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The only thing for me that makes this a one or two percent less then a perfect edit are a very few teeny tiny cuts that I don't think you needed to make. The "perfect day" scene for example, only lasts a few seconds but shows characters actually being characters. I don't think the "bring the rain" line needed to be cut. In discussing the film with my uncle (a former Marine who served in Lebanon) he claims that it's not uncommon for "hyped up phrases" to be included in comm traffic in the heat of combat. In any case, I think we can all agree that Bay films in general are very firm in the realm of disbelief, this film very much included. Having said that, It's a hero saying his hero line having his hero moment, and this is of course a hero film. I also don't mind the "back cheek" moment, I think the humor works.
These are all of course personal preferences. And other then these small things I think the cutting was perfect. I always thought the end battle scene was a bit of a mess in the editing and you improved it A LOT. So bottom line, much rather watch this over the other.
So if you're serious about that focuspuller edition you let me know. ;)
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focuspuller said:
Ok so I've watched your complete edit of the film. My opinion: almost perfect. Your cutting was good. There's a lot of fast cutting in the film of course (official release), some of it not great, so to edit around some of those scenes is a bit tricky. I think you pulled it off very well. The bumblebee "pissing scene" was a tricky scene to edit but it still worked, you did the best you could with it.
The only thing for me that makes this a one or two percent less then a perfect edit are a very few teeny tiny cuts that I don't think you needed to make. The "perfect day" scene for example, only lasts a few seconds but shows characters actually being characters. I don't think the "bring the rain" line needed to be cut. In discussing the film with my uncle (a former Marine who served in Lebanon) he claims that it's not uncommon for "hyped up phrases" to be included in comm traffic in the heat of combat. In any case, I think we can all agree that Bay films in general are very firm in the realm of disbelief, this film very much included. Having said that, It's a hero saying his hero line having his hero moment, and this is of course a hero film. I also don't mind the "back cheek" moment, I think the humor works.
These are all of course personal preferences. And other then these small things I think the cutting was perfect. I always thought the end battle scene was a bit of a mess in the editing and you improved it A LOT. So bottom line, much rather watch this over the other.
So if you're serious about that focuspuller edition you let me know. ;)
Ok so I've watched your complete edit of the film. My opinion: almost perfect. Your cutting was good. There's a lot of fast cutting in the film of course (official release), some of it not great, so to edit around some of those scenes is a bit tricky. I think you pulled it off very well. The bumblebee "pissing scene" was a tricky scene to edit but it still worked, you did the best you could with it.
The only thing for me that makes this a one or two percent less then a perfect edit are a very few teeny tiny cuts that I don't think you needed to make. The "perfect day" scene for example, only lasts a few seconds but shows characters actually being characters. I don't think the "bring the rain" line needed to be cut. In discussing the film with my uncle (a former Marine who served in Lebanon) he claims that it's not uncommon for "hyped up phrases" to be included in comm traffic in the heat of combat. In any case, I think we can all agree that Bay films in general are very firm in the realm of disbelief, this film very much included. Having said that, It's a hero saying his hero line having his hero moment, and this is of course a hero film. I also don't mind the "back cheek" moment, I think the humor works.
These are all of course personal preferences. And other then these small things I think the cutting was perfect. I always thought the end battle scene was a bit of a mess in the editing and you improved it A LOT. So bottom line, much rather watch this over the other.
So if you're serious about that focuspuller edition you let me know. ;)
Thank you, I take that as quite the compliment.
I'm trying to talk one of the better graphics editors on the forums to help me really fix the bumblebee pissing scene, by covering up the fact that the agents are wet. Again, at this point I chalk it to them sweating.
Sometimes all the fast cutting helped, sometimes it was a motherf*#ker to get around. I'm most proud of my tiny cuts, that no one will notice, like tightening up the shot where the red haired soldier (scut farkus from A Christmas Story, btw) gets spiked by Scorponok, and when Scorponoks tail pops up on the table. It was weird having to make Michael Bay cuts shorter, to make the action a little faster (confused smiley face). If you go through the cuts list with the movie, you'll see a ton of little things that you probably wouldn't notice otherwise. I would almost recommend watching the theatrical version right before watching my edit.
I understand your thoughts on the "perfect day speech, it just seemed a little too cheesy, IMO. It's not a horrible scene, just not my favorite. To be honest, it was the first cut on my first fanedit, so maybe I was just excited to be cutting anything!
"Bring the rain". I don't know. I'm sure that there is some chatter, but it is discouraged in general according to my younger military sources. It just seemed a little overacted. Not an unusual thing in a Bay movie, but I didn't feel it was needed either way. I fought with that decision for a long time, cutting and reinstating it several times. Maybe in the end I just felt I had to cut it, since I had so much time into getting it right! ;)
"Left cheek, left check, left cheek!" With this one, it seemed that it was a bit unrealistic (yeah, even in a movie with giant alien robots) for him to repeat it three times. I mean, he's fighting an enemy like he's never seen before, and he has time to say that three times, rather than just unloading his gun on a giant killing machine? Nah. So I tried to cut it down to 1 "left cheek", but it just wasn't smooth. That would have gone against my main point of the first cut, which was keep all the cuts as seamless as possible. I've seen too many edits where people get cut-happy, and it ruins an otherwise decent fanedit.
When I start the second cut, I'll make a quick focuspuller edit, but I can't put it out, because I'm really against the "left cheek" scene. When my wife found out I was editing Transformers, it was the first thing she asked about!
Again, thank you for the honest review, I'm floored that people seem to be liking my edit.
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i love the 1986 animated movie and hate the michael bay turd, is there any way your fan edit comes closer to the 1980 cartoons?
and the new animated series which looks worse than tartakoskys clone wars don't even get me started on that.
as far as i'm concerned this is another alternate universe transformers and has nothing to do with the official universe cannon, i'm speaking of the bay movie.
i would put classic g1 first then the simon furmon comics canon, and even the japan only headmasters series before this movie in terms of order of preference.
never mind that the live action transformers movie a misnomer since it was all fake cgi animated, was a rip off of literally every hollywood blockbuster i have ever seen. not suprising since the only good movie michael bay ever directed was the rock and that was a rip off of both james bond and indiana jones.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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skyjedi2005 said:
any way to replace agent smith's voice with frank welker's ? LOL
any way to replace agent smith's voice with frank welker's ? LOL
You get him to say the lines into a nice microphone, and I'm on it. While you're at it, get Peter Cullen to recite the ending speech.
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i love the 1986 animated movie and hate the michael bay turd, is there any way your fan edit comes closer to the 1980 cartoons?
i love the 1986 animated movie and hate the michael bay turd, is there any way your fan edit comes closer to the 1980 cartoons?
I would say if you totally hate the "Michael Bay turd", that you probably won't like mine much more(complete turd in=partial turd out). However, if you dislike certain parts of the movie, because they're distracting to the main plot, you will probably like it. I love the old cartoons, but you've got to admit some of that old stuff was pretty lame too (see Seaspray's voice, and Seaspray falling in love with an alien girl). I don't know if the material is there to make it just like G1. All I could do was make it closer to how I would have made a Transformers movie.
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and the new animated series which looks worse than tartakoskys clone wars don't even get me started on that.
and the new animated series which looks worse than tartakoskys clone wars don't even get me started on that.
Yeah, I'm not really into that new series. It just seems like Transformers for little pansy boys. They should all strap on knee pads and bike helmets when they're running around, someone might get hurt.
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as far as i'm concerned this is another alternate universe transformers and has nothing to do with the official universe cannon, i'm speaking of the bay movie.
as far as i'm concerned this is another alternate universe transformers and has nothing to do with the official universe cannon, i'm speaking of the bay movie.
It can't be canon for the G1 continuity, because it everything happens differently than either the cartoons or the comics. It is an alternate universe. That said, I'm OK with that universe, I just don't like some of the dialogue used in it. I'm thinking/hoping that Bay and co. will delve more into the Transformers mythos with the next two movies. If you look at the first movie as more of an introduction (for the masses) to the Transformers, and as part of a trilogy, it's a little more acceptable. I talked to serveral people who watched the movie an told me that they thought that not much happened. When I explained to them that it was a trilogy, they were more receptive to the events that occurred in the film. I believe this was a planned trilogy, and they knew that they had time to stretch out. If you put robots in the whole (first) movie, you will do two things: Make your budget completely ridiculous, and alienate people who are not into giant creepy robots having giant crazy wars. And that equals the end of the franchise. It sucks that money runs these things, but someone has to pay ILM and Jon Voight. ;) I'm not defending all of Mike Bay's actions, but at the end of the day they did have to sell tickets to continue the series in bigger (and hopefully better) ways.
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i would put classic g1 first then the simon furmon comics canon, and even the japan only headmasters series before this movie in terms of order of preference.
i would put classic g1 first then the simon furmon comics canon, and even the japan only headmasters series before this movie in terms of order of preference.
It's a shame that Furman was not deeply entrenched in the writing of this movie.
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never mind that the live action transformers movie a misnomer since it was all fake cgi animated, was a rip off of literally every hollywood blockbuster i have ever seen. not suprising since the only good movie michael bay ever directed was the rock and that was a rip off of both james bond and indiana jones.
never mind that the live action transformers movie a misnomer since it was all fake cgi animated, was a rip off of literally every hollywood blockbuster i have ever seen. not suprising since the only good movie michael bay ever directed was the rock and that was a rip off of both james bond and indiana jones.
Were they supposed to build real transforming robots? I was pretty impressed with the cgi, minus some of the excessive motion blur and some of the robot designs.
Bay is Bay, and he has the Transformers, and nothing is going to change that. I'm just going to try and make the best out of what we got, and enjoy it as much as possible. All of Bay's movies have a great film wrapped in a big layer of cheese. My mission in fanediting is to peel off that cheese. I think I'll be concentrating on Bay's films, and some similar filmmakers with my edits (see Roland Emmerich).
Anyway long story short, try the edit. If you don't like it, give me your ideas for the next cut . And if you don't like that one, wait for my G1 cut. And if you don't like that one, well, pester Sony to release the unaltered G1 DVD sets.
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Thank you, I take that as quite the compliment.
I'm trying to talk one of the better graphics editors on the forums to help me really fix the bumblebee pissing scene, by covering up the fact that the agents are wet. Again, at this point I chalk it to them sweating.
Sometimes all the fast cutting helped, sometimes it was a motherf*#ker to get around. I'm most proud of my tiny cuts, that no one will notice, like tightening up the shot where the red haired soldier (scut farkus from A Christmas Story, btw) gets spiked by Scorponok, and when Scorponoks tail pops up on the table. It was weird having to make Michael Bay cuts shorter, to make the action a little faster (confused smiley face). If you go through the cuts list with the movie, you'll see a ton of little things that you probably wouldn't notice otherwise. I would almost recommend watching the theatrical version right before watching my edit.
I understand your thoughts on the "perfect day speech, it just seemed a little too cheesy, IMO. It's not a horrible scene, just not my favorite. To be honest, it was the first cut on my first fanedit, so maybe I was just excited to be cutting anything!
"Bring the rain". I don't know. I'm sure that there is some chatter, but it is discouraged in general according to my younger military sources. It just seemed a little overacted. Not an unusual thing in a Bay movie, but I didn't feel it was needed either way. I fought with that decision for a long time, cutting and reinstating it several times. Maybe in the end I just felt I had to cut it, since I had so much time into getting it right! ;)
"Left cheek, left check, left cheek!" With this one, it seemed that it was a bit unrealistic (yeah, even in a movie with giant alien robots) for him to repeat it three times. I mean, he's fighting an enemy like he's never seen before, and he has time to say that three times, rather than just unloading his gun on a giant killing machine? Nah. So I tried to cut it down to 1 "left cheek", but it just wasn't smooth. That would have gone against my main point of the first cut, which was keep all the cuts as seamless as possible. I've seen too many edits where people get cut-happy, and it ruins an otherwise decent fanedit.
When I start the second cut, I'll make a quick focuspuller edit, but I can't put it out, because I'm really against the "left cheek" scene. When my wife found out I was editing Transformers, it was the first thing she asked about!
Again, thank you for the honest review, I'm floored that people seem to be liking my edit.
focuspuller said:
Ok so I've watched your complete edit of the film. My opinion: almost perfect. Your cutting was good. There's a lot of fast cutting in the film of course (official release), some of it not great, so to edit around some of those scenes is a bit tricky. I think you pulled it off very well. The bumblebee "pissing scene" was a tricky scene to edit but it still worked, you did the best you could with it.
The only thing for me that makes this a one or two percent less then a perfect edit are a very few teeny tiny cuts that I don't think you needed to make. The "perfect day" scene for example, only lasts a few seconds but shows characters actually being characters. I don't think the "bring the rain" line needed to be cut. In discussing the film with my uncle (a former Marine who served in Lebanon) he claims that it's not uncommon for "hyped up phrases" to be included in comm traffic in the heat of combat. In any case, I think we can all agree that Bay films in general are very firm in the realm of disbelief, this film very much included. Having said that, It's a hero saying his hero line having his hero moment, and this is of course a hero film. I also don't mind the "back cheek" moment, I think the humor works.
These are all of course personal preferences. And other then these small things I think the cutting was perfect. I always thought the end battle scene was a bit of a mess in the editing and you improved it A LOT. So bottom line, much rather watch this over the other.
So if you're serious about that focuspuller edition you let me know. ;)
Ok so I've watched your complete edit of the film. My opinion: almost perfect. Your cutting was good. There's a lot of fast cutting in the film of course (official release), some of it not great, so to edit around some of those scenes is a bit tricky. I think you pulled it off very well. The bumblebee "pissing scene" was a tricky scene to edit but it still worked, you did the best you could with it.
The only thing for me that makes this a one or two percent less then a perfect edit are a very few teeny tiny cuts that I don't think you needed to make. The "perfect day" scene for example, only lasts a few seconds but shows characters actually being characters. I don't think the "bring the rain" line needed to be cut. In discussing the film with my uncle (a former Marine who served in Lebanon) he claims that it's not uncommon for "hyped up phrases" to be included in comm traffic in the heat of combat. In any case, I think we can all agree that Bay films in general are very firm in the realm of disbelief, this film very much included. Having said that, It's a hero saying his hero line having his hero moment, and this is of course a hero film. I also don't mind the "back cheek" moment, I think the humor works.
These are all of course personal preferences. And other then these small things I think the cutting was perfect. I always thought the end battle scene was a bit of a mess in the editing and you improved it A LOT. So bottom line, much rather watch this over the other.
So if you're serious about that focuspuller edition you let me know. ;)
Thank you, I take that as quite the compliment.
I'm trying to talk one of the better graphics editors on the forums to help me really fix the bumblebee pissing scene, by covering up the fact that the agents are wet. Again, at this point I chalk it to them sweating.
Sometimes all the fast cutting helped, sometimes it was a motherf*#ker to get around. I'm most proud of my tiny cuts, that no one will notice, like tightening up the shot where the red haired soldier (scut farkus from A Christmas Story, btw) gets spiked by Scorponok, and when Scorponoks tail pops up on the table. It was weird having to make Michael Bay cuts shorter, to make the action a little faster (confused smiley face). If you go through the cuts list with the movie, you'll see a ton of little things that you probably wouldn't notice otherwise. I would almost recommend watching the theatrical version right before watching my edit.
I understand your thoughts on the "perfect day speech, it just seemed a little too cheesy, IMO. It's not a horrible scene, just not my favorite. To be honest, it was the first cut on my first fanedit, so maybe I was just excited to be cutting anything!
"Bring the rain". I don't know. I'm sure that there is some chatter, but it is discouraged in general according to my younger military sources. It just seemed a little overacted. Not an unusual thing in a Bay movie, but I didn't feel it was needed either way. I fought with that decision for a long time, cutting and reinstating it several times. Maybe in the end I just felt I had to cut it, since I had so much time into getting it right! ;)
"Left cheek, left check, left cheek!" With this one, it seemed that it was a bit unrealistic (yeah, even in a movie with giant alien robots) for him to repeat it three times. I mean, he's fighting an enemy like he's never seen before, and he has time to say that three times, rather than just unloading his gun on a giant killing machine? Nah. So I tried to cut it down to 1 "left cheek", but it just wasn't smooth. That would have gone against my main point of the first cut, which was keep all the cuts as seamless as possible. I've seen too many edits where people get cut-happy, and it ruins an otherwise decent fanedit.
When I start the second cut, I'll make a quick focuspuller edit, but I can't put it out, because I'm really against the "left cheek" scene. When my wife found out I was editing Transformers, it was the first thing she asked about!
Again, thank you for the honest review, I'm floored that people seem to be liking my edit.
Thanks for not taking my review personally, I meant it constructively obviously, and as I said I like the edit and basically the end result. I can't tell you how much pleasure it gave me when I saw that a lot of the programmer dialog was gone ("there's only one man that can crack this code" I believe is the line ARGH!). I was literally in the theatre watching this film thinking about what could be taken out. You've done that in spades.
I would be extremely grateful for a 'focuspuller edit' if you actually wanted to go out of your way to do it. If I was forced to compromise I could live without the "left cheek" scene. In any case, if you were to undertake such an edit your payment, among other things would be huge bags of glory. ;)
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I'm willing to PIF 6 copies of this in the U.S.
PM me and I'll start a PIF chain.
and remember it's PIF - not get it and sit on it. :)
Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness - Chinese proverb
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guitarfan01 said:
thanks for responding to the pm, reave. :)
thanks for responding to the pm, reave. :)
not a problem. I got behind on my pm's and on my mailings, but most everything has gone out for this any my pif thread. I'm only waiting on a few address names and numbers to get everything out.
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Got my copy today Reave - thanks a million
I'm willing to PIF 6 copies of this in the U.S.
PM me and I'll start a PIF chain.
and remember it's PIF - not get it and sit on it. :)
Got my copy today Reave - thanks a million
I'm willing to PIF 6 copies of this in the U.S.
PM me and I'll start a PIF chain.
and remember it's PIF - not get it and sit on it. :)
thank you a million OBtwosy, I appreciate the PIF offer.
I may torrent the SL disc or a Divx sometime soon. Any preferences?
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If anyone in Oz is after a copy, drop me a pm. I'm willing to PIF out a few copies. NOTE - This is a single layer DVD.
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guitarfan> pm sent.
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If you haven't bought any Rifftrax, this is a great one to start with!!! Very, very funny!
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oh wait, I have a CD player that'll play mp3s burned to CDs as data.
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