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Or maybe you could go and watch the movies.

Or a google search could get you what you want. I found this in about 8 seconds:
http://www.padawansguide.com/han_esb.shtml

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Sevb32 said:

Now I am really confused by what you said, lol. I don't think either the ESB or the early ROTJ shirt looks like the ANH one. Can someone get some good quality stills?


He means while frozen in carbonite. The shirt they used for the mold is from ANH.

Well, I think that's what Ady means.

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I just watched the theatrical version of Empire again and took notes of anything that came to my mind. The version I watched was the recoloured "Vintage Edition", which is close to perfect in regard to colours and picture quality. A few seens have some grain/noise issues and most notably a shot with the probe droid right at the beginning of the movie looks weird, but aside of that, it may be a good basis for your edit edit. May save a lot of recolouring work.

Many of these ideas have been posted before, but I'll repeat them just for good measure:

-Smoothen the Tauntaun movements

-When the Wampa grabs the Tauntaun, the arm is seen just a few frames too long. You can easily tell it's someone wearing a glove. A few frames cut could do the trick.

-Chewie's roars are at times annoyingly loud, especially on the 2004 DVD version. Most of them could be toned down aout 5-10%. I double checked on linear studio speakers ;)

-At about 7 minutes into the movie, in the rebel base, there's a shot in which a Tauntaun is in the front of the picture at the beginning of the shot. It's kind of a cliché 80s shot to liven up the picture, but since the TT looks fake and out o focus, I think it doesn't really add to the scene.

-In the Wampa cave when Luke frees himself and falls to the ground, the Wampa should be closing in, but he is nowhere to be seen. That should be fixed. Aside of that, I can live without the 2004 shot of him. If you're keeping the original version, maybe you will want to add a bit of a camera shake, when he closes in on Luke.

-Everyone talks about the Hoth shield, but we never actually see it. Depending on what you want to do with RotJ, you may want to add a shield opening, when the rebel transports leave Hoth.

-Hoth Battle: Now the dream would be to see a much bigger battle with added AT-ATs and AT-STs, but that would probably be way too much work. Adding a few background AT-ATs as in your trailer is cool though. I did notice, when I watched the movie, that the battle seemed pretty balanced. There were neither too many Snowspeeders nor Imperial units. This balance should be kept. One scene where I could imagine the AT-STs would be when the rebel soldiers are fleeing and you see them running towards the Camera with the walkers in the background. You could have some AT-STs behind them picking them off as they run. [img]http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/67/Battle_of_Hoth.jpg[/img]

In the story, the AT-STs attack Ion cannon. Could be fun to see it get blown up, but could possibly just distract from the main story.

-Upgrade laser impacts on AT-ATs. Some leave no mark at all (even the shots from the big stationary turrets). Maybe burn marks on the AT ATs would look interesting.

-Add whirling snow when AT-AT falls. Something that heavy should create quite an impact, even in wet snow.

-Inside the rebel base, one of the Snow troopers is weirdly holding on to his mask. Looks wrong. More Snow troopers would be cool, but I have no idea how it could be pulled off.

-Black R2D2 -> Blue

-Maybe more TIEs could be added to the asteroid field chase. As it is, I find it hard to imagine they'd only have 4 ships available to chase the Falcon.

-Add a cam shake to the interior shot of the Star Destroyed during the "evasive action" scene. As it is, you just see actors falling around without getting a feeling for the forces at work.

-There's a really obvious real-life snake early on in Dagobar (Boa or Python). Could be recoloured. Same goes for the Iguana in the cave. Not sure he is necessary at all.

-Upgrade explosion of Star Destroyer bridge hit by Asteroid.

-Entering Bespin: Not sure if this was upgraded in the 2004 versions, but the clouds in the back of Luke's X-Wing looked really bad in the original.

-Just before the Duel between Luke and Vader a door closes before R2. Just not completely.

-During the escape scene, a stormtrooper is hit by laser fire without visible impact and just falls down. Upgraded impacts or burn marks on stormtroopers would be an improvement





SE Changes:

-The new exterior shots of Bespin look nice. The "upgraded" interior shots however don't work. The suspense suffers from opening the place up and the orange lighting distracts from the white interiors. It also takes away the claustrophobic feel of the original.

-New Emperor scene: A hybrid between 2004 and RotJ sounds best to me. Don't like the new dialogue though.

-Finally: The infamous "Bring my shuttle" Scene. The SE Version is just horrible and disrupts the flow of the rescue scene. However the same could be said about the old version, which also notably cuts into the music. I consider it the only major flaw in the original movie. I'm not sure the scene could be placed any earlier, probably the only thing to do is keep the original version.




What probably not to do:

-Adding lightsaber retraction shots to Luke leaving Wampa cave and getting blown out of Bespin window scenes. It would just distract from whats going on and in the latter scene there's a lot of noise anyways.

-Adding any music. It can really change the feel of a scene and to be honest, I think the added music to the OBI-Wan and Vader duel is the only thing that really didn't work in your ANH edit. Maybe it'd work differently for ESB since the unused music was originally written for those scenes, but the scenes are pretty much perfect the way they are.




Hope this will be of some help for your edit. Once again, thanks for the tremendous effort. ANH Revistited really put the official Special Editions to shame.
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Humans are in the SW galaxy, so why can't Dagobah have snakes and lizards like ours?
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There are also ducks on Naboo and horses on Endor...

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well for one thing, reptiles require a lot of sunshine. dagobah doesn't really seem like sunny a place.

and the other is it kinda took me back to earth when i saw it this time. maybe that's just me though.
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I agree...I think just subtly tweaking the reptiles a bit will do.

Perhaps changing their colors or adding some sort of little alien-like appendages?
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Adywan, nice work on changing the Emperor's hood, and shadowing his eyes a bit... What a terrific improvement that made.

A couple of thoughts on the Tauntauns today - The existing close-ups really need some of your excellent 'eye blinks' to bring the too 'animatronic'-looking eyes to life. This would really improve matters.

On the first reveal of Luke's Tauntaun's left eye as it turns round during Luke's conversation with Han via his glove communicator, just as he says "Right, I'll see you shortly", a brief quick blink or eye turn (reacting to Luke) inserted here before it's current, eventual slow eye-shut would be good.

The shot when Han gets on his Tauntaun to search for Luke saying"Then I'll see you in hell" needs a quick blink too, and yet another quick blink would help when Han gets off it to search for Luke, as the Tauntaun faces us with it's cold breath.

And finally, it would be nice if Han's Tauntaun SLOWLY closed it's eyes JUST before, or AS, it keels over.






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Amok said:

well for one thing, reptiles require a lot of sunshine. dagobah doesn't really seem like sunny a place.

and the other is it kinda took me back to earth when i saw it this time. maybe that's just me though.



Maybe in our world things work that way, but in the SW Universe maybe reptiles don't require lots of sunshine. Just as many other things are different from ours.
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Moth3r said:

There are also ducks on Naboo and horses on Endor...


And horse statues on Naboo.
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--The fleet scene with the reveal of the Executor could be over the same planet you used with the Death Star reveal.
--New shots of the Falcon and TIES in the asteroids?
--Shots of Luke's X-wing entering and exiting hyperspace (especially after he says "we're not regrouping with the others" etc etc)
--Adding a planet to the scenes with the rebel fleet at the end of the movie (Sullust, maybe?)
--Adding some of those hot-air balloon thingys and tibanna gas refineries to the initial far-away reveal of Cloud City with approaching Falcon
--Improvising the sunrise-from-space effects when you see the Falcon leaving Bespin being chased by TIEs
--Shots of the X-Wing inside the Dagobah atmosphere (from outside)
--I'd sure like to see those Tauntauns running a bit faster; the stop-motion makes it all look like big steps, slow speed.
--Maybe you should test out animating CGI characters to replace the stop-motion tauntaun shots.... just a concept, lol. Could maybe prepare you for ROTJ (especially if you will want to add extra Ewoks there lol)

Could you take these into consideration?
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HotRod said:

I would like the moon on a stick!


LOL! Yeah, Adywan's suggestion notes for his 'Empire Revisited' much be getting a little longer than he perhaps anticipated now...

A couple of small ones to consider for today - Compared to the GOUT release, the 'Special Edition' has the hint of a small 'smoking crater' effect now as the 'Imperial Probe Droid' exits from it. However, in the 'close-up' shot beforehand, of the Probe rising up, there are parts of broken 'casing' around the 'crater', but these seem to be absent from the new effect which comes just after. It would only require a dark 'speck' or two to tie this in a bit better for continuity's sake, unless you wish to ERASE the broken 'casing' on the other hand.

Also, I'd really love to see the hint of a SHADOW on the surface at the last moment from the Snowspeeder that spots Han, that flies close to the surface as he waves to it. I always think it needed that to sell the shot a bit better.
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I always thought the reveal of the Imperial Fleet should be above Corusant. I thought it would be a good way to incorperate the core planet of the saga into the classic films.

 

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This is going to sound like kind of an extreme change, but I think it could add a lot of emotional depth to the film. It is a new scene with Darth Vader, the hard part will be getting someone who sounds like James Earl Jones, fortunately Darth Vader costumes are fairly easy to get a hold of. The scene I am thinking would be Darth Vader having a counseling session through a hologram. So we have him talking to the blue hologram of his counselor about his feelings toward his son who he now knows to be alive, and his feelings of guilt towards having choked Padme, and her having died without him telling her he loved her.

I really think this could add a great deal of depth to Empire Stikes Back, as well as to the whole saga, it also helps connect the good trilogy to the bad trilogy. It would be easy enough to film. Anakin was a pretty emotional character, surely he has to whine to someone, I don't thing Darth Vader could have gone through the gap between trilogies without partaking in a mass quantity of whining. I am sure this might not be a very popular change, but I think it would be worth staking your reputation on Ady. In the end people wont be able to hold themselves back from proclaiming your greatness.

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One change I have never been so sure about were the cloud city windows. Part of me likes it to an extent, but most of me does not. I really liked the closed in feel of the original, but a few windows makes sense. I wonder how it would work to fill in most of the windows to be like the original, but to leave an SE window every now and then. It seems like this could bring back the original feel that many of us OT fans miss, while also opening the place up a bit.

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Your second suggestion I like, but it might seem out-of-place to suddenly haveo ne window in those closed corridors.

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Maybe the windows "slide" open like those billboards that switch from one ad to another at random....

Just a thought.

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bkev said:

Your second suggestion I like, but it might seem out-of-place to suddenly haveo no window in those closed corridors.


I guess you didn't understand what I was saying. I simply meant something along the lines of instead of having the whole wall window after window, change it so there is a window every so many meters, thus cutting down on the overall number of windows. In this manner the feel of the original could be somewhat kept, while at the same time we still get a few shots of what is outside. For example in a corridor shot that has five window panels all along it, cut it down to just two panels.

Probably pointless. It is just that the amount of windows in that place as depicted in the SE has always felt a little overwhelming, and I miss the steril, brightly lit corridors of the original, though I admit they felt a little bit too closed in.

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--The fleet scene with the reveal of the Executor could be over the same planet you used with the Death Star reveal.
--New shots of the Falcon and TIES in the asteroids?
--Shots of Luke's X-wing entering and exiting hyperspace (especially after he says "we're not regrouping with the others" etc etc)
--Adding a planet to the scenes with the rebel fleet at the end of the movie (Sullust, maybe?)
--Adding some of those hot-air balloon thingys and tibanna gas refineries to the initial far-away reveal of Cloud City with approaching Falcon
--Improvising the sunrise-from-space effects when you see the Falcon leaving Bespin being chased by TIEs
--Shots of the X-Wing inside the Dagobah atmosphere (from outside)
--I'd sure like to see those Tauntauns running a bit faster; the stop-motion makes it all look like big steps, slow speed.
--Maybe you should test out animating CGI characters to replace the stop-motion tauntaun shots.... just a concept, lol. Could maybe prepare you for ROTJ (especially if you will want to add extra Ewoks there lol)

Could you take these into consideration?


My simple, yet totally whiney thoughts:

--New shots of the Falcon and TIES in the asteroids?
----> Sounds nice

--Shots of Luke's X-wing entering and exiting hyperspace...
----> Do we really need that?

--Adding a planet to the scenes with the rebel fleet at the end of the movie...
----> That would retract from the sad-lonely feeling of the scene.

--Adding some of those hot-air balloon thingys and tibanna gas refineries to the initial far-away reveal of Cloud City...
----> lol...that was a joke...right?

--Improve the sunrise-from-space effects when you see the Falcon leaving Bespin being chased by TIEs
----> Why? Does it bother you THAT much?

--Shots of the X-Wing inside the Dagobah atmosphere (from outside)
----> That would ruin the 'reveal', and the mystery of Dagobah

--I'd sure like to see those Tauntauns running a bit faster; the stop-motion makes it all look like big steps, slow speed.
----> Also sounds nice.

--Maybe you should test out animating CGI characters to replace the stop-motion tauntaun shots.... just a concept, lol. Could maybe prepare you for ROTJ (especially if you will want to add extra Ewoks there lol)
----> I think there are already enough Ewoks in ROTJ.

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I find it strange that no one has mentioned the two most glaring special effect blunders in Empire: namely, the vampire bat creatures (???minock???) in the worm's stomach, you know, the ones that look like Jim Henson muppet rejects hanging from strings; the other being the star destroyer blasting asteroids that disappear in a FX shot that would embarrass a toddler. Those bounty hunters look pretty bad too, even by 80's standards. Not sure those guys could catch a cold. I wonder if the great adept of Star Wars editology Adywan The Great will fix or adjust some of these jarring blunders...
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I find it strange that no one has mentioned the two most glaring special effect blunders in Empire: namely, the vampire bat creatures (???minock???) in the worm's stomach, you know, the ones that look like Jim Henson muppet rejects hanging from strings; the other being the star destroyer blasting asteroids that disappear in a FX shot that would embarrass a toddler. Those bounty hunters look pretty bad too, even by 80's standards. Not sure those guys could catch a cold. I wonder if the great adept of Star Wars editology Adywan The Great will fix or adjust some of these jarring blunders...
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We heard you the first time!! :)


Personally, I like Empire the way it was. It was perfect. The only changes I'd like to see from the special edition are the same as most views here...Change Fett's voice back and remove the Shuttle scene...oh and the Emperor could be chopped so the dialog makes sense.

Everything else is just fine. And I'm not talking about the sfx, sure they could be cleaned up and what not, but do we really need added scenes here and there for the sake of it??

At the moment, adigitalman's version of Empire is the only edit I watch. He's done all the changes needed to make Empire what it was. A great film. Not that hacked piece of crap that came out in 97.




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