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vbangle said:

Just google "indiana jones and the saucer men from mars"....
Just did. Eugghhh!

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DarkGryphon2048 said:

I'm not a rabid and over-tempermental Star Wars fan unlike the lot of you.

Hmm... well, let's see:

DarkGryphon2048 said:

Typical Star Wars fan-pessimism. Shove it up your ass and twist on it. So very irritating to always having to hear about your bitching and moaning about this shit.
The times I'll be watching this in theatres, I'm just gonna have damn fun watching this. In fact, I believe I only joined the forums more due to DigitalFreakNYC's Indiana Jones project compared to Star Wars. [...] So I'm not a typical OT.com forum member who'll always bash George Lucas. Shit with you guys about that gets old.
[...]Also damn glad Indiana Jones is finally making a comeback which he's so rightfully deserved. Now if I can only find the damn actiony figures dammit!:P


Yeah, you're not like those SW psychopaths, you're very calm and composed man :D

PS: On a serious note, I like the winter themes very much, Icewind Dale game comes to my mind!
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LMAO

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To be fair to George he never really could have met expectations for The Phantom Menace. Since its really his own fault for teasing fans for over a 20 year waiting period.

Still i don't blame him for not jumping right back into star wars after return of the jedi since star wars became painfully identified with his divorce, since Marcia and He split when jedi was in post production.

next followed Temple of Doom, was it any wonder this was a darker film both lucas and spielbergs marriages came apart at the seams.

the only good thing about Temple of doom was Spielberg met Kate Capshaw, the current mrs spielberg.

Lucas has yet to be remarry, but he is reportedly humbled by the fact that he raised three adopted children alone and they keep him grounded.

So George lost his way with the prequels it does not in any way mean he cannot make another good movie. as with any profession practice is everything, not directing in twenty years put one on shaky ground.

As been reported he moderately improved on Revenge of the Sith, he dedicated ten years of his lifeblood to the prequels and he says he enjoyed making them.

Star Wars 77 nearly killed him. it is no wonder why he prefers to do most things in post by computer it cuts down on the work that he the director has to do and removes stress from the situation.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I think that Lucas is GREAT at technical direction. Episodes I - III looked fantastic, and he truly did pull off some great things as a director in these areas. As for a Drama Director, no sir. The actors had a lot to do with how bad Episodes I - III turned out in that area too.

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the biggest letdown on Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of The Crystal SKull for me is that, the London Symphony Orchestra is not doing the score.

Hollywood Studio Orchestra is, lame.

What they could not go to abbey road studios in london?

another gripe i have kenneth wannberg is not involved.


Raiders is the best score because it was by the lso. Last Crusade was done with a studio orchestra and no way a bad score but something was lacking.

Well at least its williams and not Joel Mcneely who scored young indy.

I often find it funny that the boston pops scored temple of doom. they are a great orchestra and probably one of the five best in the u.s.a. but cannot come close to the LSO.

again Last Crusade was performed by the warner bros studio orchestra and released on wb records.

each score is done by a different orchestra, the only continuity between the first three was ken wannberg and John Williams. for the fourth just williams. and some no name dude i read about online.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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well it could be worse.... what if Hans Zimmer wrote the score to "KOTCS"?

(and I meant that as a bad thing)


besides, I really like the variation of the Indy theme on the last track in the KOTCS soundtrack.

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Lord Phillock said:

well it could be worse.... what if Hans Zimmer wrote the score to "KOTCS"?

(and I meant that as a bad thing)


besides, I really like the variation of the Indy theme on the last track in the KOTCS soundtrack.
I've pre-ordered the soundtrack to KotCS from Amazon and they're prepping it for shipment. It sucks there're complete OST's to the Star Wars Trilogy and not for Indiana Jones. 2-CD's each for them with tons of cues and the like.
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this just in from IMDB
If Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull turns out to be the kind of hit many industry observers expect, it's likely that a fifth Indy film will follow, the filmmakers told a news conference at the Cannes Film Festival on Sunday. Asked whether he'd make any more Indy sequels, Steven Spielberg replied, "Only if you want more of them." He added, "That's the reason why we made this Indiana Jones," explaining that no one has ever asked him to make a sequel to 1941 or Artificial Intelligence: AI. "So certainly we'll have our ear to the ground this summer and that will decide where we go from here." In an interview with FoxNews.com's Roger Friedman, George Lucas added, "I haven't even told Steven or Harrison this. But I have an idea to make Shia the lead character next time and have Harrison come back like Sean Connery did in the last movie. I can see it working out." That may be the only way Harrison Ford might return. He has previously told interviewers that Crystal Skull will be his last film as Indy.


Hmmm....

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Heard it before, still not impressed. Stupid George-O...

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I meant that as a bad thing of course... Shia as the new Indy? (pukes heart out)

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Lord Phillock said:

I meant that as a bad thing of course... Shia as the new Indy? (pukes heart out)


Shia is a terffic actor but he's not as rough and rugged as harrison is. he still looks 17.

saw the movie last night and thought it was wonderful. seeing it again tonight. really enjoy Shia...but at the same time, he needs some years before he takes over.
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Nobody needs to 'take over'. If somebody wrote a film about a fifties motorbike kid who finds himself on an Indy style adventure I imagine it could be ok. But why does it have to be an Indiana Jones spin off? Why must eveything be franchised to within an inch of it's life? Alien is a case in point - great one-off sci-fi horror film. Then they made an action sequel which was very good. I even didn't mind Alien 3... then we got alien ressurection, AVP, etc etc... and now it's just a cheap joke.

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I agree. There was a time when Brendan Fraser was being referred to as the new Indiana Jones due to the Mummy movies. I thought those movies were good fun. They weren't Indiana Jones and I don't think the directors were going for that. The point is that there's no reason why we need to have "Indiana Jones and the..." in the title at all. Find an actor, put him in some adventure clothes, and make a movie about him going on an adventure.

The Mummy, National Treasure, and several others have done it just fine. It doesn't need to be part of a franchise in order to be successful, it just needs to be good.
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I remember in the early 80's right after Raiders came out we had a number of "Indiana Jones" type knock off movies including the two low budget Allan Quatermain films "King Solomon's Mines" and "Allan Quatermain, and the Lost City of Gold" as well as "Romancing the Stone" and "The Jewel of the Nile". I'm sure there had been others.

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Romancing the Stone may have been inspired by Raiders but its much more than just a knock-off, its a terrific adventure film itself. Some people used to consider it the real sequel to Raiders rather than Temple of Doom. I wish they still made movies like Romancing the Stone. The closest we get is The Mummy and Tomb Raider, which are fun in their own, superficial way. But I don't recall any other explorer/jungle adventure film like Romancing the Stone that was made with adults in mind and had serious acting and writing. Everything sort of winks at the camera or is deliberately cheesy. Romancing the Stone was great because it had realistic characters written from an adult perspective--just like Raiders. Too bad its sequel sucked though, it could have been a very neat sort of alternative to Indiana Jones.
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zombie84 said:

Romancing the Stone may have been inspired by Raiders but its much more than just a knock-off, its a terrific adventure film itself. Some people used to consider it the real sequel to Raiders rather than Temple of Doom. I wish they still made movies like Romancing the Stone. The closest we get is The Mummy and Tomb Raider, which are fun in their own, superficial way. But I don't recall any other explorer/jungle adventure film like Romancing the Stone that was made with adults in mind and had serious acting and writing. Everything sort of winks at the camera or is deliberately cheesy. Romancing the Stone was great because it had realistic characters written from an adult perspective--just like Raiders. Too bad its sequel sucked though, it could have been a very neat sort of alternative to Indiana Jones.


I agree Zombie, Romancing the Stone is a great 80's flick, and that is because Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner are such great characters, and that is the difference today in these action movies, they rely too much on action/CGI instead of focusing on the characters to tell the story. Brendan Fraser in the Mummy and Angelina Jolie in Tomb Raiders are typical of movies today, one dimensional characters that take a backseat to the explosions and constant action.
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Hey guys! Looking forward to watching KOTCS tomorrow, I was messing around on Photoshop!

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yes, that's me. I have a ponytail.. just so you know what that hair is on my back...

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What about Sahara? I haven't seen it but it looked good.
And what the hell happened to Kathleen Turner? She used to be hot.

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Just got back from KOTCS.

-----SPOILERS AHEAD------

The Good:
- Harrison Ford can act again! Thank God, I thought we'd lost him for a bit there.
- Surprisingly, Shia LaBeouf (did I spell that right) was pretty awesome as well.
- It very much felt like an Indy movie
- The whole truck/boat car chase sequence was damned awesome
- Nice to see Indy's class is still full of hot teenage girls
- The Crystal Skull that forms the centerpiece of the movie is actually kinda cool, it feels a lot like the Shankara Stones from TOD.
- John Hurt's Oxley is fantastic.
- The "interrogation" scene.
- The whole catacombs/graveyard sequence was very creepy
- Best use of Indy's fear of snakes since Raiders' Well of Souls (still doesn't hold a candle to that, though)

The 'Meh':
- The warehouse sequence, especially seeing the Ark again. Not really necessary, and it kinda felt contrived.
- Indy miraculously getting his job back PLUS a promotion at the end. Huh?
- The wedding.
- Marion's return - don't get me wrong, Karen Allen is great, but she doesn't DO anything but tell Indy that Mutt is his son (though her contribution to the aforementioned truck chase sequence was awesome)
- The climax. I didn't have as big a problem with it as my friends did, but it was a bit over-CG'ed, and no real Raiders- or Crusade-esque face melting-like coolness to it.
- Aliens (sorry, "inter-dimensional beings"). Not bad, per se, and it's really just the ending that has the problem.
- The Crystal Skulls (I know, it's in the "good" section too). We never really get a sense of WHY it's so important to get them together, why the unknown "power" is supposed to be so good. Even 'Raiders' had that - we knew WHY they wanted the Ark, even if we didn't know what its true power was.
- Spalko. Don't get me wrong, Cate Blanchett was awesome, but as she's written, the character ties with Donovan as the worst villain of the series.

The Bad:
- Mutt's Tarzan scene.
- The nuclear blast/refrigerator escape.
- Shia almost donning the hat at the end.
- Some CGI moments (especially the end)
- No side adventure at the opening. In fact, I don't even know how the hell Indy managed to get in the trunk of Spalko's car to begin with. Not really detrimental to the overall story, but still kind of disconcerting.
- I couldn't detect ANY real new music. It felt like a "Greatest Hits of Indiana Jones" score, mostly drawn from Raiders. No theme for the Ruskies? Really? What about Mutt? Or Oxley? Or the Skulls?
- What they did to Brody's statue.

-----END SPOILERS-----

Yeah, I'm nitpicking a lot. I enjoyed it a LOT more than my list might let on, those are just some initial thoughts. I might think of more on a repeat viewing or over time, but as it stands, I'd give the movie a B-.

Best to least:

1. "Raiders" (A+)
2. "Last Crusade" (B-)
3. "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" (B-)
4. "Temple of Doom" (C)

"Crusade" and "Kingdom" are vying very closely for the #2 spot. I might have to consider them tied, myself. All in all, a very worthy - and not at all franchise-ruining - addition to the "Indiana Jones" saga.
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Saw it. Liked it. Didn't love it. Agree with most of the above post and dont have much to add.

Still--helluva movie. It was so much fun to see Harrison Ford as Indy. Mutt doing Tarzan was by the far the worst thing in the franchise. But I liked the ending--Mutt almost puts the hat on but then Indy takes it. Its like Spielberg acknowledging: "I know you all think we're going to have Mutt continue the Indy franchise but I'm not dumb enough to actually do it." Was a fun psyche.

All in all--good film, but by far the worst of the four. But this is Indiana Jones. The worst of Indiana Jones is still better than the best of James Bond and the best of The Mummy combined. But then I love Temple of Doom, so maybe most will think its the second-best. We always over-estimate new films because its so much fun to see it on the big screen, so I do think this will be seen as the fourth-best though. Its a good film, just not a great film, but I'm glad enough for a good one. Looking forward to seeing it again.
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I tend to agree mostly with ChainsawAsh. I was worried for a while there but it was fun to watch and that's what I was really hoping for. It's not as good as raiders but ties closer to it than the other films.

I thought the ending with Spalko [sp?] didn't really go anywhere, it probably would have been better if she'd escaped somehow.

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My problem with the ending is that it just became too "big," too much of a CGI spectacle, and it really didn't need to be. Plus we didn't need to see the goddamn saucer, they could have found another way to suggest that they traveled to another dimension.
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I just got back from seeing it and really loved it.... except for one thing.. the score! Where was the new music... themes! I want themes!! For all the other films, Williams wrote new and exciting material - that always got me super excited. But I have to say that this was the least creative work that Williams has ever done as far as I'm concerned. There were no cues that really got me "pumped" so to speak, and the use of material from The Last Crusade seemed really inappropriate.

But aside from the score (which wasn't "bad", just not really good), I really did enjoy the film. I had ALOT of fun watching the thing, and it kicks Temple of Doom's ass in my opinion.
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Yeah, I don't even really remember any music. I remember the Indy theme and some generic music, and I think they might have ripped off that mysterious "Ark of the Covenant" theme in the opening wharehouse sequence, but the music was bland and forgettable.