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negative1 said:

but all the new effects/scenes/and changes jumped out pretty heavily
to me in adywans cut of ANH (and i'm still pretty much in the purist camp)..

so, i'm not sure where you're coming from...maybe that's why people
are debating additions etc..


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I think you misunderstood me.

Looking at the film as a whole (ANH), the GOUT version looks consistent throughout. Nothing jumps out as odd since this is the original cut and what people are used to.

Looking at ANH-SE, the added Jabba scene as well as additions of robots and CGI characters where there were none before jump out and scream "This is new! Check me out!" It's especially noticeable to fans, but even casual observers would notice the changes.

Onto ANHR, any additional FX work will jump out as new and different to fans who have seen the film numerous times. Casual observers would most likely not notice anything that seems out of place. As a whole, the new edit flows and blends seamlessly between the original work and the enhancements. With all the garbage mattes phased out, new additions don't look like they don't belong. There's a certain polish to the whole product that makes it look like all elements are from the same time period. This can't be said of the official SE's as so many little things were left alone and broken to an extent, causing the new, pristine FX work to stick out.

What I'm talking about are all the little things that were added/corrected. New displays, repainted lasers/lightsabers, repaired jump cuts, better planet images, etc. These all add up and enhance what is already there and when taken in together, make the entire film feel modern while maintaining the spirit of the original. Sure, as a fan, I know when major things have been altered but that's just in the nature of knowing these films inside and out.

When friends and family saw the SE's they commented on what they perceived as new effects. With ANHR, they enjoyed it thoroughly, and weren't even aware of the sheer magnitude of what changed. I think that's the best compliment out there on Ady's work. Everything gels so completely that a casual fan can enjoy the film and not necessarily know that hundred of shots were changed.

When I talk of doing the FX the 'wrong way', I'm referring to sticking some CGI in a scene that had none and doing nothing the surrounding frame. To me, that sticks out and is just distracting. Subtle (and not so subtle) changes in context will be perceived, but if done 'right' won't detract from the viewing experience. This is what Ady has accomplished with ANHR and will most likely achieve with ESBR.

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I have to disagree. There is one discrepancy in ANHR which is a dead giveaway that it was filmed in the '70s, while the effects are 1990s/2000s technology.

The sideburns. XD

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RoccondilRinon said:

I have to disagree. There is one discrepancy in ANHR which is a dead giveaway that it was filmed in the '70s, while the effects are 1990s/2000s technology.

The sideburns. XD

Hey, they fit right in during the 90210 era! ;)

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Ric Olie had sideburns in TPM
Plus look at it this way, sideburns were popular in the late 60s and the 70s, go back 20-30 or more years before the 70s in the 1940s and 50s they were not a trend, just like in the prequels.
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I got your joke, just gave you something to think about, if you hadn't already thought that ok.
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RoccondilRinon said:

Sheesh, can't people take a bloody joke? I *like* sideburns.


actually, i think the hairstyles stood out the most, especially
luke/han etc....although leias was more futuristic, modern etc..

but i digress..

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Savage said:


I think you misunderstood me.

When I talk of doing the FX the 'wrong way', I'm referring to sticking some CGI in a scene that had none and doing nothing the surrounding frame. To me, that sticks out and is just distracting. Subtle (and not so subtle) changes in context will be perceived, but if done 'right' won't detract from the viewing experience. This is what Ady has accomplished with ANHR and will most likely achieve with ESBR.


i agree with most of what you said..

but it still jumps out me (holograms, ship movements, updated graphic
displays, et al), and i HAVE NOT watched the originals inside out...

anyways, i gave the revisited version to my parents and brother to
watch....and although they enjoyed it, you're right, they didn't notice
the changes, until they went to the trivia track, and checked out what
was done......credit to adywan..

tron is a great example of computer graphics that were way
ahead of their time (anyone done an edit/update of that!)

anyways, back on topic...

back to 'empire strikes back'....i've only seen it a handful of
times also (less than 10), and i have seen the SE on dvd, laserdisc,
and once in the theater...although i enjoyed it more than 'return of
the jedi', and not as much as 'star wars'...it was always a special
movie for me......so i wonder how much the changes will impact
the movie..

-minimizing boba fetts role? (in this movie, and in jedi)
i don't think you can do in one and not the other, won't the
continuity be messed up? as he's kind of critical in this one..

-changing darth vaders human appearance? could be done
subtly

-redoing the emperor (that's a given)

-i'm going to go watch 'building empire' now..haven't seen
it yet....looks very interesting...

i'll probably have to watch the movie once again to get some
more ideas...

later
-1

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Savage said:

Onto ANHR, any additional FX work will jump out as new and different to fans who have seen the film numerous times. Casual observers would most likely not notice anything that seems out of place. As a whole, the new edit flows and blends seamlessly between the original work and the enhancements. With all the garbage mattes phased out, new additions don't look like they don't belong. There's a certain polish to the whole product that makes it look like all elements are from the same time period. This can't be said of the official SE's as so many little things were left alone and broken to an extent, causing the new, pristine FX work to stick out.


This is why I'm afraid to show it to my wife. I mean, she likes Star Wars, but without the commentary track, I don't think she'll notice any changes and think I'm crazy for downloading the torrent for the last several days and buying DL DVDs to put them on. I'm going to have to go with the commentary track, thank Ady for that.

Speaking of "Ady", I've always pronounced it at "add-ee-wan" but since its short for Adrian and you're British, I guess its pronounced more like "a-d-one"...


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To contribute something after a long time. Two minor things:

- inside the asteroid creature, when they are lowering the Falcon door, as Han is descending it, the door lowers significantly on his each step. It's a detail but looks odd, like a spaceship door cannot handle a person's weight. It makes a metal hydraulic ramp look like it was made of plastic.

- the ramp of the Vader's shuttle bends like a thin wooden plank as Vader descends it at the end of the movie. Again a detail, but it just looks bad.

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Joshua_Blue said:

To contribute something after a long time. Two minor things:

- inside the asteroid creature, when they are lowering the Falcon door, as Han is descending it, the door lowers significantly on his each step. It's a detail but looks odd, like a spaceship door cannot handle a person's weight. It makes a metal hydraulic ramp look like it was made of plastic.

- the ramp of the Vader's shuttle bends like a thin wooden plank as Vader descends it at the end of the movie. Again a detail, but it just looks bad.



No worries about the second one since it'll be gone, but good eye on the first one! Unless its supposed to be squishing into the interior of the slug. I don't recall, is it bending, or just squishing down?

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I forgot about the shuttle scene being dumped.

As for the first point, it is not bending, it's just squishing down during lowering. It lowers noticeably faster on each Han's step. Just watch the scene and the ramp. Cannot miss it.
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Joshua_Blue said:

I forgot about the shuttle scene being dumped.

As for the first point, it is not bending, it's just squishing down. It lowers noticeably on each Han's step.


In that case, I think it might be deliberate, because the ground feels strange, doesn't feel like rock.

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No, the ramp is BEING LOWERED, it is not touching the ground yet. It hangs from the hydraulic pistons. Just watch the scene ;)
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Joshua_Blue said:

No, the ramp is BEING LOWERED, it is not touching the ground yet. It hangs from the hydraulic pistons. Just watch the scene ;)


NOW I remember. Sorry. Makes sense. Don't know how it could be fixed, but back to my original observation of "good eye."

Is there any way to delete most of that whole conversation? I feel silly...

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Joshua_Blue said:

I forgot about the shuttle scene being dumped.

As for the first point, it is not bending, it's just squishing down during lowering. It lowers noticeably faster on each Han's step. Just watch the scene and the ramp. Cannot miss it.

i've just checked out that shot on a loop and frame by frame and although it does look like what you say, what is actually happening is the hydraulics are jerking as the ramp is lowering. If you look as it is lowering and Han has stopped at the end of the ramp before getting off the jerking motion is still happening plus the jerk is not in sync with Hans footsteps.

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And Adywan's eye is even better. Yes Ady, the last jerk happens when Han is off the ramp, but to me, the previous jerks look very much (probably coincidentally) in sync with Han's steps. I this could be smoothed, fine, if not, still OK, but smooth motion would look better in my view.
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I've never noticed the ramp jerking as it lowers in the cave, but will probably from now on. :) From a character perspective, the ramp's hydraulics jerking as it lowers fits in with the finicky personality of the Falcon. Not everything always works on the ship and that could just be another system acting wonky.

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Good Evening.I wanted to say congratulations for your fan edit.I also i think you wanted a clean matte painting when the Emperor talks with Vader.I can help you with this.Just bring me the Images to make them.

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just a quick entry this time. I've finished the first colour pass for the first hour 30 mins of the movie. I have started phase 2 on some shots (mainly because they looked so bad i had to do something cuz i was sick of looking at them). This movie is definitely a more complicated colour fix than ANH. Just finished the main colour correction for one Dagobah scene and this shot below alone took 14 separate masks to fix the colour ( and that's one of the easier ones). So much colour was missing when removing the cyan tint that most had to be redone item by item. well here's a look at the final colour for Yoda. No more neon green:
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Wow! That seriously looks MUCH more natural.

And the first 90 minutes has been color-corrected? Already?!

Hopefully, the last forty minutes will be a walk for you. After the color-correcting, there's not much I can think of to do to ESB for the Revisted edition.

Oh yeah! And when Luke's hand is cut off, the lightsaber blade looks like it was chopped off just a centimeter or so from the top of the screen. I can't find a screengrab of it, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. That should be a (relatively) simple fix.

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