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I'd love to get a bunch of us together on a conference call or rent out a ballroom at the airport Hilton or something and get a roundtable going on about likes/dislikes of the OT and PT. That would prove interesting and probably would've helped Lucas punch out a fine PT if he had accepted that kind of fan input from day one. He could take it or leave it, but at least he'd know the pulse of the Star Wars fan community, a perspective he lacks (or lacked).

I've been a proponent of axing Boba from ROTJ for quite some time. His presence does help give closure to the Han/Jabba/Boba angle, but leaves a cool-looking and engaging character (due mostly to the mystery and costume) an unsatisfactory demise. Of course, in the context of his 'father' Jango's rather quick demise I guess it works. They're both arrogant and get what's coming to them as a result. And, Han gets a small bit of revenge even if by accident.

I thought AOTC would've fared better with Boba being the main bounty hunter. No Jango, just Bob A. Fett. Up until AOTC there was no canonical story of Boba's origins. Is he human, alien, robot, what? It would have been nice to continue the mystery. Have him show up, kick ass, win, and leave; not to be seen again until ESB. Then, when the audience sees him again in ESB, there would be this realization that this guy's a badass and our heroes are in real trouble now. Boba then goes on to win and exit stage right yet again. Not appearing in ROTJ would leave more storylines open for him post-ROTJ (even though I fully realize he technically 'escaped' the Sarlacc in the EU). Star Wars is populated by species who live for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Age shouldn't be a concern between the two time periods.

We could then be relieved of yet another "Star Wars Babies" storyline George seemed to love so much in the PT. (Nine year old Anakin? Nine year old Boba? Yoda with more hair and a "younger" appearance even though he's still over 800 years old? How much older could a being look between 860 and 900?)

But I digress. I'm very much pleased with the direction so far of ESBR. Restoring the original Boba's voice will be most welcome.

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teharri said:

I wish it could be a rule that you have to be able to show your idea in this thread. Things would get interesting.


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I vote for cutting out the first two-thirds of the movie....just start from the tie fighter reveal....

Ah wait this isn't the VI thread....damn.

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Hey Ady!

Some thoughts - only thoughts...

/braindump

OK... the Vader Head reveal... in "Building Empire" we see that he is supposed to be breathing off a ventilator as the helmet comes down. This is not too clear, and should be (kinda) easy to stick in, maybe even using a still? Makes it seem like Vader is more helpless without the armor.

Also, the back of Vader's head looks mighty good for a person who got burned that badly, and it does not match up with ROTJ. What do you think about adding a little extra nastiness to his noggin to make it look more forbidding. I mean, I remember thinking the scar was cool, but since ep6 and ep3, I think that if they got his skin that smooth, the scar should have been a cakewalk for Poppa V's plastic surgeon. And I know people who got skin grafts and they are not that smooth.

/end braindump

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Maybe Vader really didn't get that many grafts over the years, remember, EP5 is 22 years after EP3, a lot of healing time. I think that back of the head scar still looks nasty enough in ESB.


I must apologize for my persistance on keeping almost all SE editions, I just want to be able to watch all 6 films in order, without losing the newness of the SE editions which I believe for a large part help them gel more with the prequels. Sure, one can say I can just watch the 2004 DVDs, but I want the benefit of Ady's cleaned up version along with keeping SE additions. But I guess I cannot have it both ways. I just hope a lot of them (SE changes) stay, especially a lot of the windows and scenery added to Cloud City, and overall effects smoothed up and gaffes/goofs cleaned up (boom mike reflection in Luke's goggles on Hoth, Wampa arm performer exposed, Anthony Daniels chin showing thru the gap in the 3PO suit when Han yells "Deck officer!" on Hoth, etc, etc. To tell the truth, I don't mind going back to the old Wampa scene, that one never really mattered to me either way. I trust Ady to do a great job, I don't see how anyone could not trust in him after seeing ANH revisited. If in time he needs more donations for drive space and/or whatnot, I will be there with another donation as I am sure others will as well.
I am still very supportive of this project, and I sometimes throw things out there because I feel so strongly about them, and I even hope people with throw points out there that will convince me to change my mind.
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It takes a big man to apologize, so I will give credit were credit is due. I like it the most when we can all get along, despite not agreeing on everything.

I also don't think you have anything to worry about. The great thing about the 2004 dvds were that they were cleaned up, so that they have the same crisp image quality as new movies. That alone will help bridge them to the PT. And with ady's color correction, we will get even closer. Ady also said that he will keep most SE Cloud City windows. The wampa and the Vader shuttle sequence will go, but I don't think they neccessarily tie the movie closer to the PT.

In short: I think the final product will blow our minds away just like ANHR.
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This is my first edit I've been "involved" with from the ground up, and I just think its incredible how much freedom fan editors truly have. I mean think about it. We can have Boba Fett removed from RotJ. A few months ago I wouldn't have known that was possible.

I agree with Savage, I wish we could all meet in person and have a committee (of which Leia would have no part in). Even when we disagree here on the boards, I think we handle it pretty well. Each of us has our own opinions and experiences with the Saga. Some have grown up with the OOT, some appreciate the prequels more than others. I wish we all lived close or even in the same country...

Enough gushing, back to the issue at hand. Like I said, I never considered the fact that instead of fixing the way Boba dies, we can remove him altogether. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Just keep him confined to be awesome in ESB, and not let RotJ ruin it by making him one of the Three Stooges. He doesn't have any lines and he has nothing to do with the plot (except letting Han accidentally get revenge). The Bespin Betrayal plot line is resolved in Han not "accidentally" shooting Lando in the Sarlacc.

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adywan said:

Amras Felagund said:


When big-time work on ESBR begins, do you plan to retain the blue tint that the TIEs in ESB and ROTJ have had since 1980, or are they gonna be made light-grey to match up with ANHR?

I'm hoping to make them the light grey like in ANHR


Awesome. I look forward to all your colour-rectifying overall, as much as any enhancements that are done, and to see the 'Empire' TIES match the 'A New Hope' one's colouration will be terrific if you can manage that Adywan. I really didn't like their change to a 'bluer' look in the first place... And seeing a lot of the overall SE's 'blue hue' reverted back to a more natural colouration will be great, as shown in the recent shots put up here.

doubleofive - Another nice mock-up back there, giving a taste of what Adywan may give us where the shuttle is concerned. Thanks for these.
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ImperialFighter said:

doubleofive - Another nice mock-up back there, giving a taste of what Adywan may give us where the shuttle is concerned. Thanks for these.


Thanks IF. I wish I could do more, but I lack the GOUT to pull elements from the original versions for my mock-ups. I'd love to do the mock-up for my "windows closing on Cloud City" idea, but I'd need the original window/wall. Does anyone have the GOUT that is willing to take screenshots for me?

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First-time poster, blown away by Ady's EP4-R, can't wait for more!

doubleofive said:

The Bespin Betrayal plot line is resolved in Han not "accidentally" shooting Lando in the Sarlacc.

Which reminds me of another ROTJ change that Ady could make. In this scene, the original lines of dialog were:
Han - Don't move, Lando!
Lando - No, wait! I thought you were blind!
Han - It's all right. Trust me!
Lando - A little higher! Just a little higher!

In the SEs, Han's second line was changed to "It's all right, I can see a lot better!", which was shoehorned in and always sounded "rushed" to me. IMHO, the original line harkens to the "resolving the Bespin betrayal" concept, and flows a lot better. (I'm not a knee-jerk Lucas hater, but this is one of the few SE/2004 changes that totally baffled me.) It seems to me that Ady could restore the original dialog easily, as the background music during that sequence hasn't changed.
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MJPollard said:

doubleofive said:

The Bespin Betrayal plot line is resolved in Han not "accidentally" shooting Lando in the Sarlacc.

Which reminds me of another ROTJ change that Ady could make. In this scene, the original lines of dialog were:
Han - Don't move, Lando!
Lando - No, wait! I thought you were blind!
Han - It's all right. Trust me!
Lando - A little higher! Just a little higher!

In the SEs, Han's second line was changed to "It's all right, I can see a lot better!", which was shoehorned in and always sounded "rushed" to me. IMHO, the original line harkens to the "resolving the Bespin betrayal" concept, and flows a lot better. (I'm not a knee-jerk Lucas hater, but this is one of the few SE/2004 changes that totally baffled me.) It seems to me that Ady could restore the original dialog easily, as the background music during that sequence hasn't changed.


I kind of like both lines. I wish we could have it be:

Han - Don't move, Lando!
Lando - No, wait! I thought you were blind!
Han - It's all right. I can see a lot better!
Lando - A little higher! Just a little higher!
Han - Trust me!


But I doubt it would work.

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Not get too much on the ROTJ one, but if the Jabba Palace number is gonna be removed, is Oola's fall into the pit gonna be shown?
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has work been done on the side view of the emperor hologram? I know we have seen the front( which looks awesome), but how about the side.
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Savage said:

I'd love to get a bunch of us together on a conference call or rent out a ballroom at the airport Hilton or something and get a roundtable going on about likes/dislikes of the OT and PT. That would prove interesting and probably would've helped Lucas punch out a fine PT if he had accepted that kind of fan input from day one. He could take it or leave it, but at least he'd know the pulse of the Star Wars fan community, a perspective he lacks (or lacked).


Ady did hold a conference on MSN for a few selected people last year for the Ep IV revisit. It would be cool to be able to get us round a table physically, but wouldn't that make us 'a committee'...? :p I like the idea of possibly doing another MSN conference later on once Ady's got into the meat of the next edit - if he's up for one, that is.

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Sevb32 said:

Not get too much on the ROTJ one, but if the Jabba Palace number is gonna be removed, is Oola's fall into the pit gonna be shown?

Good question. I don't think the scene was needed, per se, but how cool was it that she reprised the role after so many years? :) As far as SE additions go, that one never bothered me.

The MSN idea is a good one if Ady is willing. That's one thing I kinda wished I'd been in on when I read about the first one. I downloaded the transcript of it, too.

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astromech said:

Ady did hold a conference on MSN for a few selected people last year for the Ep IV revisit.


I forgot all about that. I wasn't able to make it the last time, but did get the transcript as well as he clip he provided at the time. Good stuff, and I would imagine, helpful in the long run.

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At the moment i just want to throw the PC out of the window. i'm about half way through the first colour correction pass and its a bloody nightmare. About 1000 times worse than ANH. Some shots are almost beyond repair. The blue tint is so bad in some shots its going to take about 30 separate colour layers to even try to fix them. There are also some bad colour issues with the GOUT so trying to match the colours with that are no longer an option. I wish i could get hold of a Pre-THX release of ESB so i can see what the colours looked like before any form of correction was done, but that's going to be impossible. I never got this stressed out on the first colour pass with ANH. Maybe ESB isn't going to be as easy to do as i first thought.

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I know that there was the Japanese Laserdisc colleciton preservation; someone could send that your way, I hope. I don't have it, otherwise I would.

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Is it bad that I never noticed the color problems with any of the movies until I saw the first Revisited screenshots? It seems inexcusable to have destroyed the color in this way. I was thinking earlier that maybe its a good thing that they didn't remaster the OOT, or you might not have a color guide at all. Everything might be blue!

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adywan said:

I wish i could get hold of a Pre-THX release of ESB so i can see what the colours looked like before any form of correction was done, but that's going to be impossible. I never got this stressed out on the first colour pass with ANH. Maybe ESB isn't going to be as easy to do as i first thought.


point me to some links of the version you want.
if thats on laserdisc, i'll get it..
i have the ability to do video capture now..
[update] are these the versions?
http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-WARS-THE-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-Laserdisc-LD_W0QQitemZ120263452918QQihZ002QQcategoryZ381QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(that one is pan and scan)..here is another series:
http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-WARS-Trilogy-on-LaserDisc-LD-Harrison-Ford_W0QQitemZ190223640064QQihZ009QQcategoryZ381QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


just started playing around with the FACES-THX version of ANH,
and will be getting the definitive boxset soon..

i guess i should get the CED versions/players, and pre THX versions
also..

let us know how to help..

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Any collectors out there with 35mm archival prints from the original release? ;)

Seriously, I've got some first release Betamax copies lying around my folks' house. I could dig them out if you'd like. That is if you happen to have an NTSC Betamax unit to play them....

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adywan said:

I wish i could get hold of a Pre-THX release of ESB so i can see what the colours looked like before any form of correction was done, but that's going to be impossible. I never got this stressed out on the first colour pass with ANH. Maybe ESB isn't going to be as easy to do as i first thought.


point me to some links of the version you want.
if thats on laserdisc, i'll get it..
i have the ability to do video capture now..
[update] are these the versions?
http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-WARS-THE-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-Laserdisc-LD_W0QQitemZ120263452918QQihZ002QQcategoryZ381QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(that one is pan and scan)..here is another series:
http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-WARS-Trilogy-on-LaserDisc-LD-Harrison-Ford_W0QQitemZ190223640064QQihZ009QQcategoryZ381QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


just started playing around with the FACES-THX version of ANH,
and will be getting the definitive boxset soon..

i guess i should get the CED versions/players, and pre THX versions
also..

let us know how to help..

later
-1


I have the "Definitive" big box LD and the "Faces" LD set, but they are both THX-ed. If they will be of help, I am willing to loan them to ya. (I want them back though!)

Have you looked into any of the Malaysian or Chinese bootlegs of the old school OT? I have no idea what kind of master they are from, but I have them too. Probably an LD in their lineage somewhere.

Also, I MIGHT be able to get ahold of a 3/4 inch tape copy that the father of an old buddy made of ESB when it first came out (in other words, a bootleg cam of the original release on old broadcast equipment), but it would only be good for reference IF he was willing to pony it up due to the age of the tapes, and I have NO way to play it back. I will ask... beg actually... He also has "the Revenge of Jed and I" as it is labled, and I can tell you that THAT one looks like crap on modern equipment... I have a copy on VHS. All soft and washed out...
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See, Ady? Ask and ye shall receive! ;)

I once saw the trilogy on CEDs at a flea market. Though I would've had no way to play them, I sometimes wish I had bought them anyway. (they may have been pricey, though, I can't remember) They'd look great framed on the wall.

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