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zombie84 said:



I gotta disagree on that one. People wanted to love TPM, and they were ready to, but it just didn't deliver.


Yep. I gotta agree with Zombie. I heard the news talking about all the bad reviews for TPM the day before I went to see it, but I just shrugged that off deciding that obviously the idiots who were reviewing this movie have no idea what they are talking about, and are obviously not Star Wars fans by any means. I absolutely new I was going to love the hell out of this film, there was no doubt in my mind. Even while sitting in the theater watching the dumb think I kept thinking "well, that was pretty retarded, but we can over look that..." "man, this Jar Jar thing is annoying, but I am sure he wont be in too much of the movie..." and so on. Even after coming home from the movie and feeling disappointed I decided to see it again and try to over look the bad. My whole experience with TPM was a constant lowering of standards.

Maybe it couldn't have been as good as the OT, and I was not expecting it to be any where near as good, but I did expect it to be at least enjoyable... come on enjoyable is not hard to reach... even 300 was enjoyable... as much as I hated X-Men 3, I still found it enjoyable to watch...

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bigbaddaddyvader said:

Yes because an archaeologist scouring the world and battling Nazis for the lost ark of the covenant and then battling crazy heart-ripping,voodoo doll using (in India) cultists to retrieve three magic stones and then just for good measure finding the holy grail,no less,after searching through tombs in Venice while battling impossibly hot blond Nazi chicks and getting Herr Hitler's autograph in the process is SO completely feasible.

IJ&TOD is my least favorite part in the trilogy and I do find its plot to be waaay too close to a B-movie.

bigbaddaddyvader said:

Damn come on!It's an Indiana Jones movie!Feasibility of plots and stories is not a concern,is it?

Up to a certain point. If I'm going to watch a superhero movie (Spiderman, Superman or whateverman) I know there will be people who can fly or who can jump over a building or who can do other ridiculous stuff. This doesn't mean that the plot is made of rubber and that its improbability can be stretched ad infinitum.
As I said, I'm not a nitpicker: "oh, Afrikakorps appeared only in 1940s, while we see its sign already in 1936", "oh, these aren't the real Messerschmitts Bf 109 as they should be, damn couldn't they make the prop planes look more like their real-life counterparts?". But I don't like the concept of going back to that warehouse, period. And to say this I didn't need to know the exact plot twists which would lead Indy there, zombie...

bigbaddaddyvader said:

Damn come on!It's an Indiana Jones movie!Feasibility of plots and stories is not a concern,is it?

Well, some people have fairly low standards, e.g.: they will buy anything with STAR WARS or Indiana Jones logo on it, no matter whether it's a good or bad product. I'm not one of them.
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RRS-1980 said:

[And to say this I didn't need to know the exact plot twists which would lead Indy there, zombie...


Thats not what you were talking about. You were talking about the very fact that a soviet character is seen in a publicity photo to be in an American base. Whether that is feasible or not is entirely unknown because we have no idea what the plot is, what the circumstances of her being there are, who the character even is, how its explained, etc, etc. To bitch about this based on a vague publicity photo is just dumb. Wait for the film and find out what the actual story is and then bitch.
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My point is that the Indy movies are not some gritty kitchen-sink Ken Loach affair.They are,by nature and essence,far-fetched.If you see the movie and dont like it-well that's another thing entirely and is fair enough.To start complaining before it's out and particularly about the feasibility of stories is,well,far-fetched....
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Maybe I'm just a man of small faith ;)
I saw the original theatrical release of the Old Trilogy on the big screen and I'm proud of it...
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New trailer looks good... definitely sounds like an Indiana-style adventure.

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Well, I know what is going to happen with this one- audiences will initially say its good, then a few weeks later we will all hate it. At least the critics and people at OT.com will know it sucks from the get-go, regardless if the trailer is very good.
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I know it will be fun to see Indiana Jones in the theater again after all these years. I know I'll greatly enjoy this movie on that level. However, I let myself get my hopes up for Revenge of the Sith and actually convinced myself that it was good for a while there. This time I'm going into the theater with a mental condom.

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I am being cautiously optimistic...or as cautious as I can get. Indiana Jones films are some of my all-time favorites, and after a new Rocky, a new Die Hard, and a new Rambo (all of which were fabulous) I'm psyched for a new Indy. The trailer looks good. The plot sounds very typical of an Indy film; yeah, I know it will be about aliens, but all of the films have been ridiculous. The acting and writing make it feasable. They're making a lot of good moves with the film, including bringing back Marion from the first one; she's by far the best Indy girl, and part of what makes Raiders such a great movie.

The only thing that makes me nervous is Shia LaBeouf...don't get me wrong, I think the kid is a good, fun actor in his own territory (like Transformers) but will he fit with Indy? I don't think bad acting will be the downfall of the character, because LaBeouf can act, but will a teenage cyclist fit with the Indy formula? I'm one of the few people I know who liked Short Round, and Mutt can't be any worse, right?

Anyway, I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic, but the truth is, I can't wait for this movie. Give me this, The Dark Knight, and Quantum of Solace (the new Bond film) and that's all the cinema I need this year.
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I actually love the idea of a Greaser biker character, fits with the era of the movie, its fun but also kind of hip, and with LaBeuf in the role that gives me confidence that they won't make it too cool, that they will be able to make it lighter and more human, maybe like Paul La Mat's character in American Graffiti (for instance, if they had Orlando Bloom in the role, I'd be worried that it'd be too image-conscious). And it makes for a good contrast like in Last Crusade, I can imagine cranky old Indy not exactly fitting in with a wanna-be-hipster.
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unlike with the prequels the screenplay as far as i know of is not being published ahead of time or the novelization, comic book or soundtrack to spoil it.

people were able to read the script for phantom menace or attack of the clones ahead of time and went into the theater thinking "man this is going to suck"

is you can get your hands on an adanced review copy of the novelization or somehow be lucky enough to see an advance screening maybe someone can review it and tell the rest of us whether it sucks or not so we can save our 12 dollars for something else.

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Isn't whether it sucks or not completely subjective?
How will you know if you like it or not without seeing it?Do you rely on other people to make your mind up for everything in life?

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I have to say any 4th movie in a movie series that comes out you have to take with a grain of salt, and can't expect too much from it. Remember Leathal Weapon IV? Superman IV? The Phantom Menace?

I think this will be on par with TOD & LC, as good sequels that are entertaining, and essentially not really needed, but a diehard will still enjoy it. The one thing I don't like is having Marion come back, as the great thing about each Indy movie is that he essentially had a different love interest each movie, a different sidekick, and that is what makes each one original in that respect. As much as I love her character from Raiders, and love Connery as Indy's dad, I don't want to see them in sequels after the fact, cause they give each movie their own identity.
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Today the Indiana Jones DVDs were re-released, each seperately, like the GOUT. Has anyone gotten these yet and are the new special features worthwhile?
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Number20 said:

Today the Indiana Jones DVDs were re-released, each seperately, like the GOUT. Has anyone gotten these yet and are the new special features worthwhile?
Only really are the image galleries. More focus in the extras for the new film instead of the film the disc is for. Same type of menu and transfer from the 2003 set.
Yes, I'm MUCH more of a fan of Indiana Jones and we don't have whiners unlike Star Wars fans. No, I'm not a fellow OT.com person since I hold the Indiana Jones series far above Star Wars, even though I like both. What I don't like about the Star Wars fanboyism is the perpetual and incessant bashing of George Lucas. Hasn't ANYONE ever seen WILLOW or Francis Ford Coppola's Tucker: The Man and His Dream? Both are LucasFilm Ltd. properties. Oh, if it isn't Star Wars it isn't from George Lucas!
What the fuck is this about there being another Star Wars film being released to theatres? You guys probably would eat up that shite anyway. Too much overexposure of Star Wars has gotten VERY tiring and for one I'm welcoming a new Indiana Jones movie.
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Opinion seems to be the new extras are thin but pretty cool all the same (they are only 30 minutes each for each film) but if you have the previous set theres no need to buy this. The extras are really just a bonus for those that don't have the films or want one or two of them individually. Theres no doubt going to be a 4-film set this christmas, so maybe then we'll get all the extras from both sets plus some new material.
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paying for the storyboards as special features is ludicrous especially since they were once on the indianajones.com website for free.

first they were only available as dvdrom material link for the 2003 set, then they were free to everyone, then mysteriously pulled.

hmm kinda like the missing directors's commentary and deleted scenes that were promised for the 2003 release are not on that release or even the 2008.

plus their are hi def transfers for these films but no blu ray disc is forthcoming.

anyone with half a brain will refuse to be triple dipped on standard dvd.

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skyjedi2005 said:

paying for the storyboards as special features is ludicrous especially since they were once on the indianajones.com website for free.

first they were only available as dvdrom material link for the 2003 set, then they were free to everyone, then mysteriously pulled.

hmm kinda like the missing directors's commentary and deleted scenes that were promised for the 2003 release are not on that release or even the 2008.

plus their are hi def transfers for these films but no blu ray disc is forthcoming.

anyone with half a brain will refuse to be triple dipped on standard dvd.
If you didn't know, Spielberg doesn't prefer doing commentaries. Thanks for being so very sarcastic too. I for one welcome the new Indiana Jones movie and will just have fun watching it in theatres.
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DarkGryphon2048 said:

Yes, I'm MUCH more of a fan of Indiana Jones and we don't have whiners unlike Star Wars fans.

Hey, I'm still here :D ;)
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Want proof that George Lucas is out of his mind and that this Indy movie will suck?

Just google "indiana jones and the saucer men from mars"....it was thought it was a rumor that it was GL idea for the movie's script but that Spielberg and Harrison Ford didn't like it....but knowing what we know of the movie's plot it looks like George finally got his way, at least to some degree....this movie will suck. Trust me, George Lucas will see to it...

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"Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars"?

I love that Title!!!

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FanFiltration said:

"Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars"?

I love that Title!!!
A very 1950's B-movie feel to that title too.
Anyone ever watch the original black and white The Quatermass Xperiment? Holy geez, it felt like the movie was made yesterday due to the pacing and solid acting. Ray Harryhousen, The Incredible Shrinking Man, The Day the Earth Stood Still, all great serious and also fun 1950's and such films.
On TCM the other day, more like a few weeks ago, there was a film with Harry Belafonte where he was one of the last people on Earth. It was in B&W in 2.35:1. Forgot the name of it but it was actually quite good.

Don't forget, there was also a Monkey King script Chris Columbus wrote before or after Last Crusade was made. It's too bad Iron Phoenix and Spear of Destiny weren't made into games a la Fate of Atlantis like they were intended to.
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vbangle said:

Want proof that George Lucas is out of his mind and that this Indy movie will suck?

Just google "indiana jones and the saucer men from mars"....it was thought it was a rumor that it was GL idea for the movie's script but that Spielberg and Harrison Ford didn't like it....but knowing what we know of the movie's plot it looks like George finally got his way, at least to some degree....this movie will suck. Trust me, George Lucas will see to it...
Typical Star Wars fan-pessimism. Shove it up your ass and twist on it. So very irritating to always having to hear about your bitching and moaning about this shit.
The times I'll be watching this in theatres, I'm just gonna have damn fun watching this. In fact, I believe I only joined the forums more due to DigitalFreakNYC's Indiana Jones project compared to Star Wars. I'm not a rabid and over-tempermental Star Wars fan unlike the lot of you. So I'm not a typical OT.com forum member who'll always bash George Lucas. Shit with you guys about that gets old.
Actually, in all honesty, I do feel let down this film doesn't take place in wintertime. I've always wanted to see a silver screen adventure with Indiana Jones where he travels to rocky terrain in the snowy dusk of winter. Feels like the films have this Spring and Summer feel to them. Nothing for the Fall or Winter? It's what I enjoyed the most re-watching Raiders of the Lost Ark in the Nepal scene at the Ravenwood Bar. Hell, even Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine and Indiana Jones and the Iron Phoenix, video game and comic book respectively, both had major snowy cold winter environs. More like a modern take of Lost Horizon and all that stuff on Shangri La would've been keen. Although Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow followed on that. Call of Duty 2, the Russian campaign, Nazi's had these very cool looking cold winter gear which felt more in the lines of Indiana Jones and even Castle Wolfenstein. I was even playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein the other day and felt the tonality and atmosphere was completely in line with Indiana Jones. I own both the PC and XBOX versions of Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
Also damn glad Indiana Jones is finally making a comeback which he's so rightfully deserved. Now if I can only find the damn actiony figures dammit!:P
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DarkGryphon2048 said:

Typical Star Wars fan-pessimism. Shove it up your ass and twist on it. So very irritating to always having to hear about your bitching and moaning about this shit.


Is typical Star Wars fan unnecessary-hostility really any better?

Personally, I can't blame certain people for being pessimistic, I mean they gave Lucas the benefit of the doubt three times in the last nine years, and each time he failed to deliver. But I don't think theres reason to be pessimistic because this is really Spielberg's film, and he does not make movies like Attack of the Clones so theres not going to be "I hate sand" scenes, especially with David Koep at the typewriter.
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zombie84 said:

DarkGryphon2048 said:

Typical Star Wars fan-pessimism. Shove it up your ass and twist on it. So very irritating to always having to hear about your bitching and moaning about this shit.


Is typical Star Wars fan unnecessary-hostility really any better?

Personally, I can't blame certain people for being pessimistic, I mean they gave Lucas the benefit of the doubt three times in the last nine years, and each time he failed to deliver. But I don't think theres reason to be pessimistic because this is really Spielberg's film, and he does not make movies like Attack of the Clones so theres not going to be "I hate sand" scenes, especially with David Koep at the typewriter.
I dunno about you but I enjoyed Rise of the Sith. Could be I only own the Limited Edition 2-Disc releases, sold off the individual 2004 DVD releases, kept the boxset with the fourth disc and only own RotS from the Prequel Trilogy?
Honestly, I couldn't give a shit there's ANOTHER Star Wars film hitting cinemas. I'll pass and rent it on Netflix. Same goes for my animosity towards The Force Unleashed when Indiana Jones fans such as myself wanted that new Indiana Jones game. But no, Star Wars fans were bitching and moaning for yet another Star Wars game to keep them satisfied. In all honesty, I stopped collecting everything Star Wars, and focused my collecting money more towards Indy.
And no idea why Indy fans got the comic book versions of the intended "videro" games for Spear of Destiny and Iron Phoenix? Indiana Jones fans have gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to merchandise compared to Star Wars.
I do enjoy both LucasFilm properties but my preference if I had to choose between the two, my choice is Indiana Jones.
Although I would buy the Young Indiana Jones DVD's but they're a bit pricey and don't contain the broadcast versions. I can understand why they didn't go the broadcast route as all episodes weren't in fact broadcast. No bookends with Old eye-patch Indy? Documentaries more focused on the educational and not behind-the-scenes for the series? Sub-par based from broadcast resolution videro? I mean c'mon! What is this?! These were all shot on 16mm with post-processing done on computer. Couldn't they have based the transfers directly from the film negative and used the final computer shit? One of my favourite shows I used to watch in my early preteens and now it's practically a rental. Also sorta tepid to be let down it was more edumacatuional compared to the Adventure feel of the films, video games and even the 1990's Bantam book series. Might as well rent the three Volumes anyway from Netflix.