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adywan said:
thank for the help guys. Luckily i've managed to dig out a pre-thx VHS tape. Just had a quick scan through it and the colour is the same as the GOUT just less saturated & a very slight different tint to it. I'm just going to go with what looks natural. this was never meant to be a restoration project so if the colour is slightly different than the original then I'm not really bothered about that. As long as that horrible tint is gone and the colouring looks natural then i've achieved what i have set out to do.
thank for the help guys. Luckily i've managed to dig out a pre-thx VHS tape. Just had a quick scan through it and the colour is the same as the GOUT just less saturated & a very slight different tint to it. I'm just going to go with what looks natural. this was never meant to be a restoration project so if the colour is slightly different than the original then I'm not really bothered about that. As long as that horrible tint is gone and the colouring looks natural then i've achieved what i have set out to do.
Well (and this is gonna sound so corny), all I gotta say, Ady, is...
May the Force be with you!
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adywan said:
thank for the help guys. Luckily i've managed to dig out a pre-thx VHS tape. Just had a quick scan through it and the colour is the same as the GOUT just less saturated & a very slight different tint to it. I'm just going to go with what looks natural. this was never meant to be a restoration project so if the colour is slightly different than the original then I'm not really bothered about that. As long as that horrible tint is gone and the colouring looks natural then i've achieved what i have set out to do.
thank for the help guys. Luckily i've managed to dig out a pre-thx VHS tape. Just had a quick scan through it and the colour is the same as the GOUT just less saturated & a very slight different tint to it. I'm just going to go with what looks natural. this was never meant to be a restoration project so if the colour is slightly different than the original then I'm not really bothered about that. As long as that horrible tint is gone and the colouring looks natural then i've achieved what i have set out to do.
Adywan - Whatever you decide on yourself for different scenes throughout is bound to be better than the 2004 SE colouring as far as I'm concerned. The 'darkening' of the original colours in the 'Empire' SE was my main disappointment with that release, and has been happening with other favourite movies of mine too it seems. (And the SE 'A New Hope' was of course also altered for the worse too...) If nothing else, your better colouration is worth the effort of your versions alone!
A couple of other things - The recent ideas on 'the Bespin shuttle scenes' made me compare them on GOUT and SE today...and my own two cents are that the reintroduction of Darth's 'Bring my shuttle' line with NO SE additions of the 'walkway' / shuttle landing inside 'Excecutor's bay / Darth coming down shuttle ramp shots anymore, thus not breaking up the 'Millenium Falcon fleeing' scene so much, sounds good to me.
However, I'd still like one of the 2 shots of the shuttle heading for the 'Executor' to still briefly intercut into the 'fleeing' sequence, ideally the one of the reverse of the shuttle with the 'Executor' in the background (as I really like all 'Executor' effects shots!), but if you plan using that elsewhere, it would be okay with the 'shuttle leaving planet' one too. Just my own preference, although if they are gone (as you seem to think best at the moment), then they are gone. The sequence is still great and pacy enough, whether one of those brief establishing shots is there or not, I realise. Just a thought.
The other thing is, can you please do something with the distractingly large, unnatural (hey it's ALL unnatural I know!) 'orange glow' that occurs when a very small asteroid collides into the large 'crater' of the huge 'potato-shaped' asteroid, just after Han replies to C3PO, 'Never tell me the odds'.
Perhaps either put in some 'sparking debris' on it's impact, or get rid of the small asteroid, it's shadow, and subsequent 'orange glow' altogether! Either way would be preferable to what is there at the moment. Thanks.
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adywan said:
thank for the help guys. Luckily i've managed to dig out a pre-thx VHS tape. Just had a quick scan through it and the colour is the same as the GOUT just less saturated & a very slight different tint to it. I'm just going to go with what looks natural. this was never meant to be a restoration project so if the colour is slightly different than the original then I'm not really bothered about that. As long as that horrible tint is gone and the colouring looks natural then i've achieved what i have set out to do.
thank for the help guys. Luckily i've managed to dig out a pre-thx VHS tape. Just had a quick scan through it and the colour is the same as the GOUT just less saturated & a very slight different tint to it. I'm just going to go with what looks natural. this was never meant to be a restoration project so if the colour is slightly different than the original then I'm not really bothered about that. As long as that horrible tint is gone and the colouring looks natural then i've achieved what i have set out to do.
I'd be more interested in things looking good than looking correct.
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If I remember correctly, the original rental version of ESB was always slightly different in colour and film look (technical term) than the follow up sell-thru's.
I only know this because my kind old mother bought me the VHS rental version of Empire back in 84, and once the cheapo sets came out in 88 or whatever, they always looked different.
Now, if there was a way for me to show you guys I would
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I know there are some really talented people who have already built and painted a lot of SW models that are almost identical to the originals.
Maybe you could put out a feeler if there is anyone with such-and-such model, which they would be whiling to allow you to borrow for your shots. In return you can get a nice FX shot, and they can say their model is 'screen used' in Star Wars Revisited. Just a thought.
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I am not sure if someone has mentioned this suggestion before, but have you thought about doing some bluescreen shots with Studio Scaled models to help create some of the FX shots you are planning to do?
I know there are some really talented people who have already built and painted a lot of SW models that are almost identical to the originals.
Maybe you could put out a feeler if there is anyone with such-and-such model, which they would be whiling to allow you to borrow for your shots. In return you can get a nice FX shot, and they can say their model is 'screen used' in Star Wars Revisited. Just a thought.
I am not sure if someone has mentioned this suggestion before, but have you thought about doing some bluescreen shots with Studio Scaled models to help create some of the FX shots you are planning to do?
I know there are some really talented people who have already built and painted a lot of SW models that are almost identical to the originals.
Maybe you could put out a feeler if there is anyone with such-and-such model, which they would be whiling to allow you to borrow for your shots. In return you can get a nice FX shot, and they can say their model is 'screen used' in Star Wars Revisited. Just a thought.
I tried that with ANH Revisited and it just didn't work. New model shots would really need to be done on film and not video because they just don't match and also done with the correct motion control cameras & rigging.
Anyway here is a short comparison clip showing a short scene of the Hoth battle with the first pass colour correction and the original 2004 DVD colour. Don't forget this is just the first basic colour pass. many elements have to be done later like missing sky colour (which in some shots is also missing from the 2004 DVD's). You can also see just how green C-3PO is in the DVD versions
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Look! C3PO's not green anymore!
This will look fantastic just as ANHR does. The only fault I notice from being used to the '04 DVDs is the sky being less saturated, but the first pass does indeed look more like I think it should. Also, R2's dome loses some of its luster by taking out some of the blue, but not bad at all. At least the Falcon isn't blue and 3PO isn't green!
I'm thinking this whole "No really, I'm taking a break." has been a smokescreen from the beginning! :)
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adywan said:
Anyway here is a short comparison clip showing a short scene of the Hoth battle with the first pass colour correction and the original 2004 DVD colour. Don't forget this is just the first basic colour pass. many elements have to be done later like missing sky colour (which in some shots is also missing from the 2004 DVD's). You can also see just how green C-3PO is in the DVD versions
COLOUR CORRECTION VISUAL COMPARISON XVID 25mb Approx
Anyway here is a short comparison clip showing a short scene of the Hoth battle with the first pass colour correction and the original 2004 DVD colour. Don't forget this is just the first basic colour pass. many elements have to be done later like missing sky colour (which in some shots is also missing from the 2004 DVD's). You can also see just how green C-3PO is in the DVD versions
COLOUR CORRECTION VISUAL COMPARISON XVID 25mb Approx
I realize you're not up to this point yet, but the sound pitch felt a bit high. I'm guessing that's because you're working from a PAL source and haven't converted it to NTSC yet, so it's a bit off because of the difference in the frame rate?
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(I grew up with the Special Editions, and the 2004 DVDs came out when I was fifteen, but I gotta say, this version of ESB looks to be almost the definitive, the one that I'll stick with. I'll hold onto the official DVDs, sure, but this will be the one that'll be on my DVD shelf!)
And after the horrors of the color work done on the 2004 DVDs, this should be a walk, right?
BTW, the Executor is also blue throughout this and ROTJ (I think). I'm assuming that's getting the grey treatment as well?
Also, I have an idea for how to have Emperor Palpatine say 'Luke Skywalker' in the transmission, instead of 'young Skywalker'. However, it's too crazy, in my opinion, to be taken seriously. Some would call it 'thinking outside the box'. If said box is the Box of Sanity, I'd agree with them.
(...Man, I'm seriously gonna make or break my credibility on this site with this suggestion. All these people reading how crazy I am...)
My idea involves getting someone to imitate Ian McDiarmid's evil Emperor voice for the phrase "Luke Skywalker", and blending the word "Luke" into the dialogue we already have of Palpatine's. If the joint between Ian McDiarmid's dialogue and the newly recorded "Luke" is too obvious, perhaps a burst of static on the hologram could mask it. Who would do the extra Emperor dialogue, I don't know. Who would take this idea seriously... well, I guess I'll find out soon, won't I?
I apologize in advance if my suggestion is too far out there.
*takes a deep breath*
...Well, here goes nothing.
EDIT: My heart's beating so fast right now!
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Savage said:
Lookin' good, Ady.
Look! C3PO's not green anymore!
This will look fantastic just as ANHR does. The only fault I notice from being used to the '04 DVDs is the sky being less saturated, but the first pass does indeed look more like I think it should. Also, R2's dome loses some of its luster by taking out some of the blue, but not bad at all. At least the Falcon isn't blue and 3PO isn't green!
I'm thinking this whole "No really, I'm taking a break." has been a smokescreen from the beginning! :)
Lookin' good, Ady.
Look! C3PO's not green anymore!
This will look fantastic just as ANHR does. The only fault I notice from being used to the '04 DVDs is the sky being less saturated, but the first pass does indeed look more like I think it should. Also, R2's dome loses some of its luster by taking out some of the blue, but not bad at all. At least the Falcon isn't blue and 3PO isn't green!
I'm thinking this whole "No really, I'm taking a break." has been a smokescreen from the beginning! :)
Yeh, the problem with the 2004 DVD's existing is that you start to get use to the over saturated colours. The second pass will bring some of the blue back but only in the shots where it is lacking & some shots where it is missing completely (even in the GOUT some shots are lacking blue colouring for the sky). For R2 i have to create a separate mask for his dome in each shot to retain his blue colouring but thats done later. The problem with the colouring of the DVDs isn't actually a blue tint. whats happened is that the cyans have been oversaturated more than other colours and became overpowering, and i'm pretty sure that the colouring was indeed added to hide some problems with missing colour during the restoration work and it seems mainly reds that are missing here.
Well i did have a short break but after 2 years of working on ANHR i just didn't know what to do with myself once the DVD-9s were finished and i was itching to start on ESB. But all i am doing at the moment is the colour correction and then i'm taking a summer break to plan out what needs to be done for the edit before i start work on the FX shots
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I realize you're not up to this point yet, but the sound pitch felt a bit high. I'm guessing that's because you're working from a PAL source and haven't converted it to NTSC yet, so it's a bit off because of the difference in the frame rate?
I realize you're not up to this point yet, but the sound pitch felt a bit high. I'm guessing that's because you're working from a PAL source and haven't converted it to NTSC yet, so it's a bit off because of the difference in the frame rate?
Yes it will sound higher pitched because of the PAL speed-up.
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BTW, the Executor is also blue throughout this and ROTJ (I think). I'm assuming that's getting the grey treatment as well?
Also, I have an idea for how to have Emperor Palpatine say 'Luke Skywalker' in the transmission, instead of 'young Skywalker'. However, it's too crazy, in my opinion, to be taken seriously. Some would call it 'thinking outside the box'. If said box is the Box of Sanity, I'd agree with them.
(...Man, I'm seriously gonna make or break my credibility on this site with this suggestion. All these people reading how crazy I am...)
My idea involves getting someone to imitate Ian McDiarmid's evil Emperor voice for the phrase "Luke Skywalker", and blending the word "Luke" into the dialogue we already have of Palpatine's. If the joint between Ian McDiarmid's dialogue and the newly recorded "Luke" is too obvious, perhaps a burst of static on the hologram could mask it. Who would do the extra Emperor dialogue, I don't know. Who would take this idea seriously... well, I guess I'll find out soon, won't I?
BTW, the Executor is also blue throughout this and ROTJ (I think). I'm assuming that's getting the grey treatment as well?
Also, I have an idea for how to have Emperor Palpatine say 'Luke Skywalker' in the transmission, instead of 'young Skywalker'. However, it's too crazy, in my opinion, to be taken seriously. Some would call it 'thinking outside the box'. If said box is the Box of Sanity, I'd agree with them.
(...Man, I'm seriously gonna make or break my credibility on this site with this suggestion. All these people reading how crazy I am...)
My idea involves getting someone to imitate Ian McDiarmid's evil Emperor voice for the phrase "Luke Skywalker", and blending the word "Luke" into the dialogue we already have of Palpatine's. If the joint between Ian McDiarmid's dialogue and the newly recorded "Luke" is too obvious, perhaps a burst of static on the hologram could mask it. Who would do the extra Emperor dialogue, I don't know. Who would take this idea seriously... well, I guess I'll find out soon, won't I?
The Executor has always been a grey-blue colour but it looks horrible on the DVDs so i will be correcting the colour to be closer to its original colouring. Also the TIES are blue in this movie but were grey in ANH. Well that's not strictly true. In ANH the models were a grey-blue colour but due to '70's blue screen techniques they had to be changed to light grey during processing (if you look at some behind the scenes footage you will see that they were a grey-blue colour originally). Now i have received a couple of emails about me changing the colouring of the TIES to grey. One mentioned that the reason they were grey in ANH was because it was to signify the Death Star squadron. well i'm afraid this is another thing that has been made up to cover up the differences in colours. And here's my proof: If this was the case how come that all the Special edition CG TIES have a blue colouring? Surely if the whole Death Star Squadron colouring was true then they would have been grey wouldn't they? Also in Empire the blue colouring has been boosted during composition to bring out the blue but not all shots of the TIES have them as blue but grey. Also in Jedi the TIEs are a light grey with a slight hint of blue & again some shots they are blue, but more grey shots exist. The logical step is to make all the TIEs Grey for continuity.
As for the idea of recording a voice over for the Emperor to say Luke then i'm pretty sure it has been mentioned before somewhere and it is a good idea if it can be pulled off convincingly. The audio is going to be one of the last things i do all apart from this scene where i need to have the dialogue complete for editing purposes. so when i get round to this scene i'll see what i can do with it. Having the original dialogue, or as much as possible, has always been something i wanted to do from the start. The new dialogue is horrible and has to go. If this idea doesn't work then it will stay as "Young Skywalker" because that line still works miles better than how its been changed for the 2004 DVDs
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As for recording McDiarmid soundalikes, I would suggest that people perform all his lines from that scene, not just one word. They would just substitute 'young' with 'Luke'. That way, you can hear some flowing words and pick who sounds best overall.
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-It's the end of the battle at Death Star I. Han, Luke and (now) Chewie get their medals. The credits roll.
-At the very end of the credits there is about 7 or 8 seconds of complete silence against a starfield
-Darth Vader's TIE fighter pops in from hyperspace after being knocked out of the trench
-The camera pans with the ship as it flys by to reveal his destination...
-Behold a skeletal Death Star 2
-Slow fade to black.
-20 to 25 seconds from start to finish
This works completely because you know its going to come into play at some point and are left to wonder throughout ESB when it will. Its a "phantom menace" so to speak. When it doesn't play any role in ESB you then KNOW it will be very important in the last film. It's the cliffhanger that the original movie lacks because of its history back in 1977 as possibly being the only film that would ever be produced.
The original screenplays had multiple Death Stars in ROTJ so this isn't outside the realm of keeping with the original feel of the original trilogy.
This would be a huge reveal if you watch all 6 films in order because we've been introduced to the plans for a Death Star in AOTC, then we see the plans put into action in ROTS, then we see the final result in ANH. We are led to believe by the end of ANH that the threat was finally dealt with by our triumphant heroes. Little do we the viewer know that the 3 films (II, III, IV) we just watched, were leading us down a primrose path in regards to the Death Star. For 3 films we thought that there is only one killer space station yet lo' and behold, there is another in the works, but you have two wait two more films to find out more about it.
This is one of those ideas that I would kill to have the skills to pull it off myself. Since I do not, I leave the suggestion and ask for feedback. I know Ady doesn't particularly want to go back to ANHR but this seems to be a very logical (and enjoyable) answer to whether or not to reveal DSII before ROTJ.
I'd love feedback from you guys and Adywan too, even if its just your opinion on the idea itself. YES, I'm aware that this is ESBR, but this all ties in together doesn't it?
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"The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi"
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Your idea certainly has merit and I know a few posters here would like to see the second Death Star incorporated into ESBR, but I'm not of that ilk. I am very much pro-keeping each DS in their respective films. I don't think the 'skeletal' DS should even be in ROTS. In the shot as is (In ROTS) there's no real perspective as to what Vader/Palpatine are even looking at so to me it serves no real purpose to even be included aside from a ham-fisted attempt to bridge III and IV. Once ANH rolls around, the viewer could put one and one together to get two, but the DS was already alluded to in AOTC and that seems enough to me.
As far as incorporation of DSII into ESB, I think it'd be more of the same unnecessary FX and introduction of a new weapon best left to the movie in which it's actually used. I do like allusion in general in serials such as Star Wars, but limited to off-hand comments by characters which we then get to actually see in a future chapter.
Skipping to ROTJ, the audience gets a nice reveal of a new, partially completed DS in the opening scene after being told of its existence in the opening crawl. After seeing what the first DS could do in ANH, the viewer can sense a definite ominous presence to the new DS. I would actually like to see a more elaborate reveal of the Death Star II in ROTJ to give it a bigger sense of scale. I don't know how this would be possible, but it's one of the things that I think could be done better in the film (that and the horrible explosion of Executor into the DSII's surface at the end. Could that shot look more like a model and not a frickin' huge spaceship?).
I'm also not a huge fan of post-credits bonus scenes. If the shot's integral to the story, leave it in the film. If it's not, leave it on the cutting room floor or in the deleted scenes section of the DVD.
But, to each his own. My taste for film as well as my taste for Star Wars continually changes and who knows how I'll feel about all this years from now.
Good ideas, though. This is what makes the ot.com such a great place to hear others' views and get their input on what they like, hate, or want to see in the films we love. It's also why it's impossible to please everyone since our tastes can vary so much.
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the DS was already alluded to in AOTC and that seems enough to me.
the DS was already alluded to in AOTC and that seems enough to me.
It was? (I remember very little from the prequels, dialogue and detail-wise) Can you elaborate? Sounds interesting.
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When Luke and the guys are winding that dental floss around the legs of the walker, then the floss causes the walker to fall, come on, that is ridiculous, and looks so fake.
Maybe adding more fighters swarming around, more walkers, and more snow would mask how bad the special effects really were in that shot? Just my opinion....Keep up the great work...peace....
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yeah, i know people are throwing ideas out there..
but really, how much is needed to change..
oops...there's the purist in me talking...
goes back to watching the THX OOT...
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