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Ripplin said:

Once the non-teaser trailers and regular update videos start coming in, I dunno if I want to watch them. In a way, it would be great to see the progress, but on the other hand, I hate spoilers. :p


Having looked at all the teaser stuff for ANHR, I think that Ady will be able to keep some of the changes a surprise.

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The thing is, some of the new stuff will be discussed in detail anyway, as it was with ANH: Revisited, so I doubt there will be any surprises I will be able to avoid...that are known to those reading this thread, that is. Heh heh hehhhh. ;)

I just hope that the majority of the new effects and, y'know, BIG surprises are kept a bit hush hush. I'm sure there will be a good balance.

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I think the best place for a DSII construction shot would be in the background of the Imperial Fleet reveal before they leave for Hoth. It doesn't need to be intrusive at all, just there in the background - the fleet's gathered near Endor, getting information back from their probe droids while protecting the weak new Death Star until Vader gets the information about Hoth and they leave for the ice planet.

My two cents on that one, anyway.
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ChainsawAsh said:

I think the best place for a DSII construction shot would be in the background of the Imperial Fleet reveal before they leave for Hoth. It doesn't need to be intrusive at all, just there in the background - the fleet's gathered near Endor, getting information back from their probe droids while protecting the weak new Death Star until Vader gets the information about Hoth and they leave for the ice planet.


I still don't think the DSII should be seen at all in Empire but, if it were done, that's the best idea I've heard so far.

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ChainsawAsh said:

I think the best place for a DSII construction shot would be in the background of the Imperial Fleet reveal before they leave for Hoth. It doesn't need to be intrusive at all, just there in the background - the fleet's gathered near Endor, getting information back from their probe droids while protecting the weak new Death Star until Vader gets the information about Hoth and they leave for the ice planet.

My two cents on that one, anyway.


keep in mind that the emperor was baiting them with reports of an incomplete detah star. In ROTJ it was fully armed and operational - even shielded. So there'd be no need for them to be protecting it.

It might be cool to see but i can't think of anywhere that it would fit nicely in ESB. And in the end it doesn't really need to be seen / mentioned at all. It'd just be a novelty.
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I'm of the opinion that DSII should stay in RotJ only. If we spend all this time referencing future events, we'll be just as bad as Lucas.

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doubleofive said:

I'm of the opinion that DSII should stay in RotJ only. If we spend all this time referencing future events, we'll be just as bad as Lucas.

Yeah, on a sorta related note, I kinda like it when things like that are left alone. Boba Fett's mystery, for example. Another non-Star Wars related one is the episode of "Deep Space Nine" where they go back to the original Star Trek. That scene where the guys are in the bar and see a Klingon. They're like 'THAT's a Klingon? What happened?' And Worf simply says something like 'we do not discuss that with outsiders.' And that's all we ever needed. But then "Enterprise" made their own explanation and took the fun away from Worf's statement. B'oh!

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I agree that it should stay in ROTJ only, it was just my suggestion for a non-intrusive way to do it that wouldn't detract from EMPIRE as a viewing experience at all.
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^^ Not a bad idea...I just think no matter what it'll stick out.
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I am agreeing that a death star II appearance would be intrusive in the film, or at the least needlessly distracting, but i do have an idea:

earlier in the film, ie when the super star destroyer is first seen, endor could be viewed in the background, but WITHOUT the DSII. this would hopefully allow the viewer to subconsciously be familiar with the moon.

the film could progress as usual and then eventually end, then after the credits as a bonus (though it may seem painfully cliche) we could see the imperial fleet drifting around endor, like earlier in the film, then slowly pan left to distantly reveal a very de-constructed DSII.
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ben_danger said:

I am agreeing that a death star II appearance would be intrusive in the film, or at the least needlessly distracting, but i do have an idea:

earlier in the film, ie when the super star destroyer is first seen, endor could be viewed in the background, but WITHOUT the DSII. this would hopefully allow the viewer to subconsciously be familiar with the moon.

the film could progress as usual and then eventually end, then after the credits as a bonus (though it may seem painfully cliche) we could see the imperial fleet drifting around endor, like earlier in the film, then slowly pan left to distantly reveal a very de-constructed DSII.


I like, no love the idea of having them in orbit around Endor looking for the Rebels, with no Death Star visible. I also like the post credits idea. After all the music is done, just show the fleet and pan over to the Death Star shell from Ep3, maybe with just the soft version of the Imperial March playing very quietly in the background, like they are building the March as well. That way, if people don't like it, they can just stop watching before they get there! It also goes around my rule of "No DSII in ESB" since ESB is over by that point.

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that would mean they went from a shell to fully operational in the time it took the rebels to rescue Han solo...And almost 20 years to build the first one. I tmight work better if it was closer to ROTJ in design or even the same, as tho they stopped contruction to focus on other things.

Overall though, I just don't think it fits, even as a post credit sequence. I'm sure you all would be apalled by such a scene had it been implemented by Lucasfilm.






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True, if Lucas had done it, we'd be appalled. I do like the idea of having the fleet in orbit around Endor though, hinting at the importance, but not showing why just yet. A "phantom menace" if you will.

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HotRod said:

Well the thing that's always bugged me with Empire is the Snow on the Wookie's foot...I'm sure something can be done there!

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I think it would be okay to show DS2 in ESB, but if and only if

1. The scene is placed at the very end of the film (probably after the scene with Lando in the Falcon and Luke's new hand, but before could be made to work too),

2. The scene (at least in part) utilises the footage from the ROTS finale with Tarkin 'shopped out, with perhaps an establishing shot over Endor to set it off from the preceding scene with Vader, and

3. Said footage is subsequently cut from Adywan's ROTS Revisited edit.

I think the end of ESB is much better than the end of ROTS to show a cliffhanger Death Star, for two reasons: How did they take 19 years to build DS1 but only 3 to have DS2, a bigger station, mostly built and fully functional? Also, the inclusion of DS1 in ROTS detracts from the cliffhanger, at least if you're watching them in story order, whereas in ESB it could enhance it.

I'm not really fussed about the inclusion of the scene in ESB — but I do think it makes much more sense here than in ROTS and would like to see it cut from ROTS when it comes to that.

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RoccondilRinon said:

I'm not really fussed about the inclusion of the scene in ESB — but I do think it makes much more sense here than in ROTS and would like to see it cut from ROTS when it comes to that.


Good point about the time frame thing, unless they started building both DSs at the same time. And there should be a tease about a new DS when we know what it is. If someone watched them in order, he probably wouldn't remember the "plans" scene from a movie before to know what Vader and Tarkin are looking at in RotS.

Ady could either cut out the DS from RotS and put it in space, or remove Tarkin and use the whole scene from RotS.

I keep flip-flopping back and forth on this issue. I hope that Ady brings his cool head in here and tell us what he thinks so we can just stop the debate.

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Well, I'm firmly in favour of removing the DS scene from ROTS in any case. If they were building them both at once, they should have shown them both in ROTS; but the implication all through ROTJ is that DS2 was built because DS1 was blown up.

If Ady doesn't feel like putting the scene in ESB and then making a Purist version without it, he might feel like making the necessary changes (painting out Tarkin and adding Endor) and including it on the DVD as a deleted scene.

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I favor a post-credits shot of the DSII, but only if it's done in a very minimalist manner.

What I have in mind is:
1. The credits and music end.
2. In silence, the starfield slowly pans to the right.
3. As the camera continues to pan to the right, we reveal first the Executor, the rest of the imperial fleet, the edge of Endor, and finally the DSII above Endor.
4. Fade to black.

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Erikstormtrooper said:

I favor a post-credits shot of the DSII, but only if it's done in a very minimalist manner.

What I have in mind is:
1. The credits and music end.
2. In silence, the starfield slowly pans to the right.
3. As the camera continues to pan to the right, we reveal first the Executor, the rest of the imperial fleet, the edge of Endor, and finally the DSII above Endor.
4. Fade to black.


Nice.

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Erikstormtrooper - That sounds like a very nice sequence to me that a part of me wishes could be somehow actually incorporated near the end of the movie somewhere, to emphasise the continuing future threat of the 'Empire'...although it's a bit of a dramatic addition to the already great original ending I know.




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I think Erikstormtrooper's post-credits idea is PERFECT - use a bit of ROTS footage and remove that bit from ROTS when you get there (I hated the shitty-ass Tarkin makeup in that scene, and the timeframe seems WAAAY off as well).
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Not going to happen. Didn't any of you read Adywan's post?

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Are you referring to this statement Ady made? "Like i have said before ESB, pre SE, is perfect the way it is. It will be mainly cosmetic changes i will be doing to this film."

Adding the DSII would be highly un-cosmetic. (unless after the credits doesn't count, of course. Heh heh.)

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the inclusion of the DSII after the credits was inspired by the end of the old computer game "doom", if anyone remembers the bunny on the spike, then the slow reveal of the gateway to hell.

as long as ady doesn't use the music from doom im sure erik stormtrooper's idea would work nicely.