adywan said:
Sevb32 said:
Sure Needa says get a shuttle ready, but instead of showing the shuttle leaving, wouldn't they show it going up into the underbelly of the Executer. Not just first leaving? And even if this is the case, why do you feel the need to change it? Simply because you don't like the design of the shuttle? You assume all imperials use the the same type shuttle? Change it because you can?
No, because the Lambda class shuttle became the ship that the imperial use from ROTJ onwards (including the SE ESB)> the Lambda makes more sense and visually it represents the imperial shuttle, not the shuttle we see in ESB. A Lambda style shuttle can even be seen in ROTS so, to me, this point to the fact that it is the shuttle the imperials use. To me that shuttle in ESB looks like Vaders TIE with the wings facing outwards instead of inwards. As for why we see it coming from the stardestroyer and not going into the underbelly of the Executor well thats because this shot works perfectly, showing the audience both its original location and its destination. We know that its Needa in the shuttle because it comes from the stardestroyer. If we just saw it entering the underbelly then that visual marker is lost.
Sevb32 said:
The fact that the new Vader shuttle sequences all combined last less than 20 seconds. Oh the tedious slowness! Some here carry on like they last 5 or 10 minutes.
I don't think you get what everyone is on about and why the new sequences don't fit. Watch the pre-SE version of the escape from Bespin and then watch the SE version. Look how those new additions completely cut the pace of that sequence. We don't need any visual explanation that Vader gets in his shuttle and flies to his stardestroyer. The original "bring my shuttle" line perfectly explained this. This became one of the big problems with the PT. There were conversations and scenes that tried to explain things when it wasn't needed and they just became boring.
Sevb32 said:
Were only in a debate if I say something, if anyone else says anything, it's for some reason OK.
thats not strictly true. The main reason people are getting angry towards your suggestions is that, after i have explained in detail (sometimes recently NUMEROUS amounts of times) why i will be taking out the shots you personally like you still push and push it. Making suggestions is one thing but you then seem to campaign for your suggestion to be taken notice of even after i have said the reasons why i wouldn't be including it . You then make remarks like this:
Sevb32 said:
If those elements of Vader's shuttle leaving Bespin and docking in the Star Destroyer were in there since the 1980 release of Empire, would so many of you be so gung-ho to remove them? I don't think so.
Well to answer than then YES i would still remove them, the same way i edited the Ben hut scene in ANH and the same way i'll be doing a lot of editing when i get round to ROTJ. Some people recently seem to be turning this into a "you all hate the SE's so thats why you want all the changes gone" type of argument. This isn't the case. I like the SE's but not all the additions worked at all. Seeing the Wampa was great after all the years of not really seeing him but it also took away the mystery of that creature so i want to return that scene to having that mystery so no more wampa. I love the fly-through with the pod car in cloud city because it does show some of the scale of the city and i feel that it brings us into the following shot nicely. The Sarlaac i like although it does look like the flower from Little shop of horrors, but the musical number is horrendous so i'll be getting rid of that, and Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw, well don't get me started on that....
Sevb32 said:
Obviously Ady, can do whatever the hell he wants, but all I am suggesting is that he leaves these in, I am not arguing about the "Bring My Shuttle" line, I want it back, but it would be nice to keep any shots of the cloud city environment if at all possible. Crop that shuttle on the landing platform just out of frame so the old line works.
Well unfortunately it still doesn't work. The original line only exists in stereo format with the music clearly heard. The music was changed for the SE so the new line wouldn't fit so returning it to the original scene is the only way to go, plus we really don't need that extra shot of Vader anyway. Never have and never will.
Like i said check the original first and then look at the SE. The original works & flows together so much better while the SE just becomes a series of clips. All the shuttle shots are going and that is my last word on the subject.
