lordjedi said:
Uh, even though I started the discussion about the box office, I don't care about box office numbers one bit. Actually, the only reason I mentioned it is because you said it was getting negative reviews all over the place and was looking to become a flop. I've read one bad review about Wall-E and that was from Kurt Loder. To bad he's a has been.
are you referring to me? name or show me 1 single instance where i said it had 'negative' reviews.....it IS A FLOP , compared to other PIXAR films,
that's my point.......
Anyway, Robots, to me, was boring as hell.
to each their own. i thought it was awesome, and so did others, enough to make an IMAX version, think that will happen to wall-e? doubt it..
As far as Wall-E goes, maybe you didn't catch the reference to HAL in Wall-E. Yeah, the robot was following orders, but with evidence to the contrary (the plant) he was unwilling to change his mind (there was no possible way for him to get another order from the President since he was dead), just like HAL. How was EVE's mission a coverup? She was sent to earth as a probe to look for any sign of life. She found the plant that Wall-E had already picked up earlier. That one plant was all that was needed for the return to Earth. The Captain didn't seem to care about returning to Earth or not until they found the plant. The plant was the signal that it was time to come home.
i did catch the reference, so what? (and yes i've watched 2001).....................i know what the movie is about, and what the plot points were,
they don't need to be rehashed.............. since HAL knew that no matter if a plant was found or not, it didn't really matter whether eve found
one or not, they weren't going to investigate it anyways.....that's why it was a coverup....
I saw the return to Earth as being a form of redemption for the humans. Instead of sitting around all day being completely attended too, they'd now develop some sense of accomplishment by being forced to do things on their own. And with the huge cleanup at hand, they'd have a much greater sense of responsibility to the planet.
Yeah, recycling was a huge, over the top point of the movie, but so what? You say robots don't have emotion, yet we saw plenty of "emotion" in Star Wars and I don't hear anybody bitching about that. The whole point of Wall-E was that a robot had developed something after years of doing the same thing every day. That robot then wanted a companion that he could share his thoughts with. Hence all the things he did for EVE even after she closed up upon finding the plant.
1) the whole wall-e (adam) and eve thing was boring, any implied emotions, were just an anthromophic behaviour that was read as 'feelings?', no it was just
another lame plot device to keep the story moving...yawn...
2) this has nothing to do with Star Wars , please keep the focus on this movie's universe....
3) the cockroach was pretty much symbolic of the REAL COMPANION for the whole movie, who actually belonged with trash, and junk, and refuse....and who does wall-e have as a friend?, yeah, a cute'n'cuddly cockroach...............i'm sure they'll be plush versions for the kids (gag).....
It's worth noting that Robots had pretty significant drops at the box office every week after it's first week too. And that was with a horror movie and then a comedy being released the first two weeks after it came out. It managed to pay for itself in 3 weeks instead of Wall-E's 4, but let's wait and see how Wall-E does in the home video market (everything got clobbered this weekend by Batman). Wall-E managed a fairly respectable $10 million weekend, considering that Batman, Hellboy II, and Space Chimps were all out (Space Chimps did worse than Wall-E and this is its opening weekend).
so Robots had a drop, but 48%? and as i keep saying, compared to other PIXAR films, which is the scope of this reference, this is extremely bad considering
the rest of the movie field......................THERE is NO WAY that dvd/home sales will make up for the rest of the revenue....
and for more fun, heres a list of just some of mistakes/errors and plot holes in wall-e
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film7360
later
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