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ImperialFighter said:

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When Luke does into the cave and see's Darth Vader, you hear his Lightsaber activate off screen. Next shot is Luke holding his lightsaber at the bottom of the screen, when he slowly starts to raise it, we see the blade color 'pop' on instead of already being on


seven - Never actually noticed that one in the past if it's right. That's one of the sort of subtle touches that doesn't really matter if it's done or not, but really nice if it is kind of thing that would be good to see after years of rewatches. :)


Having now had a chance to check this one out, and study it a little, the shot seems okay to me. 'Freeze-framing' both the SE and GOUT versions at this point revealed that there has been some work done to the SE release here, compared to the GOUT release. Luke's Lightsaber blade has been changed, and a subtle glowing 'aura' is now evident when we first see it now. However, rather than the Lightsaber and it's glowing 'aura' suddenly 'popping on', I think it's just how it looks as it first appears in the frame, and is correct. Just offering another point of view on that one seven.



You have some nice ideas there by the way GoodMusician, especially on the score aspect of things (and I REALLY like that 'wisp of cloud swirling around as the Millennium Falcon turns through the clouds back to get Luke', Adywan), and it's great to generally see that some folks like yourself and others here, seem to be afflicted with the same 'curse' for 'continuity details' as myself, LOL!

topdawg193 - Your idea for some subtle graphics in those shots is neat.

RoccondilRinon - Nice call on the shadows there.

GoodMusician - Agreed about the shot at top being the far better one. I never would have spotted that in a million years, lol.

Ady - The bottom screengrab shows what I meant the other day about the 'little' Chewbacca being quite high up out of his snowcrater, and with his arms very close to his sides, compared to the immediate previous 'close-up' shot of him lower down, and with his arms outstretched at the sides.
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I also did a rough cut of what I meant by re-editing the cloud city scenes with Chewie looking for 3P0...

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I'm totally against removing the balcony. In fact, I'm totally against removing most of the cloud city additions. Unlike the wampa additions, I think that most of these were great. Just because they were in the special edition doesn't mean that it was bad or even unnecessary. I never liked the claustrophobic feel of cloud city. To me, it always seemed like a compromise of film making for the time. In 97', I went "Ah Ha! They finally fixed that!" when I saw it on screen. We can't be such purists since this series of fan edits are altering the original in a ton of different ways, not just fixing errors.

And by the by, I was thinking last night about whether or not Ady would indeed do his edit for the entire saga and it got me thinking about what that thread would be like for The Phantom Menace. I've noticed that we're all pretty civilized here but that conversation would be a bloodbath I think. I don't even want to think of the JarJar conversations or the debate over midicholorians. I've read some of the other threads that I was not involved in for other edits and those got pretty nasty at times. Since his edits are merely trying to "fix" the saga without necessarily "changing" them like all the other TPM edits, it makes me wonder what road that edit will go down. With Empire, we're pretty much all nice people here and we treat Ady with kid gloves because our fandom is hoping he can pull off the same magic he did again and we're all afraid of something bad happening (don't worry, I have faith but shit happens sometimes). But we're all talking about the "Best" movie in the series, what happens when we talk about the "worst"?

Of course, anything done to TPM will be an improvement. I've seen a couple of the edits but really, all those do is cut stuff and maybe add poorly done alien languages over Jar Jar and the Nemoidians. I can cut a movie and I'm a total amateur. I don't want a new cut, I want the movie to be "fixed". Don't ask what that means. You either know what I mean or you don't.

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Darth Stewie said:

I'm totally against removing the balcony. In fact, I'm totally against removing most of the cloud city additions.


I agree, but with the proviso that Ady can fix the reflections. If not, I'd rather see it reverted to something that's at least physically possible. As for the rest, I'm glad that he seems to be keeping most of the cloud city additions, even inserting the glass lift and window where it wasn't before.

As for the TPM edit, I'm not sure how drastic Adywan is intending to be, but I have every faith in him. He may only want to clean up and change the bare minimum, or he may want to create a more radical edit (I really liked many of MagnoliaFan's dialogue and plot changes, even though the dubbing itself wasn't perfect). We'll see when the time comes. There will be many arguments I'm sure (there's a grain of sand on Jar Jar's foot that always bothered me), but Ady will have final veto on any suggestions and (as applies to every edit) if people don't like things they can always make their own version.

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only a quickie here cuz i'm busy getting stuff ready for my daughters prom. I'll try to answer a few more things tomorrow when i've had a better chance to read everything

That probe shot has already been fixed. i've lowered chewie down in the long shot, changed the blast hit so it hits closer to chewie and changed the foreground to match the better previous shot. (will post a clip tomorrow)

that cloud city shot i will be keeping but the reflections need to be fixed somehow. that shot i will probably be adding some TIEs chasing and shooting down some escaping ships so i wanted to keep that shot as open as possible.

The music as Han is lowered into the carbon chamber does have a horrible cut now. i can remember that the music never stopped there before the SE so i will be reinserting the original cue. But i probably won't be changing any other music in the movie (apart from the end credits) but i may just do some small tweaking.

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Darth Stewie - Why wait for Jar Jar? The fun will begin with Boba in 'Jedi'.... lol. ;)

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GoodMusician, can you check your PMs when you get a chance.


Adywan, glad I caught your update there, before I shoot off for today. That's great that you've amended the 'little' Chewie getting shot at....but as far as having TIEs shooting at escaping ships in the distance during the 'balcony' shot, well that's just INSPIRED!


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adywan said:


But i probably won't be changing any other music in the movie (apart from the end credits) but i may just do some small tweaking.


Are you planning on a full tear down and rebuilding of the 5.1 like you did in epIV?

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adywan said:

i will probably be adding some TIEs chasing and shooting down some escaping ships

No offense, but, um...why? Cuz they're bored? ;) We know the Imperials are jerks, but still. I mean, Vader and the rest of his pals are there to get Skywalker. This just sounds like bullseyeing womprats, y'know? I'd love to hear your reasoning for this (I figure there's something to this decision I'm missing), because my gut reaction at the moment is that it's just something you want to do because it can be done. I think it would be just as good to simply show a bunch of ships flying away from Cloud City to make the scene more lively/urgent, but not being destroyed.

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This is Lando Calrissian. The Empire has taken control of the city. I suggest everyone leave before more Imperial troops arrive.


TIEs shooting down escaping ships are the "more Imperial troops arriving".

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Or maybe he noticed that it's the beginning and more is to come. Why leave people to die or become prisoners? Remember his character arc...similar to Han's...learns to care about others where before he was just covering his own ass.

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RoccondilRinon said:

The shot in question is before Lando makes that announcement. Of course, he may simply not have noticed that it's too late.


oops, my mistake. its not that shot is one later just as they get to the Falcons docking bay that i may be adding the TIEs
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Are you planning on a full tear down and rebuilding of the 5.1 like you did in epIV?

not as extensive as ANH:R. the mix is a lot better in ESB but it does need work doing to it

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How about some ships going by faster, with "SOME, A FEW" Ties in the background going by!

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I vote for the open balcony shot being removed. It just always seemed like a little too much. A hallway with windows, I can buy. But a hallway that's totally open on one side, meh. And is it me, or is the railing REAL low? (Like, not effective at keeping you from falling off at all. This isn't the Death Star here.)

I'm also not a big fan of the shots where everyone is starding around in hallways and outside listening to Lando's announcement. Those feel very "pasted in" to me.

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Ripplin said:

adywan said:

i will probably be adding some TIEs chasing and shooting down some escaping ships

No offense, but, um...why? Cuz they're bored? ;) We know the Imperials are jerks, but still. I mean, Vader and the rest of his pals are there to get Skywalker. This just sounds like bullseyeing womprats, y'know? I'd love to hear your reasoning for this (I figure there's something to this decision I'm missing), because my gut reaction at the moment is that it's just something you want to do because it can be done. I think it would be just as good to simply show a bunch of ships flying away from Cloud City to make the scene more lively/urgent, but not being destroyed.

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oops, my mistake. its not that shot is one later just as they get to the Falcons docking bay that i may be adding the TIEs

Not sure which scene you're referring to in that last post, Ady, but I'd have to agree with Ripplin... having TIEs flying around is good, but shooting down civilian craft doesn't seem to be their M.O. here. I think with more Imperial forces arriving at Bespin that the city would simply be placed under tight Imperial control, not that the population would get massacred.

... then again, the Empire did blow up Alderaan just to flex its muscles...

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Vader isn't Tarkin.

Look at all of Vader's moves in Empire: Surgical strikes, not mass destruction. He could have had the AT-ATs level the entire base, but he was after someone specific. When one of his officers failed to deliver those results, Vader executed him and replaced him with someone who could do better. Vader isn't about destroying Cloud City either, even after getting close to his goal. Taking control, not taking out.

As for music, while it would be nice to add the original Imperial music back to the Imperial fleet scene, the use of the March is pretty dead-on. Just don't add the (in my opinion, horribly cheesy) Imperial Probe attack music with those muted trumpets and whistles. Terrible!
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Well, besides the incident with Alderaan, we never see the "oppression" of the Empire. We just know they're bad because of blowing up a planet but besides fighting the Rebellion (and eliminating the Jedi in the PT), what is actually shown about how the Empire actually treats the populace? Everyone cheers at the end of the saga and that shows that the galaxy thinks its a good thing that the Emperor is finished. Everyone runs around screaming when they hear that the Empire has taken control of Cloud City, so that shows that they are very very afraid of the implications of an Imperial occupation. It reminds me of how afraid the denizens of Mos Eisley were when the few troops were moving down the alleyways. So, I'm all for blowing up a few fleeing ships. Shows that they don't F around. Anything to make the Empire more menacing is okay in my book. When I think of how the PT and the Clone Wars makes the stormtroopers so badass, its disappointing to see how inept they become in the OT. I'd like to feel a little afraid for our main heroes and others like we do aboard the Tantive IV. When they blew through that door and started mowing the Alderaanian guard to shreds, you could feel that these folks were about to get slaughtered. But at Hoth, you feel the menace from the walkers but when the snowtroopers come in they get clobbered by one little gun from the Falcon (that seems to be on automatic).

So, my two cents is, the more menace felt from the Empire, the better. But, if people are so against it, at least have a few cloud cars pulled over by a TIE fighter and show him writing the pilot a speeding ticket.

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Destroying Alderaan wasn't Vader's idea, anyway, it was Tarkin's.

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Personally, I've always loved the Cloud City window & balcony SE additions; actually, they're about the *only* SE additions that I feel strongly about keeping. IMO, they make the place feel more like an actual city on an alien planet and less like a movie set. Granted, those reflections are horribly done and need fixing in the worst way, but it seems to me that replacing the whole shot with the enclosed hallway would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater...

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Here's my 5 cents on the "TIE Fighters at Cloud City" issue:

At first I was excited about the prospect, then I read the good arguments about how that really wouldn't be Vader's MO. Then Darth Stewie turned me back around to liking it as we don't get to see much Imperial oppression against innocents. However, I still don't think it fits due to sequences in the movie.

Lando and Co blast their way out of Cloud City and leave in the Falcon with no problem. Then they turn around and pick up Luke. THEN the TIEs come down on them. I think that's when the "more Imperial troops" are arriving, because if there's already TIEs in the air over Cloud City, how does the Falcon leave, come back, and pick up Luke without being shot at?

I'm all for having various ships leaving after Lando announces the Empire's intentions (and as a fan of "Firefly", you could have Serenity really small in the background), but I'm no for the TIEs.


Another 5 cents about the open hallway. I love the new shot, and with some fixed reflections, I think it would be very nice.

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Well, there is a difference between just shooting at the ships or completely blowing them up.
Don't forget the twin-pod cloud cars shot at the falcon as well...
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adywan said:


seven said:

-Add Red hint to Bacta Tank for continuity

Doesn't need it as its inactive when coloured red



I think that may be a PT explanation. All resources I have found state that Bacta is red. Behind the Scenes at Starwars.com mentions that the lighting on the set was so bright that it washed out all the 'red' coloring of the tank. When we see the tank again empty, and less light, it is a deep red. Here in a pre-production Art/Storyboard showing that it was originally ment to be red.

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So, I took screenshots of 6 of the shots of Cloud City after Lando calls for the evacuation, the shots that could have some more ships.

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http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4980/esbcloudcity1gb9.jpg

I like this shot, but we'd need to see glimpses of the window or lighting on her face as she's shooting back at the troopers. Also, maybe a couple more ships leaving if the shot is kept in it's post-SE state.

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http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9699/esbcloudcity2ks9.jpg

Maybe a few ships leaving in the background.

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http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6492/esbcloudcity3dw9.jpg

Maybe more ships in this shot since theoretically we are looking towards the center of the buildings.

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http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4201/esbcloudcity4dk7.jpg

I think the same ships that were in shot 2 should still be trying to leave. And it looks like the buildings don't match very well with the previous shots, like they didn't SE this one.

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http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2144/esbcloudcity5st9.jpg

The shot could be moved up so we could see teeny tiny ships leaving, but not too many as to be a swarm of flies... Maybe have the TIEs enter from the upper left side of the frame, tense up the scene a bit more.

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http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3553/esbcloudcity7pu4.jpg

Now I think some ships could be getting shot at in the background.

And there's my Visual 5 Cents. So I think the TIEs should be brought in shortly after "Bring my shuttle" maybe like they were launched along with Vader's shuttle.

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Hey that's cool that you posted those, could you post more? Please post all shots of Slave I on the platform, I wanted to point out how the background and clouds are the same betwen it and where the falcon takes off later. Also the couple shots of the city during broad daylight, the ones that the added SE "gas refinery" and another later when Luke aproaches, you'll notice the clouds are the same, they were just flipped negative between shots.