Star Wars is one of your favorite movies, negative? Do like it more or less than the prequels?
What have you been doing since this thread was originally posted? Watching the movie and writing down lines you felt you could criticize?
the negative one said:
Luke: But what if this Obi-Wan comes looking for him?
Uncle Owen: He won't. I don't think he exists anymore. He died about the same time as your father.
Luke: He knew my father?
how does someone 'die' about the same time as someone else? either they died at the same time, or they didn't?
What? Are you being serious?
People can die "about the same time" in all sorts of ways. For instance, soldiers who “died” in World War II can be said to have “died about the same time” (since even a period of a few years can be “about the same time” in comparison to the 65+ years that have passed since then). I'm not sure why you'd have trouble understanding that.
the negative one said:
Governor Tarkin: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.
'their fire has gone out of the universe' ? is that supposed to be poetic?
Yes, and it's very good poetry. Why?
the negative one said:
General Tagge: What of the Rebellion? If the Rebels have obtained a complete technical reading of this station, it is possible, however unlikely, they might find a weakness and exploit it.
what is this, monty python? how much more explanation do you need?
Uhh, it’s too much explanation?
This wasn't in the movie as a way to explain anything to the audience (if that’s what you mean). It was to show how arrogant the empire was about the station's lack of vulnerabilities. Otherwise, military commanders discuss and explain strategy to each other all the time (so if that’s what you mean then you’re being dumb). Whatever you meant, there is no problem with the way this line explains anything.
The line is a bit long and goofy, if you ask me, but it's nothing so bad that I'd cringe or laugh at it. It's more than acceptable and realistic.
the negative one said:
Obi-Wan: Yes. I was once a Jedi knight, the same as your father.
Luke: I wish I'd known him.
Obi-Wan: He was the best star pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior. I understand that you've become quite a good pilot yourself.
come on obi-wan, get to the point......................why do keep changing the subject so much, just stick to one thing, why the unnecessary speculation about whether luke is a good pilot or not?
First, this exchange of dialogue is great. It makes sense, it sounds good, it’s interesting, and it's well-acted.
Otherwise, your question is absurd. Where did Obiwan change the subject in some terrible way? Everything he says seems logically connected to me. I can easily see an old man reminiscing about an old friend and then talking to his old friend's son about how he is a similarly good pilot. You can't see that?!
the negative one said:
C-3PO: And I am C-3PO, human-cyborg relations. And this is my counterpart R2D2.
no really? and we couldn't figure that out by ourselves, did you have tell us that?
Luke did not know who C-3PO or R2D2 were. I don't even think the movie mentioned their names before that point, so even the audience didn't know that. So, in your mind, what's wrong him telling "us" that?
the negative one said:
Darth Vader: Several fighters have broken off from the main group. Come with me!
[the pilots follow Vader to the hangar]
duh? do they really need to be told that enemy fighters are going to blow them up?
He didn't tell them that enemy fighters were “going to blow them up.” Where on earth did you get that from?
He tells them that some "fighters" are doing something threatening and then he orders them to come and help him stop them. It’s very simple and straightforward. It should easily make sense to you (since it makes sense to everybody else).
the negative one said:
Imperial Officer: We count 30 Rebel ships, Lord Vader, but they're so small they're avoiding our turbolasers!
Darth Vader: We'll have to destroy them ship to ship. Get the crews to their fighters.
i guess 'turbolasers' are somehow 'faster' than regular laser guns????????
Turbolasers are heavy canons designed to target capital ships. The turrets were big and therefore weren't mobile enough to hit small fightercraft. (You seriously didn't understand that? I guess movies do have to explain everything for some people. Wow.)
the negative one said:
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
gee, Han, have you really seen everything in the galaxy? why do tell Luke later on 'may the force be with you'????? who said it was a mystical energy field?
He never said he saw “everything.” Han Solo is simply a cynical guy who only believes in what he's seen. And . . . wow . . . he says "may the force be with you" later as a way to be nice to Luke (and to show that maybe he was starting to believe in the "nonsense"). (I can't believe I have to actually tell you this stuff. A two-year-old should be able to grasp it.)
the negative one said:
Han Solo: Great shot, kid, that was one in a million!
no han, it was ONLY one shot out of one......not one out of a million
Uhh . . . what?! You do understand what a statistic is . . . right?
Han Solo is using the statistic of "one in a million" as a way to exaggerate how difficult the "shot" was as he throws praise at Luke.
the negative one said:
Princess Leia: This is some rescue. When you came in here, didn't you have a plan for getting out?
no really leia, we didn't make any plans to get you out, we just came up with half a plan....duh
Actually, they didn't have a detailed plan to get her out. They were improvising as they went. And, even if they had had a plan, it obviously wasn’t working and she's a bit cranky.
the negative one said:
Han Solo: Hokey religions, and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.
well han, hokey lines and metaphors/analogies aren't really much better are they?
There's no metaphor or analogy in that line. I don't get why you're saying that there is. It’s imply a good piece of crass dialogue being well acted. It illustrates an important part of Han Solo's philosophy in life. (Great to quote.)
the negative one said:
Luke Skywalker: If there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that is farthest from.
i'm not sure, but is luke trying to channel yoda-speak here? how about, 'this planet is the farthest from the bright center of the universe'
That's not a grammatical error that puts the predicate before the subject (as Yoda would do in the PT). It's a highly poetic way to structure a statement of how far out the planet is. It stresses that the planet is out in the middle of nowhere.
the negative one said:
Darth Vader: I've been waiting for you Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete; when I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master.
Ben "Obi-Wan" Kenobi: Only a master of evil, Darth.
gee ben, i'm sure Darth vader was really insulted by that snappy come-back...............i can almost hear the rim shot after he said it..
That line wasn't meant to be “snappy.” It's actually one of the best lines in the whole movie. It shows how Ben is defiant to Darth’s evil and confident about the inevitable triumph of goodness. Star Wars was so fantastic in its time because it pitted good versus evil (like an old fashioned legend would have). I can't believe you'd actually criticize a golden line like this. (Though, it definitely shows where you must be coming from I guess.)
the negative one said:
Darth Vader: Your powers are weak, old man.
oh no really, ben is old? say it isn't so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He was obviously taunting him, slow mind. (Woops, I just called you something obvious. Better call the dialogue police!) ;)
the negative one said:
Red Six: I got a problem here.
Biggs: Eject!
Red Six: I can hold it.
Biggs: Pull up!
Red Six: No, I'm all right... ahhh!
gee, don't get too descriptive now
Well, when your life is on the line in a situation as tense and as fast as a dogfight, or the life your friend is endangered during such a situation, we'll see how much time you devote to being "descriptive." In the meantime, your criticism of this line is worthless and laughable.
the negative one said:
Stormtrooper: Close the blast doors!
[the doors shut just after Han and Chewie run through the doorway, locking the Stormtroopers out]
Stormtrooper: Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!
can't seem to make up your mind now, can you?
First, that line isn't in every audio mix of the films. Second, I like it a lot. It was written to be funny and it is.
the negative one said:
Princess Leia: The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this. When they hear you've attacked a diplomatic...
Darth Vader: Don't act so surprised, your highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
Princess Leia: I don't know what you're talking about. I am a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan...
Darth Vader: You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!
well gee Darth vader, if you already knew all that , why did you bother asking in the first place, and why don't you just use the force, and get the answers without all the drama???????????
What the hell are you talking about? You can't use the force to read complicated things in the mind of an unwilling participant. He asked her where she hid the plans and not if she had them. He obviously didn't know the former but he obviously knew the latter.
Duh? Am I missing something about your criticism here?
the negative one said:
Stormtrooper Officer: Someone *was* in the pod. The tracks go off in this direction.
Stormtrooper: [holding up a ring of metal] Look, sir: Droids.
someone? what do you mean someon? if it was a 'droid', it wasn't really a person was it? do you really have to make it that obvious? when they were sent down, they knew that no persons were on the escape pod, since there was no life readings on it? did they not get the message? and then they have to tell us that its 'droids'?????????
The first trooper doesn't know it was a droid. One statement came after the other. You can follow that, right?
This sequence is only seconds long. It's certainly not good, but it is so short and so incredibly unimportant that it is not something anyone spends their time thinking about directly. But, even then, as far as an explanatory scene goes, it's not as bad you're making it sound. Plus, the tiny scene enhances the rest of the movie by making viewers worry about the fact that the Empire will be looking for the droids. It works for what it does.
the negative one said:
Uncle Owen: Did he take those two new droids with him?
Aunt Beru: I think so.
Uncle Owen: Well, he'd better have those units in the South Ridge repaired by midday, or there'll be hell to pay.
how do you have 'hell' to pay? and where would you pay it? and what would you pay it with???????????
It's a figurative statement. In a literal sense it means that a person will have to endure being in “hell” for what they've done (like paying for your sins). Uncle Owen meant that Luke would have a punishment of some kind with that statement. (I find it very troubling that you have a hard time understanding this phrase. It’s an extremely common figure of speech.)
the negative one said:
Han Solo: Where did you dig up that old fossil?
Luke: Ben is a great man.
Han Solo: Yeah, great at getting us into trouble.
yeah, han, but you're not so great at repeating dialogue or coming up with new lines
So, you think he's neither good with repetition nor improvisation? If so, you’re contradicting yourself.
Uhh, otherwise, I don't even get why you're quoting this. The line is great and wonderfully acted. (It’s very fun to quote because it’s memorable and likable.)
the negative one said:
[approaching the Death Star]
Luke: I have a very bad feeling about this.
i have a very bad feeling we'll be hearing this line a few hundred more times in the future
Maybe Luke is in touch with his feelings and often speaks before thinking. Also, people don't ever repeat themselves where you come from?
This line isn't great, but it’s realistic, easy to overlook, and it works for the movie. (It’s also fun to quote when I’m being goofy with friends. Goofy can sometimes be endearing.)
the negative one said:
leia “Aren’t you a little short for a stormtrooper?”
no really, i passed the stormtrooper fitting, what do you think? what difference does his height make?
He was shorter than most stormtroopers.
This line's not really what I'd call a good one, but it's not laughably bad (as a lot of the stuff in the PT is) and it's certainly not important to the story in any way.
the negative one said:
Han Solo: Damn fool, I knew you were going to say that.
Obi-Wan: Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?
i don't know, who comes up with more vague lines, that don't really amount to more than platitudes?
That line is one of the best in Star Wars! Its sarcastically pious nature was why Han called him an "old fossil" right after that. Also, any potential that line had for being cheesy was eliminated by the way it was brilliantly acted by Sir Alec Guinness.
the negative one said:
C-3PO: We've stopped. Wake up! Wake up!
[R2D2 beeps]
C-3PO: We're doomed.
yes, you're doomed to repeating more lines of dialogue like this...
This line certainly isn't great, but it's not supposed to be. It's totally believable since C-3PO is established as an overly-dramatic boob from the very beginning of the movie. The reason we accept that personality is because he's a robot.
the negative one said:
Luke: I'm Luke Skywalker. I'm here to rescue you.
Princess Leia: You're who?
are you just hard of hearing? or did you miss the first part............'luke skywalker'..
Uhm . . . are you saying you wouldn't be disoriented from sitting in a prison cell for hours on end?
I find it totally believable that someone would ask that question of some guy who just barged into her cell, stared at her, and then took off a storm trooper helmet and said he was there to rescue her. Her question was not because she didn't hear him, or because she missed something, it's more combination of the fact that she doesn't recognize the name with the fact that she’s in a state of shocked disbelief.
the negative one said:
you just have to consider that things / speech / drama was a lot different back in the 70's compared to now...
Hardly. Speech hasn't changed that much in 25 years. If anything, the original Star Wars sounds better than most movies from today.
the negative one said:
don't get me wrong , i LOVE 'star wars' for all its flaws, corny dialogue, mistakes, matte lines, imperfect effects, flaws, and
everything else that adds character to it..
Well, at least you like something.
the negative one said:
pointing out random fragments of bad dialogue from the prequels is easily just as pointless....
Mocking bad dialogue from the prequels is as pointless as . . . what? As pointless as mocking lines you just singled out? As I've just shown, your mocking made no sense and was far more pointless. Epic fail.