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zombie84 said:

Not only do you have to pay the huge electric bill to keep those millions of hard drives spinning, you have to have a guy checking and maintaining them, and because hard drives only have a lifespan of about 2 or 3 years, that means all 40 000 000 GB has to be back up almost bi-annually. Thats an enormous effort, not to mention a huge cost


No, hard drives only have to be powered up when they're being accessed. I don't leave my computer on 24/7 and all the data is still on my hard drive when I go back to it the next day. ;-)

Likewise, lifespan is relative to how much use the drive is getting. These things won't be live 100% of the time. It's an archive, not a "video on demand" system.

Also look at the physical space they take up. A stack of film reels is about the size of a large pressure cooker pot. A hard drive - regardless of capacity, is about the size of a pair of DVD boxes.

Backups - that can be automated. You don't have to have someone literally sitting at a computer running backup programs 24/7.

It's do-able, there's just a lot of logistics to work out. As for cost, remember this is Hollywood we're talking about. The only other places with more disposable income are the US gov't and the oil companies.

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There is also another thing - and I'm surprised that noone mentioned it yet. Format compatibility. Reels can be "read" even after 50 years without problems here, but can you say the same about computer data? Ever tried to run 20-year-old program on modern system? Or imagine that you have to use those big 5+ inch floppies today - do you still use that obsolete drive in your 'puter?
Just like zombie said, it would require them to periodically "update" the hardware/software format the data is stored. And that costs $.
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RRS-1980 said:

Just like zombie said, it would require them to periodically "update" the hardware/software format the data is stored. And that costs $.


It would be cheaper to buy Mark Hamill and have him act out scenes whenever you wanted to watch.
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Sluggo said:

It would be cheaper to buy Mark Hamill and have him act out scenes whenever you wanted to watch.


Considering how much he must be hurting for work, I don't doubt that. However, wouldn't the movies be stored in a raw, uncompressed form without any encryption? Wouldn't that be easy for computers to read, even far down the line?
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About Crystall Skull I haven't seen it yet so I don't have much to say about it... The trailers look okay.


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boba feta said:

How come they still can't get the 'physics' right?


Who says they can't? The problem with realistic physics is that it's realistic. A lot of times, what looks real doesn't look cool at all. Leave the realism for real life. If you want realistic physics, go watch 2001.

The thing is that they've advertised CGI to look real since it started. "Look how real we got this CGI thing!" "Look how real this CGI thing looks!" When they realized that people were opening thier eyes and, seeing how bad lots of CGI looked they changed thier tune and, said "Look how stylistic this CGI looks!" "This new CGI is so cool look at this!" Therefore, it's thier fault that were all argueing about wanting realistic CGI since, that's what they advertised in the first place!

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Sluggo said:

It would be cheaper to buy Mark Hamill and have him act out scenes whenever you wanted to watch.


Considering how much he must be hurting for work, I don't doubt that. However, wouldn't the movies be stored in a raw, uncompressed form without any encryption? Wouldn't that be easy for computers to read, even far down the line?

Depends on how computers advance down the line. If computers start reading data crystals(like in B5) or, something like that exclusively good luck watching something off your HDD.

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I know this topic has drifted off course but I just wanted to say that despite mixed reviews, I love Crystal Skull. Anyone else like the film?
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zombie84 said:

If your library has 100, 000 titles you want preserved, at roughly 200 GB per film thats 20 000 000 GB. But you can't have just one, because digital data is so easily corrupted, you would make a back up, so now its 40 000 000 GB. Not only do you have to pay the huge electric bill to keep those millions of hard drives spinning, you have to have a guy checking and maintaining them, and becase hard drives only have a lifespan of about 2 or 3 years, that means all 40 000 000 GB has to be back up almost bi-annually. Thats an enormous effort, not to mention a huge cost (just the act of telecining them alone would cost near a billion dollars).


I don't know where you get your numbers for hard drives, but it's definitely not accurate. I've got crappy IDE drives here that are 5+ years old and they're still ticking. And besides that, you obviously wouldn't store a single movie on a single hard drive. You'd use an array (RAID 5 anyone?). Shit, use RAID 5 with a hot spare for even more protection. The likelihood of having two drives go down at the same time in an array is pretty rare, but it can happen. That's why you use the hot spare. And on top of all that, yes, you'd still backup to tape, but tapes can very easily be tested for data integrity. You could even use mirrored RAID 5 arrays. You can also have redundant discs. And don't forget that you can get drives as small as 2.5" now that have huge capacities (500 GB+ per disc). So finding space for all those drives isn't going to be nearly the problem you make it out to be.

RRS-1980 said:

There is also another thing - and I'm surprised that noone mentioned it yet. Format compatibility. Reels can be "read" even after 50 years without problems here, but can you say the same about computer data? Ever tried to run 20-year-old program on modern system? Or imagine that you have to use those big 5+ inch floppies today - do you still use that obsolete drive in your 'puter?
Just like zombie said, it would require them to periodically "update" the hardware/software format the data is stored. And that costs $.


Maybe for a Hollywood studio with billions of dollars, but what do you do when the "reader" is no longer being produced? You'll at the very least have to build something to read it. Digital data is no different in that respect. As long as studios use open formats (mpeg2, mpeg4, VC-1), anybody can read the spec and write a program to read the file.

To answer your questions, yes I have. A 20 year old program will actually function just fine running in FreeDOS (I'll assume it's DOS based if it's 20 years old). As far as 5.25" floppies go, yes, I have had to hook those up in the past few years and pull data off them. Most of the time when data is left on media like that, it's because they've transitioned to another format and forgotten about the old stuff. I'd say a majority of the time, they don't end up needing what's on them anyway. I've done my share of rescuing data from 3.5" floppies, zip disks, and 5.25" floppies. As long as I was able to get a drive, most of the data was easily recovered. But none of those formats would be an issue now or in the foreseeable future. Everyone is moving to hard drive based storage, so all you'd have to do is move your entire data store into a larger capacity array as your needs grow (or as interfaces change). With the billions of dollars Hollywood has and the large IT staff, this shouldn't be a problem at all. They're already spending the money to increase storage everytime they work on a movie and do any CG to it. So it's not really an added cost.
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Well now I've seen Crystal Skull and my reaction is a resounding "meh". It's not groaningly bad like most of the prequels, but it is overdone and flat like the better parts of ep 3. I can't remember a single standout good line or scene, and several that I squirmed a bit because they kind of sucked - most of the chase in the forest for example, and the fake-looking ants. Somewhat incoherent story too - just a grab bag of locales and ideas.
In the end, just an average action movie....
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^ You're right, Speilberg should've used real ants!
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Where did I say that?
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thecolorsblend2 said:

^ You're right, Speilberg should've used real ants!
Lucas should have written a real script that didn't include shitty ants.

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I liked it. I'm deeply sorry, and will watch the Holiday Special all the way through in order to do penance. Do I have to burn my OT.com membership card now? ;)

Were there any hidden Star Wars references? (Besides the obvious line spoken by Indy.) There was a nice little reference to the original King Kong near the end...

EDIT: I should have said Mighty Joe Young reference. Darn giant ape movies are too similar!
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Both Speilberg and Lucas should retire it is very clear their best years of filmaking are behind them.

I gave Spielberg another chance after the fiasco that was war of the worlds, but Indy 4 is bad and not salvageable and ruined the franchise.

He has to work a hell of a lot harder if he wants my 12.50

Unless Lincoln totally makes me change my tune He just like his pal Lucas are never gonna get another dime from me at the movies.

Clone Wars by Luca$ looks like a friggin nintendo 64 game.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Both Speilberg and Lucas should retire it is very clear their best years of filmaking are behind them.


I was thinking the exact same thing the other day. Unfortunately, I fear the same may be said about John Williams as a composer.

skyjedi2005 said:

He has to work a hell of a lot harder if he wants my 12.50


Whoa! Where do you live, Manhattan?!

I nearly collapsed the other day when I bought my ticket and it was $10.00! (I live in a suburb of Atlanta, btw).

I don't usually go to the first-run movie theater, and evidently the prices have gone up since the last time I was there. However, I had an AMC gift certificate from Christmas and thought it would be good to use it to see Indy IV.

It will be a very long time before I go back to the AMC. There's no movie that I want to see so badly that I can't wait to see it at the dollar theater or on DVD.

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Mielr said:


I nearly collapsed the other day when I bought my ticket and it was $10.00!


$9.00, $7.00, & $7.00 for the times I've seen it. All in the same theater, a big Regal with the stadium seating and super comfortable high-back chairs. Brought my own candy with me though - Indiana Jones Mint M&Ms. <--- No, I'm not kidding.
I'm not paying $5.00 for a bag of candy. That's too close to the cost of my ticket and more than I paid to park. Have one more bag in case I go again.
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Anchorhead said:

Mielr said:


I nearly collapsed the other day when I bought my ticket and it was $10.00!


$9.00, $7.00, & $7.00 for the times I've seen it. All in the same theater, a big Regal with the stadium seating and super comfortable high-back chairs. Brought my own candy with me though - Indiana Jones Mint M&Ms. <--- No, I'm not kidding.
I'm not paying $5.00 for a bag of candy. That's too close to the cost of my ticket and more than I paid to park. Have one more bag in case I go again.
You've seen it 3 times? And are considering a 4th? Wow.

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Out here it's $6.75 for a matinee, but then spikes up to $9.25 after 6PM. The principle that they have to drive you into debt to see a bad movie just makes me cynical of hollywood right now.
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Its actually not that out of preportion to the price it was ten, twenty and thirty years ago.
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I actually loved it. Harrison Ford is my hero, and it's not like he'll be able to play parts like this for too much longer.
Movies now-a-days are visually driven, and I see nothing wrong using CG graphics to portray a ufo or alien and what not. In the new era of story telling, you can't get away with having a man in an alien suit anymore, or a model ship hanging from a string. Well maybe in the old Star Wars.
That's just my opinion.

 

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I did enjoy the movie, but there are a lot of questions, or more like, there are things missing. Why would it take 13 skeletons to create 1 skeleton? Shouldn't the other "aliens" be the rest of the parts of the alien, i.e., nervous system, muscles, intestines? It's just weird to me.

Now the other question is the alien they found at Roswell...wouldn't he turn into 13 skeletons and then they have to put him "back together" and he reforms, and...it's all kind of strange.
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I think people look to deep into this movie. Aliens work in mysterious ways. We aren't supposed to understand these things. The Indy movies have a reference of what some people have spent their whole lives searching for (the ark, the grail, UFO's) The thing is that the first three films had years of history, and many books to back up evidence and all that crap. Where as the 4th Indy film is based on very little knowledge about such a thing, and one person's take on it. In this case lucas'. No one knows what alien can or cannot do. It's a matter of what we think they can do.

Lucas brought up some really clever ideas and turned it into a movie.

-Mayan hieroglyphics that look like flying airplanes
-The landscape pictures in peru that can only be seen from the sky
-Legend of the crystal skulls
-UFO crash in Roswell
-The fact that ancient civs were highly advanced

It's very clever in my opinion

 

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This movies greatest weakness which could have been fixed if anybody cared is the script, just like the prequels.

You cannot add substance to a non existent plot after the fact in post with cgi.

In fact this i'll direct it in post philosophy instead of actually directing the actors and ensemble for performances is what makes the prequels suck.

Now you would say but Lucas did not direct Crystal Skull, Spielberg did. But even for spielberg this has to be one of his dimmest moments since 1941 or Temple of Doom.

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They struggled with the script for many years with many writers. It's a completely different situation to the prequels even if the end result, Dudes-on the-internet get-mad, is the same.
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Yeah, a bad script does not always come from a lack of effort. Sometimes it comes from a lack of talent.