Sorry to hear this. I guess the Ranch will not have its Revenge after all :(
InfoDroid and TJdavis, good luck in your future projects.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
InfoDroid said:
We all have to accept that we're living in a post-Adywan world now. Meaning that it's extremely hard anymore to impress anyone with a Star Wars edit. Ady was the 9/11 of fanediting. I mean that in a good way, Ady. ;) There was the world of fanediting on this board before Revisited, and then the world after. And rightfully so!
Now i'm really depressed. Please don't say I'm the bringer of death to the fan edit :(
anyway, best of luck for the future guys
Not a bringer of death, Ady! But definitely a milestone that will take the rest of us a while to catch up to. Not unlike what the original Star Wars did to the 70's film industry.
This is too bad. But I completely understand. Please check your PMs.
TM
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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition
I wish this was April 1st...
Very sad news indeed. Maybe the responses weren't exactly overwhelming like they were with Revisited, but there was definitely a strong fanbase for these edits. As others have said, this was one of the more interesting ideas we've ever heard of for Star Wars edits. I hope something can still be done with these. Maybe ADigitalMan can do something... He knows the score.
Anyway, thanks and I wish you guys all the best.
If this is indeed the end of the line I think I'd satisfied with insight into what you actually had planned, Maybe some preview videos if possible. After all it is curiosity that got me interested in the project.
THIS WAS THE EDIT THAT I WAS MUST LOOKING FORWARD TO ALONG WITH THE CLONE WARS. I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY A GENIUS IDEA.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when I first saw the trailer for this idea I was really excited. I really really wanted to see these. You talk about being in a post ady-wan world but I dont think his brilliant ANH treatment has that much impact on your Reborn idea. Nothing short of genius...please dont give this up!!
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maybe if we band together and make a REBORN tribute it will inspire ID and TJ to restart the project?
would anyone be interested in dividing the movie up and each person does a section each, no matter how bad/good it turns out?
we can base it purely on the order of scenes they planned, in easily digestable low resolution that our mortal computers can just about handle!
we can call it STAR WARS REBORN: a new hope......
ben_danger said:
maybe if we band together and make a REBORN tribute it will inspire ID and TJ to restart the project?
would anyone be interested in dividing the movie up and each person does a section each, no matter how bad/good it turns out?
we can base it purely on the order of scenes they planned, in easily digestable low resolution that our mortal computers can just about handle!
we can call it STAR WARS REBORN: a new hope......
If you want to perform CPR on this project, have a go at separating the dialog tracks from the prequels. If you can find a method with professional results, this project will have a pulse.
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its impossible for me to do anything a well as the other guys. just thought it would be funny if a group of us had an attempt at making a really bad version.
i think troopermans dubbing was the only way, well either that or breaking into the ranch.
If you want to perform CPR on this project, have a go at separating the dialog tracks from the prequels. If you can find a method with professional results, this project will have a pulse.
That's one of the most, "Nail on the head" statements I've seen in a long time. We really thought we had a handle on it this time. ID had absolutely fantastic music laid over parts of AOTC that really gave it a desperate, dark, foreboding feel. He had recut the discussion in Palps office at the beginning of aotc which led into the balcony scene of Anakin and Obi-Wan, to Padme's bedroom then tied it perfectly into the speeder chase sequence. We threw away every channel except for the dialogue track of course in all of these scenes. I laid in sound effects, ambience, room tone, etc, etc but nothing could be done about the music still in the center channel. We thought we could mask it somehow. We obviously were very wrong. This more than anything truly killed the project. When we realized we could not change AOTC enough to somewhat fit into ANH it became impossible to edit the two together.
ben_danger said:
its impossible for me to do anything a well as the other guys. just thought it would be funny if a group of us had an attempt at making a really bad version.
i think troopermans dubbing was the only way, well either that or breaking into the ranch.
SO, WE SHOULD REALLY CALL IT STAR WARS: REBORN SWEDED EDITION.
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I loved the idea of this project but I think the problems you have lie in the restrictions you made for yourselves.
Look at The Godfather Parts I and II.
The structure of Part II only works because of the straight linear narrative of Part I.
So really could leave Adywan's ANH as your part one (with perhaps a few alterations here and there).
Then heavily cut TPM and AOTC to parallel the Sith hunting Anakin and the fear of loss aspects to parallel Luke's story in ESB and the Anakin/Padme love story trimmed heavily to parallel Leia and Han's, Boba's and Jengo's stories would hint at the revelation to come (the son follows the father) and the disarming of Anakin and the unhanding of Luke would serve as the final clue. There's your part two.
The prequel aspects of The Godfather Part II cover Vito from childhood to adulthood and we don't see Luke's childhood so it makes sense to show Anakin's life in the same way.
You already have stated that ROTS and ROTJ fit quite naturally.
So in short I'd leave ANH (though I'd put Boba back into Adywan's ANH to serve as pay off to your next part) and mix selected sections of TPM and AOTC into ESB (minus some of Luke's training) for part 2 and merge ROTS with ROTJ to form your part 3.
That way you don't have to squeeze AOTC in ANH but fit it where it fits best (with a bit of TPM) in with ESB.
I hope you are inspired to return to Reborn as it's an exciting idea and a great way of maintaining the surprises of the original saga while fleshing it out with the best of what the prequels have to offer (while removing the worst excesses).
Best of luck.
I loved the idea of this project but I think the problems you have lie in the restrictions you made for yourselves.
Look at The Godfather Parts I and II.
The structure of Part II only works because of the straight linear narrative of Part I.
So really could leave Adywan's ANH as your part one (with perhaps a few alterations here and there).
Then heavily cut TPM and AOTC to parallel the Sith hunting Anakin and the fear of loss aspects to parallel Luke's story in ESB and the Anakin/Padme love story trimmed heavily to parallel Leia and Han's, Boba's and Jengo's stories would hint at the revelation to come (the son follows the father) and the disarming of Anakin and the unhanding of Luke would serve as the final clue. There's your part two.
The prequel aspects of The Godfather Part II cover Vito from childhood to adulthood and we don't see Luke's childhood so it makes sense to show Anakin's life in the same way.
You already have stated that ROTS and ROTJ fit quite naturally.
So in short I'd leave ANH (though I'd put Boba back into Adywan's ANH to serve as pay off to your next part) and mix selected sections of TPM and AOTC into ESB (minus some of Luke's training) for part 2 and merge ROTS with ROTJ to form your part 3.
That way you don't have to squeeze AOTC in ANH but fit it where it fits best (with a bit of TPM) in with ESB.
I hope you are inspired to return to Reborn as it's an exciting idea and a great way of maintaining the surprises of the original saga while fleshing it out with the best of what the prequels have to offer (while removing the worst excesses).
Best of luck.
Sorry but somehow I managed to repeat my post but I guess if somethings worth saying, saying it twice can't hurt.
I fell asleep in The Godfather and haven't seen Part II, but I think Bingowings' idea has a lot of merit. I'm still very very interested to see what ideas ID and TJ had but hadn't mentioned, if you're still watching this thread — any chance of you releasing some of that info?
I had posted this on Fanedit.org, but here it is for anyone else who's interested in what we were planning:
Jorge (killbillme) emailed me recently about the possibility of him attempting a Reborn-style edit...he asked about the ideas we had and structure we were attempting with this project...
My response to him turned out to be a fairly good overview of what our intentions were for this edit, and since many others have PM'd me with similar requests, I thought it might be appropriate to just post my response on the forum here for whoever else had a passing interest in what we were trying to do and may want to take a shot at doing something similar themselves at some point.
My message to him was as follows:
"We were inspired heavily by the structure of the Godfather Part II, as you know...so watching it again is a good starting point. Aside from that, our approach was to find the "thematic rhymes" between Luke's story and Anakin's story and match them up into what I like to call "pillar sequences" where the two time periods intersect or seem to be happening simultaneously. We called them pillars because by placing them at pivotal points, they sort of hold the rest of the story up. For instance, Luke's discovery of Owen and Beru's murder being intercut with Anakin's discovery of his mother at the Tusken camp...or the "Belly of the Beast" sequence, where we have our heroes trapped in the corridors of the Death Star and our heroes trapped in the Geonosian arena...once you know where the pillars are lined up, then you know everything that you need to show between those points in both storylines.
I hope that makes sense to you. Trying to effectively use words to describe a concept that lives totally in an audio/visual realm is extremely difficult.
The two characters that act as the main connective tissue between the two storylines are Artoo and Obi-Wan. We also set out to tell the story so that the secret of Anakin = Vader isn't apparent until he reveals it to Luke on Bespin. Vader's true identity wouldn't be revealed for certain until the very first scene of ROTJ.
Our design was to begin with a short, 5-minute teaser at the start of each of the three episodes. For the first episode, the teaser would be a prologue (featuring the events of Episode I, boiling it down to "what would a person who has never seen Star Wars before really need to know in the first five minutes?") We began with the final lightsaber battle in Episode I, strung all of those sequences together without interruption, which turned out beautifully to see it all as one piece. After Obi-Wan cuts down Maul and Qui-Gon dies, we moved back in time to the events leading up to that important moment. We took narration by Ian McDiarmid from the "Musical Journey" DVD which gave it a great "storybook" feel and took it all the way through a very brief and truncated version of TPM until Qui-Gon's funeral...resting on the shot of Palps at the pyre...fading out...then blasting to the Star Wars logo and crawl. There was a lot of debate about whether or not to even include a crawl...we went back and forth, but ultimately decided to keep the crawl in tact.
The first twenty minutes or so of ANH proceeded as normal up to Luke at the sunset scene....then, being very careful with the music, we fade to coruscant cityscape - night...a subtitle reads "22 YEARS EARLIER"...moving exterior shot of Padme's apartment (taken from ROTS) and we start Anakin's story with the scene of him and Obi-Wan on the balcony. We had completely redone the Zam chase with new music, sound effects and everything else. We also had redone the nightclub. Added music, a Bith/Rodian band, and established that Jango was waiting inside the club...he makes a quick escape when Obi-Wan slices Zam's arm off. It's also important to note that as the story continues, instead of cutting back and forth from Anakin/Padme to Obi-Wan's story...we cut all of the Obi-Wan Kamino mystery storyline and focused entirely on Anakin/Padme for this first half.
There was a scene added that actually (stylistically) depicted them making love after their (now full) kiss on the Naboo lakeside, which I thought was important to show to strengthen the bond between them and make it a much more serious relationship from the get-go. We used a sequence with Hayden from the movie Factory Girl (heavily tweaked) to accomplish that goal. That sequence ends with "We could keep it a secret..." to "You're right...it would destroy us..." Then we fade to Uncle Owen looking for Luke in the courtyard. ANH would continue as normal up to Obi-Wan telling Luke "You must do what you feel is right, of course..."
That leads us into a new nightmare sequence that begins with Anakin flashing back to his first meeting with the Jedi Council in Episode I. Yoda warning him his fear of losing his mother might prove to be dangerous. Weird shots of Shmi, Tusken Raiders, off-kilter audio, etc. Anakin and Padme decide to go rescue her the next morning. And we follow through as normal (with certain cuts) from there up to the major crescendo story pillar of the first half, which is the Owen/Beru/Shmi death scene...we ended the first half with Shmi's funeral and reversed the shot panning down and placed it at the end so it would pan up into the sky as the last shot of the first half. Dramatic rendition of the Force Theme...and "Intermission" would appear at this point.
The second half (on the next disc) started with Obi-Wan and Luke atop the mountain overlooking Mos Eisley spaceport...and you can pretty much visualize how it continued from there. Obi-Wan's Kamino mystery storyline is edited together into a single, flowing storyline and it just continues...culminating in a grand finale at the end where the two storylines intersect...Luke's success (at the Death Star) mirroring and contrasting Anakin's failure (at the hands of Count Dooku). Two paths. One destiny.
ESB was going to open with the ROTS opening space battle and the duel with Dooku as the teaser. Of course we planned to edit out all the garbage and truncate it to a tight 5-minute opening...no ship crashing or any of that. I think it ended with "His fate will be the same as ours"...tension builds up musically and then blast to the Empire crawl.
The trailer gives you an excellent idea of exactly where we were headed with this film...the storylines we wanted to connect and so forth...
At the end, Luke communicates telepathically with Vader from the Falcon, intercut with Padme and Anakin "reaching out" to each other on Coruscant through the windows..."Padme's Ruminations" and then, of course, the classic ESB ending.
By the time you get to Jedi, it's a no-brainer. Jedi was to pick up right where we left off with Anakin & Padme staring out their separate windows...leading right into Mace confronting Palpatine at his office and the ensuing lightsaber duel followed by the "knighting" of Anakin as Vader as the 5-minute teaser. "You will be known as Darth...Vader." "Yes, My Master." Tension builds musically...blast to the Jedi crawl.
Now we know beyond the shadow of a doubt that Anakin IS indeed Vader. The Dark Lord wasn't lying on Bespin. So, now we see him as none other than Darth Vader 20 years later arriving at the 2nd Death Star.
There were so many other little intricacies we were aiming for throughout, but that's all the detail I'll go into for now...but if you have any questions, please let me know. This is how WE were going to do it. It's by no means the ONLY way to do it. And maybe not even the best way. That's for you to decide. I tried it...gave it my best shot...couldn't make it work without a clean, music-free audio track. I was really trying to make the Prequels better than they can be...that's what killed it, I think. I wanted to change too much.
Aw, well...my hat's off to you if you can pull it off. It'll be a lot more fun watching it than it will be making it...that's for sure...so I wish you the best of luck and truly hope you succeed."
--ID
Very, very interesting post, InfoDroid. Thanks for sharing that. I'm going to have to check out whatever Reborn info there is at FE.org as well.
P.S. Jorge, I'm a fan of your work, so I know I'd like to see you attempt it! ;)
Infodroid, what a fascinating concept. I'm sorry you and TJdavis won't be finishing it. But it sounds like a lot of work was done on it, even if it doesn't feel that way to you. Any chance you have any clips (other than the Coruscant chase clip) that you could share with us, even if they are a little rough?
Did you guys ever look into the mashups at the official Star Wars site? I've never checked them out myself, but I've heard it mentioned that they may have some music-free dialog available.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Whoa. Thats rather good ID. Ive not read that before. The idea works in concept if not in practice.
Man, reading all of that makes me want to see it even more... too bad you aren't going to finish it :(
I'd like to second Eric's request for clips: you guys must've put a lot of time in this, so it'd be a waste if you let all of that work go to waste
eg. I remember seeing an unfinished (?) recut of the Mace vs Sidioud fight, which was absolutely amazing. Did you ever finish it and did you add the War of the Worlds music? If so I'd love to see the result :-)
If you want clips, you'd have to ask TJDavis if he still has any of it on his hard-drive. I deleted everything on mine to make room for other projects.
When I'm done with something, I'm done. LOL...That's just how I am. We'd stopped and started so many times I just wanted to send a clear message (to myself primarily) that I was indeed over this project once and for all, lest the tendrils of curiosity pulled me toward starting up again...
Like I told TJ, if I have to spend one more moment watching Yoda on my Vegas preview window, I will seriously run from the room screaming. ;) But, I love Star Wars. I just need to learn to love it again by spending some time away from it.
--ID
I've gotten several pm's in the last few weeks about the project so I'm going to reply in the thread for all to read.
ben_danger:
I'll check in the next few days and see if I still have the Prolouge.
Unfortunately we never did decide on how to do the transitions. What little we did talk about it, it was obvious we had very different opinions so we just left it at that.
I'm almost positive that I don't have the "Infodroid Approved -- Love Scene" :) Once again I'll check and see.
I do have some things that I don't believe anyone outside of ID and I have seen. I'll see if those are renderable and let everyone know in a few days.
I wouldn't mind being available for advice or "discussing" the project.
I believe I answered all of Beatho's questions as well.
thanks TJ, all of that would be awesome!:)
