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bkev said:

My issue with CG is that it allows for filmmakers to be lazy. Before, a certain amount of creativity was involved in making something look real; now, you can hire a fucking video game designer to do all your work and buy a blue background for their job.


As opposed to hiring a fucking miniature crew and a fucking matte painter? There's absolutely no difference in the director's participation. They still just farm out the jobs to lackeys. And since when is difficulty directly proportional to quality? I can construct a Rube Goldberg device to fetch my newspaper for me, at the cost of thousands in materials and design, or I can just walk out the door and pick it up. Finding an easier way to do something isn't laziness, it's progress. It's how every industry on earth has streamlined its methods over the past 200 years. CGI is much more versatile than models, and it can look just as fake or just as real.
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How come they still can't get the 'physics' right?

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i had looked forward to Crystal Skull when i heard it was going to be shot on location with traditional effects and choreography to the fights.

instead it is full of lucasian fake cgi imagery the movie is littered with it, lame.

He ruined star wars now he sees fit to ruin Indiana Jones.

if most of the movie is fake and shot on greenscreen why spielberg shot it on film and cut it on a kem editing machine are beyond me.

they even cheaped out on not going for a full orchestra like the LSO for the score.

now all we can do is hope someone like goodmusician can cobble together the full score williams actually wrote for the film, that depends of course on what has been released.

unlike the original indiana jones trilogy there are no re-recordings to cull bits and pieces and parts of the score not on the true soundtrack release.

Plus i agree with 20th Century Mark, War of the Worlds was complete and utter garbage.

The modern Spielbergs don't come close to the oldies, although i did like the critical miss a.i., and Minority Report but that is because i am a fan of Phillip K Dick, and Brian Aldiss as well as Stanley Kubrick.

I would say Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Close Encounters, and E.T. are classics even Spielberg would be hard put to surpass in the modern era it simply cannot be done.

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boba feta said:

How come they still can't get the 'physics' right?


Who says they can't? The problem with realistic physics is that it's realistic. A lot of times, what looks real doesn't look cool at all. Leave the realism for real life. If you want realistic physics, go watch 2001.
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Whatever on the physics. The problem is they use too much CGI and it gets hokey.

I'm seeing this movie tomorrow night....damn I hope it doesn't suck.
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Johnboy3434 said:

bkev said:

My issue with CG is that it allows for filmmakers to be lazy. Before, a certain amount of creativity was involved in making something look real; now, you can hire a fucking video game designer to do all your work and buy a blue background for their job.


As opposed to hiring a fucking miniature crew and a fucking matte painter? There's absolutely no difference in the director's participation. They still just farm out the jobs to lackeys. And since when is difficulty directly proportional to quality? I can construct a Rube Goldberg device to fetch my newspaper for me, at the cost of thousands in materials and design, or I can just walk out the door and pick it up. Finding an easier way to do something isn't laziness, it's progress. It's how every industry on earth has streamlined its methods over the past 200 years. CGI is much more versatile than models, and it can look just as fake or just as real.


I would put the work of a minature crew and a fucking matte painter against any CGI artist any day.....I've seen the classic SW documentaries. Those guys put themselves into their work. They actually breathed life into their creations. Life can't be breathed into 1s and 0s on a computer. CGI looks so lifeless. Yeah, it looks good and can look real...but it's soul-less.
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Cable-X1 said:

Whatever on the physics. The problem is they use too much CGI and it gets hokey.

I'm seeing this movie tomorrow night....damn I hope it doesn't suck.


Going into it with an attitude like that, why even bother? Seriously. A friend of mine just saw it last night with some friends. He didn't want to, but they wanted to go see it. If you don't want to see it, don't go.

I probably won't see it for a while, but my expectations are really low. I don't expect it to be better than Raiders or Last Crusade (I actually like Last Crusade the best of the series so far), but I can't imagine it being worse than ToD (my least favorite of the three).
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Cable-X1 said:

I would put the work of a minature crew and a fucking matte painter against any CGI artist any day.....I've seen the classic SW documentaries. Those guys put themselves into their work. They actually breathed life into their creations. Life can't be breathed into 1s and 0s on a computer. CGI looks so lifeless. Yeah, it looks good and can look real...but it's soul-less.


I suppose it's just a matter of opinion, then. I think those 0's and 1's (when done well) have a lot more soul than a bunch of plastic and cardboard glued together and then blown up.
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skyjedi2005 said:



they even cheaped out on not going for a full orchestra like the LSO for the score.
What?! Who perfomed the score?

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I should clarify why I am so negative.
I had this experience before with Revenge of the Sith. Reviews were coming out that were generally quite positive, with only a few negatives. I believed the positives, and was dissappointed again; found ROTS almost as bad as the previous two.
I'm getting the same vibe this time.
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Earlier this week, IMDB had a reader review score of 9.0 for Crystal Skull. That's utterly insane -- higher than every great film ever made! It's already down to 8.1, and clearly after another month the review will more properly reflect the film's true quality.

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Mielr said:

skyjedi2005 said:

they even cheaped out on not going for a full orchestra like the LSO for the score.
What?! Who perfomed the score?



As far as I can tell, the only score that was done by the LSO was Raiders. ToD and Last Crusade (according to Amazon) weren't done by the LSO, so this isn't unique to Crystal Skull.
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Johnboy3434 said:


I suppose it's just a matter of opinion, then. I think those 0's and 1's (when done well) have a lot more soul than a bunch of plastic and cardboard glued together and then blown up.


"when done well"....which is often not the case....especially if you're George Lucas.
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Cable-X1 said:

"when done well"....which is often not the case....especially if you're George Lucas.


Again, your opinion. I think he did a splendid job.
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/14873/1/TAG-TEAM-INDIANA-JONES-POST-MORTEM/Page1.html

This is for everyone here who bashed the guys for not going in-depth with their opinions due to a concern for spoilers. I agree with them that expectations for films are so low because of how commodified summer fare has become. I think it's funny this film has so many defenders from people who hate other cgi shit put out from other beloved franchises but give this one a pass because of Ford and Spielberg.
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I saw the movie last night. I'm not the IJ nut some of you are so keep that in mind but it came off like an Indiana Jones movie to me. Nothing is ever going to be able to compete with Raiders and we all seem to understand that. Still, this one was fun and enjoyable and I thought it was worth making and worth seeing.
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Johnboy3434 said:

Cable-X1 said:

"when done well"....which is often not the case....especially if you're George Lucas.


Again, your opinion. I think he did a splendid job.


I think you're on crack, but whatever. Glad you enjoyed it...I didn't.
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I think we get the picture. I finally saw the movie yesterday. I thought it was decent although something felt different with the cinematography while they were in the US.

I seemed to think the movie felt more like an IJ movie once they got to Peru. I don't think this was Harrison's strongest acting performance of all 4, but there were some very nicely done action sequences. There were a few sequences however that were a bit overdone.

I had fun seeing it, but this one did seem less like IJ and more like the beginning of something else, like the first of a next batch of sequels. If that's the case I think the next one will be much better.

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Johnboy3434 said:

Cable-X1 said:

"when done well"....which is often not the case....especially if you're George Lucas.


Again, your opinion. I think he did a splendid job.


I think you're on crack, but whatever. Glad you enjoyed it...I didn't.
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sunday256 said:

If that's the case I think the next one will be much better.


Yeah, good luck with that....lol

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Hey I would welcome Indy V. Crystal Skull does not have a very conclusive send-off the way Crusade did, it seems like there is room to go somewhere, and I think if they did another one it would offer an improvement over Crystal Skull since they've gotten back into the grove again.
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yeah except Indiana Jones V will star Shia Lebouf with Harrison Ford as a guest star.

I don't know why people want another since crystal skull has all but buried the franchise under fake cgi and laughable script and plot.

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I saw it tonight and it was fun to watch. I liked the nod to Raiders in the beginning, and I liked the way the film ended. The film felt sillier than the previous 3 and the plot was a bit murky, but it was still enjoyable. I liked seeing Marion again. It's no Raiders, that's for damn sure, but it didn't offend me like the prequels did.

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Mielr said:

I saw it tonight and it was fun to watch. I liked the nod to Raiders in the beginning, and I liked the way the film ended. The film felt sillier than the previous 3 and the plot was a bit murky, but it was still enjoyable. I liked seeing Marion again. It's no Raiders, that's for damn sure, but it didn't offend me like the prequels did.

I saw it tonight too and my thoughts about it are very similar to yours. I really enjoyed it. But I feel that this film has rounded off the saga and they really shouldn't do any more.

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Number20 said:

Unfortunately, they changed their minds. Read this article below. Spielberg says he was going to, but decided on CGI instead. I would of liked to have seen less CGI. Too bad...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080522/ap_en_mo/film_indy_effects;_ylt=AmMezSOCEptAVZcDo5S_G0i2GL8C


That is really sad for someone as visually oriented as myself. Why don't they just have computers make the entire movie nowadays? Just because a computer can do something doesn't mean it should. Imagine if they had used computers to make the effects as flawless and unnoticeable as possible. Imagine if, instead of 3D rendered plants to create a fake, over-the-top jungle they instead used their computers to create flawless "matte shots" with real, animated foliage. Oh well.

What happened to the painstaking care that used to look at each shot and scene for excellent visual details? I preferred it when people did real work to make sure that a particular image was as good as it could be. Though, I suppose that Guillermo Del Toro does a fantastic job in his movies. I can't wait for Hellboy 2 and he gives me hope for a good translation of the Hobbit.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005