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Hum , yeah I am looking at the prospects for use on HDTV not on my computer screen that also something to consider with my ?
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adywan said:
Octorox said:
Maybe it's not your processor, couldn't your video card have something to do with it? A lot of FX rendering could be video card intensive as well. I'm sure people worked with editing and compositing in HD on normal workstations when quad cores were relatively unheard of.
Its definately not my video card. After effects uses more of the processor and not the card and when you have got around 50 seperate layers & several compositions at a time, each using a different filter then thats where the problem begins. Don't forget i'm not rendering 3D. PLus there is hardly a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p with the HD sources anyway. 1080p isn't future proof either
4K is on the way, IMAX theaters are supposed to convert this year, STAR WARS 3D in 4K resolution maybe too bad not Adywan's version. Whith an icrease in resolution the faker somethings may look so it's a trade off. Off subject but a IMAX is about 16 minutes from my house and I already have tickets to The Dark knight dead center af the theater for 12:01 AM I am won SUPER MOVIE NERD...
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Ady:
All right. Thanks for clearing that up. But as a suggestion, couldn't you do your compositing in seperate waves? Like, for example, do all the color correcting, export it as a video, do some basic fixes, export that, do more fixes ect. So you don't have that many layers all at once. I'm sorry, I don't know much about After Effects but I've worked with video in FCP and a little in Motion.
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rlockhart said:
adywan said:
Octorox said:
Maybe it's not your processor, couldn't your video card have something to do with it? A lot of FX rendering could be video card intensive as well. I'm sure people worked with editing and compositing in HD on normal workstations when quad cores were relatively unheard of.
Its definately not my video card. After effects uses more of the processor and not the card and when you have got around 50 seperate layers & several compositions at a time, each using a different filter then thats where the problem begins. Don't forget i'm not rendering 3D. PLus there is hardly a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p with the HD sources anyway. 1080p isn't future proof either
4K is on the way, IMAX theaters are supposed to convert this year, STAR WARS 3D in 4K resolution maybe too bad not Adywan's version.
Yeah but I was just talking about home video
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Ady:
All right. Thanks for clearing that up. But as a suggestion, couldn't you do your compositing in seperate waves? Like, for example, do all the color correcting, export it as a video, do some basic fixes, export that, do more fixes ect. So you don't have that many layers all at once. I'm sorry, I don't know much about After Effects but I've worked with video in FCP and a little in Motion.
i was actually talking about all the layers i've had to do just for the colour correction. I have to do each stage needed at the same time. i can't do most things sperately. i would have no hard drive space left after just part of the colour correction if i did it that way. The PT i would probably be able to do in 1080p because there isn't as much work to be done on those, its mainly going to be editing
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Octorox said:
rlockhart said:
adywan said:
Octorox said:
Maybe it's not your processor, couldn't your video card have something to do with it? A lot of FX rendering could be video card intensive as well. I'm sure people worked with editing and compositing in HD on normal workstations when quad cores were relatively unheard of.
Its definately not my video card. After effects uses more of the processor and not the card and when you have got around 50 seperate layers & several compositions at a time, each using a different filter then thats where the problem begins. Don't forget i'm not rendering 3D. PLus there is hardly a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p with the HD sources anyway. 1080p isn't future proof either
4K is on the way, IMAX theaters are supposed to convert this year, STAR WARS 3D in 4K resolution maybe too bad not Adywan's version.
Yeah but I was just talking about home video
In the home theater market 4K will probably be what 1080p is today in about 3-4 years but my eyes wont be able to tell the differance by then. I have been saveing up for a house that I plane on haveing a dedicated theater room in projector 120-130 2.40.1 inch screen etc, but that still about 3 years away.
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Agreed re: "sith eyes" being lame...not to mention inconsistent. Why doesn't Dooku have them? Furthermore, when they do occur, they're pretty bloody inconsistent. Palpy, from his sizzlin' moment in ROTS on, seems to have the neon yellow irises all the time. (Same with Maul, unless that's just what a Zabrak's eyes always look like.) But Hayden's "evil eye" moments in ROTS seem really sporadic. He doesn't have them while slicing off Mace's arm. He doesn't have them during the naming ritual. He doesn't have them whilst marching to the Jedi temple to wreak villainy. If I'm interpreting the security holograms clearly, he doesn't even have them while chopping up small children with a lightsabre. Nor does he have them after he arrives at Mustafa and begins slicing the separatist leaders into bite-sized chunks. He's already killed most of them when suddenly the moment hits and his eyes go yellow...for all of one quick shot. After that, he's back to his normal brown, which he retains while choking his wife and trying to stab his best friend. They only come back...after he loses like a pansy and gets totally dismembered? Really? So what do sith eyes mean, really? That someone's really eeeeevil, or just a sub-par swordsman?
And congrats, Ady, on the new equipment; I hope it works out great for ya. We're all looking forward to seeing what you can do with it. :)
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Something else I dont know if it's been brought up before but can anything be done with Lukes arm the severed one, like in the scene when he is hanging from the weather vain at Cloud City his elbow is almost in his armpit and his forearm looks like a giraffes trunk. They could make a city in the clouds but not a good cut of hand.
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adywan said:
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Ady:
All right. Thanks for clearing that up. But as a suggestion, couldn't you do your compositing in seperate waves? Like, for example, do all the color correcting, export it as a video, do some basic fixes, export that, do more fixes ect. So you don't have that many layers all at once. I'm sorry, I don't know much about After Effects but I've worked with video in FCP and a little in Motion.
i was actually talking about all the layers i've had to do just for the colour correction. I have to do each stage needed at the same time. i can't do most things sperately. i would have no hard drive space left after just part of the colour correction if i did it that way. The PT i would probably be able to do in 1080p because there isn't as much work to be done on those, its mainly going to be editing
Wow! That's quite a job!
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Great to hear about the equipment, Ady. Hope it's good to you!
I've started watching MagnoliaFan's TPM edit and...I still don't get it. :p Granted, I've only seen the movie all the way through maybe twice, but I've never fully understood what was going on. Something about a Trade Federation and slavery and some moron with long ears? I dunno. I wish they had just started the movie with the Jedi council learning of a child that could participate in pod races and 'maybe he's force sensitive' and all that jazz, and they're just sending Ginn and Kenobi over there to see, and thus would begin some wacky adventures. Bah, what a mess...
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Also to echo my suggestion again about the lack of green in the surface of Dagobah as viewed from Outer Space.
Lastly I really would have liked 1080p so that the project is essentially future-proof (for a while anyway) but beggers cant be choosers
That is Hoth, not Dagobah in this still.
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Ripplin said:I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I don't understand any of the political schemes in the PT. The Trade Federation's motivation was never clear to me, the role of Dooku, any of it. I'm not dumb and am very interested in real life politics, but found the PT's political motivations and actions convoluted and vague. What I liked in magnoliafan's edit is that he tied the Federation's motive to slavery, which the movie otherwise dwelt on for no other reason than to make some kind of vague moral point (with terrible dialogue like "I am a person, and my name is Anakin"). Maybe I just didn't care to figure it out. A major problem with the PT is that it lacked coherent motivations and reasons for many developments. Padme and Anakin fell in love because he leered at her and spouted pickup lines like a desperate stalker? Hold on...I'm gonna stop yet another anti-PT rant and go out and try Anakin's method to pick up women. If it works, I will have more constructive advice for when adywan edits the PT.Great to hear about the equipment, Ady. Hope it's good to you!
I've started watching MagnoliaFan's TPM edit and...I still don't get it. :p Granted, I've only seen the movie all the way through maybe twice, but I've never fully understood what was going on. Something about a Trade Federation and slavery and some moron with long ears? I dunno. I wish they had just started the movie with the Jedi council learning of a child that could participate in pod races and 'maybe he's force sensitive' and all that jazz, and they're just sending Ginn and Kenobi over there to see, and thus would begin some wacky adventures. Bah, what a mess...
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Jor Tallen said: Maybe I just didn't care to figure it out.
That's my biggest reason for not getting it, too, I think. I could read more about the whole story until I'm blue in the eyes, but I just don't care. I will say that MagnoliaFan's edit is quite good, though. I'm enjoying it much more than I did seeing it in the theater. That's kinda sad, in a way.
Aaaaanyway, um, yes, The Empire Strikes Back. Great film.
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replying to rlockhart:
I think you can do that but you'd need a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player to actually play it
no you don't,
you can easily compress 720p, and 1080p movies, using various codecs from several avc/vc1-> avi formats on DVD9 (Dual Layer) formats ,
yes, you're sacrificing some quality, and if your dvd player supports it, it will play back at that resolution, you will have to check though............
unless you're very picky about resolution/details, and you have a huge screen, can you really tell the difference?
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rlockhart said:4K is on the way, IMAX theaters are supposed to convert this year
Oh, PLEASE tell me that's not true! IMAX footage that's edited digitally needs to be scanned in at 8k to preserve all the detail (IMAX scenes for "The Dark Knight" were scanned in at 8k, while all 35mm scenes were done in 4k) - if IMAX, a format that touts itself as being the highest resolution currently possible, trumping even all them newfangled "digital formats" (which it is and does) converts to *4k* digital projection, it'll be completely pointless beyond being something projected on a giant screen, which you can get anyway if you go to a movie theater and sit in the 4th or 5th row (I saw WALL-E that way and I didn't have to strain my neck, but still could see nothing but movie :-D).
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Jor Tallen said:
Ripplin said:
Great to hear about the equipment, Ady. Hope it's good to you!
I've started watching MagnoliaFan's TPM edit and...I still don't get it. :p Granted, I've only seen the movie all the way through maybe twice, but I've never fully understood what was going on. Something about a Trade Federation and slavery and some moron with long ears? I dunno. I wish they had just started the movie with the Jedi council learning of a child that could participate in pod races and 'maybe he's force sensitive' and all that jazz, and they're just sending Ginn and Kenobi over there to see, and thus would begin some wacky adventures. Bah, what a mess...
I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I don't understand any of the political schemes in the PT. The Trade Federation's motivation was never clear to me, the role of Dooku, any of it. I'm not dumb and am very interested in real life politics, but found the PT's political motivations and actions convoluted and vague. What I liked in magnoliafan's edit is that he tied the Federation's motive to slavery, which the movie otherwise dwelt on for no other reason than to make some kind of vague moral point (with terrible dialogue like "I am a person, and my name is Anakin"). Maybe I just didn't care to figure it out. A major problem with the PT is that it lacked coherent motivations and reasons for many developments. Padme and Anakin fell in love because he leered at her and spouted pickup lines like a desperate stalker? Hold on...I'm gonna stop yet another anti-PT rant and go out and try Anakin's method to pick up women. If it works, I will have more constructive advice for when adywan edits the PT.
I know you don't care Jor Tallen, but if you go to StarWars.com, there is all of this new information explaining what Dooku was doing and why, what the Clone Wars were all about, etc., etc. I generally felt a bit confused about all of the politics and reasons for stuff too, but with all of the new Clone Wars stuff at SW.com, they have added all kinds history and info that I never knew, clearing up a lot of the confusion, really cool, you should check it out. Ya....back to Empire.....peace....
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gavin77 said:I didn't say I don't care, but the movie was so obtuse in those areas that my mind didn't care to try to sort it out. If as you say, knowing history not shown in the movies clarifies things, then it's good I didn't waste energy trying to make sense of the movies alone....which is the problem that hopefully adywan can fix. But I will check it out, since I am largely ignorant of EU stories and the like. Back to the Empire!Jor Tallen said:
Ripplin said:
Great to hear about the equipment, Ady. Hope it's good to you!
I've started watching MagnoliaFan's TPM edit and...I still don't get it. :p Granted, I've only seen the movie all the way through maybe twice, but I've never fully understood what was going on. Something about a Trade Federation and slavery and some moron with long ears? I dunno. I wish they had just started the movie with the Jedi council learning of a child that could participate in pod races and 'maybe he's force sensitive' and all that jazz, and they're just sending Ginn and Kenobi over there to see, and thus would begin some wacky adventures. Bah, what a mess...
I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I don't understand any of the political schemes in the PT. The Trade Federation's motivation was never clear to me, the role of Dooku, any of it. I'm not dumb and am very interested in real life politics, but found the PT's political motivations and actions convoluted and vague. What I liked in magnoliafan's edit is that he tied the Federation's motive to slavery, which the movie otherwise dwelt on for no other reason than to make some kind of vague moral point (with terrible dialogue like "I am a person, and my name is Anakin"). Maybe I just didn't care to figure it out. A major problem with the PT is that it lacked coherent motivations and reasons for many developments. Padme and Anakin fell in love because he leered at her and spouted pickup lines like a desperate stalker? Hold on...I'm gonna stop yet another anti-PT rant and go out and try Anakin's method to pick up women. If it works, I will have more constructive advice for when adywan edits the PT.
I know you don't care Jor Tallen, but if you go to StarWars.com, there is all of this new information explaining what Dooku was doing and why, what the Clone Wars were all about, etc., etc. I generally felt a bit confused about all of the politics and reasons for stuff too, but with all of the new Clone Wars stuff at SW.com, they have added all kinds history and info that I never knew, clearing up a lot of the confusion, really cool, you should check it out. Ya....back to Empire.....peace....
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I know you don't care Jor Tallen, but if you go to StarWars.com, there is all of this new information explaining what Dooku was doing and why, what the Clone Wars were all about, etc., etc. I generally felt a bit confused about all of the politics and reasons for stuff too, but with all of the new Clone Wars stuff at SW.com, they have added all kinds history and info that I never knew, clearing up a lot of the confusion, really cool, you should check it out. Ya....back to Empire.....peace....
you see that's one of the big problems with the PT. Most of it made no sense whatsoever. When you watch a movie you shouldn't have to wait until a website puts extra information to explain things, it should be all there in the movie. The casual viewer wouldn't be heading to a website so they can understand it. Did anyone have that problem with the OT? No. I haven't been able to watch TPM for years now. The last time was the day it came out on DVD. That was the only Star Wars movie ever that i almost fell asleep while watching it on its opening day. I left the cinema feeling numb and wondering what the hell it was all about. It was all just fancy backdrops and FX. The whole battle at the end was pathetic. "oh dear my ship has been hit and i'm not even supposed to be here. Damn autopilot. i like spinning. oh no, now i have been hit and my ship just happened to fly inside this control ship. Oh no, now i have pressed the wrong button and blew up the ship. I've saved the day. yipeee".... YUK. So much for being a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him
quad core should be here in a couple of hours :)
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ChainsawAsh said:
if IMAX, a format that touts itself as being the highest resolution currently possible, trumping even all them newfangled "digital formats" (which it is and does) converts to *4k* digital projection, it'll be completely pointless beyond being something projected on a giant screen, which you can get anyway if you go to a movie theater and sit in the 4th or 5th row (I saw WALL-E that way and I didn't have to strain my neck, but still could see nothing but movie :-D).
Yeah, at some point, you're gonna have to be quite a distance from the screen to be able to tell what's going on in the first place.
Hey, have you heard of NHK's ultra hi-def? (http://broadcastengineering.com/hdtv/nhk-public-testing-ultra-hd/) Pretty interesting. I first saw it on a science program called Daily Planet a while back.
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adywan said:
gavin77 said:
I know you don't care Jor Tallen, but if you go to StarWars.com, there is all of this new information explaining what Dooku was doing and why, what the Clone Wars were all about, etc., etc. I generally felt a bit confused about all of the politics and reasons for stuff too, but with all of the new Clone Wars stuff at SW.com, they have added all kinds history and info that I never knew, clearing up a lot of the confusion, really cool, you should check it out. Ya....back to Empire.....peace....
you see that's one of the big problems with the PT. Most of it made no sense whatsoever. When you watch a movie you shouldn't have to wait until a website puts extra information to explain things, it should be all there in the movie. The casual viewer wouldn't be heading to a website so they can understand it. Did anyone have that problem with the OT? No. I haven't been able to watch TPM for years now. The last time was the day it came out on DVD. That was the only Star Wars movie ever that i almost fell asleep while watching it on its opening day. I left the cinema feeling numb and wondering what the hell it was all about. It was all just fancy backdrops and FX. The whole battle at the end was pathetic. "oh dear my ship has been hit and i'm not even supposed to be here. Damn autopilot. i like spinning. oh no, now i have been hit and my ship just happened to fly inside this control ship. Oh no, now i have pressed the wrong button and blew up the ship. I've saved the day. yipeee".... YUK. So much for being a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him
quad core should be here in a couple of hours :)
Anakin was a great pilot when Kenobi first knew him. If you were Kenobi and knew Anakin had won a podrace for their hyperdrive (by piloting a pod, something no human had been able to do successfully) and had destroyed the droid control ship, wouldn't you think he was already a great pilot?
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gavin77 said:
I know you don't care Jor Tallen, but if you go to StarWars.com, there is all of this new information explaining what Dooku was doing and why, what the Clone Wars were all about, etc., etc. I generally felt a bit confused about all of the politics and reasons for stuff too, but with all of the new Clone Wars stuff at SW.com, they have added all kinds history and info that I never knew, clearing up a lot of the confusion, really cool, you should check it out. Ya....back to Empire.....peace....
you see that's one of the big problems with the PT. Most of it made no sense whatsoever. When you watch a movie you shouldn't have to wait until a website puts extra information to explain things, it should be all there in the movie. The casual viewer wouldn't be heading to a website so they can understand it. Did anyone have that problem with the OT? No. I haven't been able to watch TPM for years now. The last time was the day it came out on DVD. That was the only Star Wars movie ever that i almost fell asleep while watching it on its opening day. I left the cinema feeling numb and wondering what the hell it was all about. It was all just fancy backdrops and FX. The whole battle at the end was pathetic. "oh dear my ship has been hit and i'm not even supposed to be here. Damn autopilot. i like spinning. oh no, now i have been hit and my ship just happened to fly inside this control ship. Oh no, now i have pressed the wrong button and blew up the ship. I've saved the day. yipeee".... YUK. So much for being a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him
quad core should be here in a couple of hours :)
Anakin was a great pilot when Kenobi first knew him. If you were Kenobi and knew Anakin had won a podrace for their hyperdrive (by piloting a pod, something no human had been able to do successfully) and had destroyed the droid control ship, wouldn't you think he was already a great pilot?
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i guess you didn't read what i wrote. How the hell was he a great pilot. Everything he did in the Naboo starfighter was an accident. he was a bungling fool that didn't know what the hell he was doing. All he did was do a fancy spin and then get hit by and disabled. yeh, great pilot. Now if he had deliberately piloted the ship into battle and fought the enemy the destroyed the control ship on purpose then it would have gone some way to say he was a great pilot. And wasn't the pod race supposed to be an intergalactic speedway race? so wouldn't that make him a driver and not a pilot?
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Adywan will all the previous work on ESB be in 720p ? a better way to putting it will all of ESB be 720p quality. One more thing why not 1080p is it because of the source material ?
I will be starting from scratch so everything will be in 720p. All the project files ahve been saved so its just a matter of dropping in the 720p source foir the colour correction first pass. shouldn't take me too long to catch up with what i ahve done already. 1080p is impossible to work with on a project like this due to all the colour correction and FX work i will be doing. Even a quad core can't cope with all the work being done. it just crawls or grinds to a hault
I'm not sure what your video editing program is (you told me once, and I forgot. Vegas?). Anyway, when I did Batman: Year One in 1080p, I did it with Adobe Premiere Pro. As long as your video editing program has multiple video tracks, this will work. I put the 1080p version on video track one, then above it, on video track two, I put a 480p version of the same film, frame accurate to the HD version. I then set video track one to be invisible, and just made sure that every change I made to my visible 480p footage, was also done to the 1080p version. Basically, every edit you make is made twice, then when it was time to encode, I set video track one to be visible, and video track two to be invisible. It still slows things down excessively, but only during the final encoding stage. I'm not sure if this information may be helpful to you, or how stressful, if implemented, it would make editing with all the color correction/fx layering you do (which I would imagine takes up more than two video tracks). But I thought you might find a way to temper the method to make 1080p editing work for you.
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adywan said:
rlockhart said:
Adywan will all the previous work on ESB be in 720p ? a better way to putting it will all of ESB be 720p quality. One more thing why not 1080p is it because of the source material ?
I will be starting from scratch so everything will be in 720p. All the project files ahve been saved so its just a matter of dropping in the 720p source foir the colour correction first pass. shouldn't take me too long to catch up with what i ahve done already. 1080p is impossible to work with on a project like this due to all the colour correction and FX work i will be doing. Even a quad core can't cope with all the work being done. it just crawls or grinds to a hault
I'm not sure what your video editing program is (you told me once, and I forgot. Vegas?). Anyway, when I did Batman: Year One in 1080p, I did it with Adobe Premiere Pro. As long as your video editing program has multiple video tracks, this will work. I put the 1080p version on video track one, then above it, on video track two, I put a 480p version of the same film, frame accurate to the HD version. I then set video track one to be invisible, and just made sure that every change I made to my visible 480p footage, was also done to the 1080p version. Basically, every edit you make is made twice, then when it was time to encode, I set video track one to be visible, and video track two to be invisible. It still slows things down excessively, but only during the final encoding stage. I'm not sure if this information may be helpful to you, or how stressful, if implemented, it would make editing with all the color correction/fx layering you do (which I would imagine takes up more than two video tracks). But I thought you might find a way to temper the method to make 1080p editing work for you.
yeh doing an edit that way is no problem at all. It doesn't matter how many tracks you have because when it comes to encoding its only rendering one track complete track. When i'm doing the FX work or the colour layers then every visible track is being rendered at the same time (due to all the layer masks & elements) which can be around 30 tracks or more and most of the time each track has different effects filters added to them. this is when it grinds to a halt. 1080p for a project like this is out of the question without some serious hardware