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corellian77 said:

Like a lot of people here, until recently I had only ever used torrents in order to download movies. I heard people talk about how great Usenet was, but:

a) I didn’t fully understand how to use it and, more importantly

b) I didn’t want to pay to use it when torrents are free.

However, as no torrent was forthcoming until just recently (thanks for remedying that, by the way, negative1), I decided to explore the realm of Usenet a little further. Ultimately, I was able to download the DVD9 from Usenet without paying a cent, and so, for those of you who wish to do the same, here’s what I did:


just to be clear, you're still paying your ISP, and by the way,
depending on who that is, a lot of them give free newsgroup
access (*or give you a limit to download)....

so if you're going this route, and don't want the hassle of
charging something on credit, cancelling, etc..(thats more of
a hassle to me)...and also people that don't have credit cards etc..

finally, the torrent has been up for all of : Added on Thursday, May 22, 2008

so , its been about 5 full days, and we're at 85% percent..and i expect
in a few more days, when there about 20+seeders or more i hope,
the time to get it will come down drastically..

i know it only took you 1 day to download from the newsgroups,
but you must have a very fast connection, as it took me all of
several days......so it wasn't any advantage to me at all...

i'm NOT trying to discourage people from using newsgroups,

but the LEARNING CURVE is WAY WAY harder than torrents,
(from my own experience of just learning how to use them)..

so depending on how confident / impatient you are...

weigh your options..........torrents still win out:
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+ easy to set up
+ easy to find
+ light learning curve
- might be slower originally

newsgroups:
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- hard to set up, HUGE LEARNING CURVE for newcomers
- hard to get access (credit hassle, etc if you want to subscribe)
+ might be faster if you have a good connection

later
-1

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negative1 said:

just to be clear, you're still paying your ISP, and by the way,
depending on who that is, a lot of them give free newsgroup
access (*or give you a limit to download)....

Well, yeah, I figured people would realize they're paying for their regular Internet service... they'll also be paying electricity bills for the energy their computers are consuming, as well as any lights they have on in the room while sitting at said computer, but I didn't think it was necessary to go into that much detail...

As for some Internet Service Providers providing free newsgroup access, you're absolutely right; thanks for mentioning it (since I totally forgot to). People would be well-advised to confirm whether their ISP has this first before unecessarily paying for newsgroup access (unfortunately, I wasn't one of those so lucky to get free access).

i know it only took you 1 day to download from the newsgroups,
but you must have a very fast connection, as it took me all of
several days......so it wasn't any advantage to me at all...

As I said, I have a cable connection... I averaged 4 Mb/s... so yeah, if you're connection's slower than that, it'll take longer. However, if someone's connection is slow, wouldn't it just take that much longer for a torrent too?

i'm NOT trying to discourage people from using newsgroups,

but the LEARNING CURVE is WAY WAY harder than torrents,
(from my own experience of just learning how to use them)..

Agreed... I still love torrents for their simplicity and, to be honest, because they're free, and will continue to go that route in the future (barring any other free newsgroup access I discover). Like I said at the outset of my post, I only offered this info for those anxious to get a copy of the DVD9 and who don't mind a bit of a rigamaroll to do it.

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newsgroups:
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- hard to set up, HUGE LEARNING CURVE for newcomers
- hard to get access (credit hassle, etc if you want to subscribe)
+ might be faster if you have a good connection


-hard to set up IF YOU ARE AN ORANGUTAN who can't follow directions
-hard to get access if you can't do some simple web searching
+ might be faster if you have a good connection.... or if anyone happens to be seeding your niche torrent.... most definitely faster if they aren't

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

public torrents are slow UNLESS many peeps are seeding... Which ain't gonna happen for this particular torrent. As far as credit hassle. Yeah if you are living in a cave and can't get a check card like the rest of humanity for your checking account. I think 3 bucks over at newshosting.com is more than worth the money for this fine edit.

I am seeding the torrent for the iPod version of this so I don't have a problem with torrents except I have to leave my torrent software on and my upload bandwidth is being used up so I can't do any gaming.... wait... I HATE TORRENTS!
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I'm right there with you carbonunit. On my cable connection I can grab a dvd5 from usenet in 2 hours. With that same connection, the fastest I've ever managed to grab a dvd5 from a torrent is a couple of days. And that's IF it's seeded well, which most aren't, at least not for long anyway. If you don't have the gumption to try to learn something that's pretty easy, well... then you don't deserve to get your download that fast. You deserve that 2 days to 2 weeks to 2 months to download something.

To keep this on topic...

Ady, what did you do to the Biggs and Luke scene to smooth out the original 12fps look? Also, I really like the addition of the music. Certainly gives it more of a cinematic feel. Also, what source did you use? Was it my Lost Scenes or someone else's?

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carbonunit said:

The iPod m4v file is .99 GB. It will take what it takes to get it to you since it seems I'm the only one seeding it right now. If others would help seed you will get it faster.

I want to get that one, but apparently I've reached my upload/download limit for the month, and their internet usage tool is nonsense. They say they won't charge anything for 'overage,' but I don't trust them. So, I'll probably start getting it Sunday or Monday. Since it's an mp4, it should work on my PSP as well. That's a big chunk of a 2 GB memory stick, though! Haha.
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Great work Adywan. Respect.

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Ady, what did you do to the Biggs and Luke scene to smooth out the original 12fps look? Also, I really like the addition of the music. Certainly gives it more of a cinematic feel. Also, what source did you use? Was it my Lost Scenes or someone else's?

i used the ripped png's from behind the magic that someone posted a while back (can't remember who did this rip, sorry)
To be honest i have deleted the adobe after effects project file so i can't remember the exact way i did it. I'm pretty sure that i opened the pngs in virtualdubmod and saved them as a 29fps avi. then imported it into after effects. changed the composition framerate to 25fps (there was a reason i didn't make it 24). changed the length of the avi to match the exact length of the audio using the time stretch function. I set the "frame blending" to "pixel motion" and rendered it. It did cause a few artefacts during fast motion but it did work at smoothing out the motion. With extra work (which i couldn't be bothered to do cleaning up all the frames) you can mask out the problem areas and create a smooth motion copy. Like i said i haven't got the project file to check that this was the exact way but i'm pretty sure it was.

Onto the subject of newsgroups well i find them as easy as torrents but hell of a lot faster. i use giganews and can download a DVD-5 in about 1hr 30mins on an 8mb connection. It have the unlimited account which costs about £12 per month but there are cheaper providers out there. If you compare how long it takes to get a DVD from usenet compared to the crawl it takes for a torrent it is worth investing in a usenet account because you would probably be using that much electric with having to have your pc on so long to get the torrent downloaded.

It is as easy as torrent too. once you have set up your newsreader, which with something like newzbinpro is really easy because all you have to do is enter your username & password and your done. you can then load up the groups you want easily but this isn't necessary to get the posts you want. took me 2 minutes when i first used it to get all set up and running.

All you have to do is use the binsearch site. you do a search and it lists all the files available. once you have found the release you just tick the box by the side of it (usually a complete release has already been grouped together) and create an nzb file. this is the same as having a torrent file because it contains all the info your reader needs to download the files . then open your nzb file in your newsreader, tell it where to download the files to and your done. Easy. i can't really see anything harder in using newsgroups. its faster, you don't have to upload anything which gives you your maximum download speed. people moaning that they can't have a credit card so they can't use usenet need to do some searching on the internet. Pay as you go credit cards are widely available and anyone can get one. some charge you a monthly fee but free ones are available, you just need to shop around. And i guess that the ones moaning about having to pay a few pounds(or dollars) each month for good access but use torrents regularly can't be paying for their electric bill. I know for a fact that mine certainly went down each month once i stopped using torrents and switched to usenet. Plus usenet isn't throttled by most ISP's the way torrents are or at least not as much so you usually always get your full download speed. And most ISP's have their own usenet access but don't have the good retention as a proper service, so you wouldn't even have to pay for it.

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adywan said:

All you have to do is use the binsearch site.


That would be http://www.binsearch.info. Thanks ady, I didn't realize that was out there. That makes my usenet searching a lot easier!

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adywan said:


i used the ripped png's from behind the magic that someone posted a while back (can't remember who did this rip, sorry)
To be honest i have deleted the adobe after effects project file so i can't remember the exact way i did it. I'm pretty sure that i opened the pngs in virtualdubmod and saved them as a 29fps avi. then imported it into after effects. changed the composition framerate to 25fps (there was a reason i didn't make it 24). changed the length of the avi to match the exact length of the audio using the time stretch function. I set the "frame blending" to "pixel motion" and rendered it. It did cause a few artefacts during fast motion but it did work at smoothing out the motion. With extra work (which i couldn't be bothered to do cleaning up all the frames) you can mask out the problem areas and create a smooth motion copy. Like i said i haven't got the project file to check that this was the exact way but i'm pretty sure it was.

Onto the subject of newsgroups well i find them as easy as torrents but hell of a lot faster. i use giganews and can download a DVD-5 in about 1hr 30mins on an 8mb connection. It have the unlimited account which costs about £12 per month but there are cheaper providers out there. If you compare how long it takes to get a DVD from usenet compared to the crawl it takes for a torrent it is worth investing in a usenet account because you would probably be using that much electric with having to have your pc on so long to get the torrent downloaded.

It is as easy as torrent too. once you have set up your newsreader, which with something like newzbinpro is really easy because all you have to do is enter your username & password and your done. you can then load up the groups you want easily but this isn't necessary to get the posts you want. took me 2 minutes when i first used it to get all set up and running.

All you have to do is use the binsearch site. you do a search and it lists all the files available. once you have found the release you just tick the box by the side of it (usually a complete release has already been grouped together) and create an nzb file. this is the same as having a torrent file because it contains all the info your reader needs to download the files . then open your nzb file in your newsreader, tell it where to download the files to and your done. Easy. i can't really see anything harder in using newsgroups. its faster, you don't have to upload anything which gives you your maximum download speed. people moaning that they can't have a credit card so they can't use usenet need to do some searching on the internet. Pay as you go credit cards are widely available and anyone can get one. some charge you a monthly fee but free ones are available, you just need to shop around. And i guess that the ones moaning about having to pay a few pounds(or dollars) each month for good access but use torrents regularly can't be paying for their electric bill. I know for a fact that mine certainly went down each month once i stopped using torrents and switched to usenet. Plus usenet isn't throttled by most ISP's the way torrents are or at least not as much so you usually always get your full download speed. And most ISP's have their own usenet access but don't have the good retention as a proper service, so you wouldn't even have to pay for it.


I actually recommend alt.binz for downloading usenet binaries. It downloads the binaries and decodes them just like others BUT it also PAR checks AND unrar's the files for you too. Most of the time I just click on a nzb download from http://v3.newzbin.com and that's it. It opens altbinz, downloads all the files, decodes them, par checks them, and unrars them automatically. I just come back after it's done and get my DVD, AVI, MP3's, or what ever else I got. It's fricken' cool! Altbinz is free. It even has a search function built in. Did I mention that it's cool?

I forgot to mention there is some set up. You have to click your mouse a few times and move that curser thing around to set it up. You may even have to type things in at first like login names and passwords. But after all that grueling work it is effortless. If anyone is really interested I will write a tutorial on how to set up Alt.Binz for downloading.

*EDIT* I changed this picture. I got the original from the newzbin site which shows some horrible pirate downloading illegaly obtained softeware! Here is a screen shot from my very own setup downloading something much, much better. Note the top left. Shows that I will download this DVD9 in 1hour and 52 minutes. This could never be done with a torrent.

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carbonunit said:

Shows that I will download this DVD9 in 1hour and 52 minutes. This could never be done with a torrent.


please don't ever use the words 'could never be done' in an statement like
that...

i have a 20Mbit downstream setup, and the newsgroups option was
one of the slowest most painful method i have ever used to get files..

rapid*s*h*a*r*e is about a million times faster for me(ok, maybe slightly
less)....

[sarcasm] i don't care how many (elite) people on here use newsgroups, yeah, i used them 'about' 15 years ago...i'm sorry but that antiquated old method+hokey religion is no match for the fancy torrent software (and a blaster) out there now...
[/sarcasm]

i have download huge torrents at 1.5-2Mbits max speed,=a few hours, so getting huge DVD files is ENTIRELY possible given enough seeders/peers, and a good connection..

in fact, right now i'm getting the 47gig 1080p version of a certain
(ahem) OT right now......and it should be here in a few days..i think
it would take me several weeks using newsgroups, if i could even
find it there....

maybe i should post screenshots from the endless amount of time
it took my newsreader to get the files...

to each their own..

my aren't we impatient people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(spoiled kids need to get off MY LAWN TOO!!!! back in my day we had 300baud
modems, and had to swap floppy discs to get the data
on the other side, and dont EVEN talk to me about
punchcards either!!!)

there, i feel much better now..

later
-1

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negative1 said:

carbonunit said:

Shows that I will download this DVD9 in 1hour and 52 minutes. This could never be done with a torrent.


please don't ever use the words 'could never be done' in an statement like
that...

i have a 20Mbit downstream setup, and the newsgroups option was
one of the slowest most painful method i have ever used to get files..

rapid*s*h*a*r*e is about a million times faster for me(ok, maybe slightly
less)....

[sarcasm] i don't care how many (elite) people on here use newsgroups, yeah, i used them 'about' 15 years ago...i'm sorry but that antiquated old method+hokey religion is no match for the fancy torrent software (and a blaster) out there now...
[/sarcasm]

i have download huge torrents at 1.5-2Mbits max speed,=a few hours, so getting huge DVD files is ENTIRELY possible given enough seeders/peers, and a good connection..

in fact, right now i'm getting the 47gig 1080p version of a certain
(ahem) OT right now......and it should be here in a few days..i think
it would take me several weeks using newsgroups, if i could even
find it there....

maybe i should post screenshots from the endless amount of time
it took my newsreader to get the files...

to each their own..

my aren't we impatient people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(spoiled kids need to get off MY LAWN TOO!!!! back in my day we had 300baud
modems, and had to swap floppy discs to get the data
on the other side, and dont EVEN talk to me about
punchcards either!!!)

there, i feel much better now..

later
-1

'may the force be with you'


This is B*llshit, there isn't a faster way to get your data then through usenet! Simply because it uses the maximum bandwith as agreed with your provider (if you have a good usenet provider) I got this baby in 40 minutes from usenet to my HD (20Mbit), you will never get this speeds from torrents or rapidshare.......
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negative1,

On the NTSC DVD-9 that you torrented (thanks again), has the fix already been applied?

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8t88 said:

This is B*llshit, there isn't a faster way to get your data then through usenet!

Judging from the reactions of some Usenet folks here and elsewhere, if I didn't know better I would assume it must be an Apple technology. :-)

All negative1 said was that scenarios exist wherein it is possible to get a file through a torrent faster than through Usenet. I believe he expressed that point fairly clearly: "...getting huge DVD files is ENTIRELY possible given enough seeders/peers, and a good connection" (my emphasis).

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I got the DVD-5 in one afternoon through torrents. Not saying its the only way to go, but it worked for me that one time. PURIST took a couple days last week, and I'm still getting the DVD-9 because poor -1 is the only seeder. It'll start flying (relatively) when there's more than one (tomorrow sometime, if my estimates are correct).

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ron2112 said:

8t88 said:

This is B*llshit, there isn't a faster way to get your data then through usenet!

Judging from the reactions of some Usenet folks here and elsewhere, if I didn't know better I would assume it must be an Apple technology. :-)

All negative1 said was that scenarios exist wherein it is possible to get a file through a torrent faster than through Usenet. I believe he expressed that point fairly clearly: "...getting huge DVD files is ENTIRELY possible given enough seeders/peers, and a good connection" (my emphasis).

Ron Moses


Sorry but negative1 is still wrong. Downloading a torrent, no matter which software you use, no matter the amount of seeders, you will still have to contend with overhead. Torrents will never max out your line speed. Usenet does. Period.

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Ripplin said:

*wonders if this argument will ever end...*


So...


Don't you wish that Adywan had kept the flipper?

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vbangle said:

ron2112 said:

8t88 said:

This is B*llshit, there isn't a faster way to get your data then through usenet!

Judging from the reactions of some Usenet folks here and elsewhere, if I didn't know better I would assume it must be an Apple technology. :-)

All negative1 said was that scenarios exist wherein it is possible to get a file through a torrent faster than through Usenet. I believe he expressed that point fairly clearly: "...getting huge DVD files is ENTIRELY possible given enough seeders/peers, and a good connection" (my emphasis).

Ron Moses


Sorry but negative1 is still wrong. Downloading a torrent, no matter which software you use, no matter the amount of seeders, you will still have to contend with overhead. Torrents will never max out your line speed. Usenet does. Period.


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I think negative1's moniker is appropo for this discussion. I don't know what he's doing wrong but he shouldn't be downloading from usenet that slow. Methinks we have a case of operator error in our midst. I always max out my 10mbit connection while downloading. Anyone who follows my instructions earlier in this thread wil bear me out.

Now as far as the flipper goes... I want to see the adywan flipper edition uploaded to usenet please. Just ruins the whole experience for me to see a severed terrestrial limb lying there.. :)
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I prefer torrents over Usenet just to irritate people. :-)

That's only partially true, actually. I had bad experiences years ago trying to use the binary groups -- maybe it's changed since then but back in the day it was rare when I could find all the parts of a given set. It was always 18 of 22 parts or whatever, and I almost never managed to actually download anything. Soured me on the whole idea, so I'm reluctant to try again. Give me one click to deal with, I don't mind waiting. Plus I only download one or two items of this size a year, if that, so I'm not into paying for it. To each his own, of course.

But any opportunity to watch an Internet subculture gnash its collective teeth, I'm there. ;-)

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ron2112 said:

I prefer torrents over Usenet just to irritate people. :-)

That's only partially true, actually. I had bad experiences years ago trying to use the binary groups -- maybe it's changed since then but back in the day it was rare when I could find all the parts of a given set. It was always 18 of 22 parts or whatever, and I almost never managed to actually download anything. Soured me on the whole idea, so I'm reluctant to try again. Give me one click to deal with, I don't mind waiting. Plus I only download one or two items of this size a year, if that, so I'm not into paying for it. To each his own, of course.

But any opportunity to watch an Internet subculture gnash its collective teeth, I'm there. ;-)

Ron Moses


I'm with Ron. I can either pay a couple bucks and get it right now, or I can use my bandwidth to help others get it and just be patient.

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ron is right. Back in the day not having all the parts for a usenet binary as a big problem. That has since been rectified with the the use of parity files (PAR2). Im still under the impression that PAR2 recovery files are magic!
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carbonunit said:

Im still under the impression that PAR2 recovery files are magic!


I think gnomes are involved somehow.

Anyone have a quick, concise layman's explanation of how par2 files work? And how exactly do they get those gnomes into your computer to fix everything? :)

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Savage said:

carbonunit said:

Im still under the impression that PAR2 recovery files are magic!


I think gnomes are involved somehow.

Anyone have a quick, concise layman's explanation of how par2 files work? And how exactly do they get those gnomes into your computer to fix everything? :)


Gnomes... oh my... can you beleive this loser? GNOMES! What a moron!

Everyone with a tech degree knows it is 100% gremlin based magic... That is why you always end up with one part too few pars to recover! Although it helps to sacrifice a goldfish on your keyboard before beginning invoking that particular necromancy.
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