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We're going to redo Beast, and we're working on Aladdin. We've got the old DVD of Mermaid and will prolly touch it up, and I've got a pristine CLV Lion King LD ripped.

Question... Is there any 1.66:1 release of Lion King pre-DVD, or is it all either 1.33:1 and 1.78:1?

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Didn't someone already do a Theatrial version of Little Mermaid? I could be wrong, but I thought so. I'll have to go through my DVD collection and see.
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You may be thinking of Dr M's version, which uses the recent special edition visuals, but replaces the audio with the original mix, and restores the priest's knee.
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What.Cobbler? said:

You may be thinking of Dr M's version, which uses the recent special edition visuals, but replaces the audio with the original mix, and restores the priest's knee.


I think that you are right, and it is this one.
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So yeah, the big four. These are, of course, the most important movies to get out.

The Little Mermaid - drf has the LI DVD and the SE. Prolly we're just going to anamorphicize it and spruce it up a little.

Beauty and the Beast - I have the CAV LD, drf has the SE DVD. We're going to anamorphicize it, prolly synch up the DVD's 5.1 mix.

Aladdin - I have the CAV LD and a 320 kbps MP3 CD rip of Arabian Nights with the offending line. Again, we'll anamorphicize it and I think drf's figured out how to hack together a 5.1 with the offending line and the "take off and go" restored. Or it's possible he'll comb the DVD and eventually produce a LD/DVD hybrid. (I know the credits aren't intact on the DVD; I don't know what else was changed video-wise, if anything.)

The Lion King. The best I've been able to produce is a slightly noisy rip of a pristine CLV LD. This disc is 1.85:1, and has no bonus features, no special audio tracks or whatall (unless they're embedded in the ac3 stream, something my player doesn't understand) as it's the CLV version. (I am going to buy the CAV eventually, and if I do, I will update the project to use it.) Supposedly the DVD has the LD's commentary, but I'd have to see it to believe it.

The other big projects are "Make Mine Music", "Melody Time" and "Saludos Amigos", which are censored on the R1 releases. I'm also going to do "Cinderella" myself. (But my DVDs have horrible menus.)

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http://www.usotsuki.info/sfx.jpg

Note: this is from an anamorphic transcode I made.

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"SFX"

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Hi Molly

I see a bit of noise in the sky of that last shot. It's not bad, but I can't help but ask since you seem to be wanting the most out of the movie picture quality itself: have you tried doing "averaging" of multiple capture passes (via avisynth)? It is a bit of trouble, but especially where you're doing things like resizing the image, it is a nice improvement...although this method applied to a whole feature might prove too work intensive (but you can darn near reach DVD quality when you can pull it off correctly from what I've seen, assuming your capturing set-up is pretty good in the first place of course). If you've never tried it, I recommend giving it a go on really small clip capture so you can see the difference (especially when you zoom in). :)

Edit: Sorry, I see now that you don't seem to be doing the captures yourself. Nevermind. :D

LightWave = fun times with gfx for me 😃

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Actually, I am doing the captures myself, but because of the limited hardware I have, I don't know if "averaging" will do any good.

With my luck, every encode will have the same exact noise :/

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Gonna add to my comment: I don't like to use denoise filters because I worry that they'll wreck the image quality worse than simply leaving the noise intact. I use Avidemux 2.3 to encode my vobs, mainly because it's all-in-one, and produces reasonably good vobs with reasonable speed. (It's faster than tmpgenc, from what I can tell, and the output's comparable, especially using the tmpgenc quant matrix on the vob encoder.)

My filter profile is simple: decomb telecide, decomb decimate, crop, mplayer resize. I know the video is noisy - low-end LD player (although it is a Pioneer), bottom-of-the-line DVD recorder (works fine for me though), although at least I'm using a good video cable :P

I figure I can always leave the final project to someone else, though I don't know if drfsupercenter will be able to pull it off since he barely knows what he's doing (worse than me).

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Ah. Well, you could give it a try just five seconds worth of capture and maybe see, eh? Just cap a shot snippet 5 times ever, trim the cap avi's so they all have the same start frame, use VDub to read in the AVS averaging of the five, and output from VDub. Sometimes a view compare at 200% is pretty striking, sometimes not. Depends on a bunch of stuff of course...
If you're interested I'll give you a template avs script, but I'll reiterate that for a feature film it would likely be a lot of work (not to mention time and hard drive space) so maybe even your experimenting with this would just be wasting your time. :shrug: For short stuff though, it's usually the way to go if you're aiming for max. quality given just a PC with capping abilities and an analogue home video player.

So there's all that :)

Edit: Just saw your post, and I agree about de-noise filters. I really don't like them for my chain. The only thing I actually every used AVS for (in regards to captures) is decomb/telecide and averaging. Averaging is my de-noising for captures; avoids GIGO. :)

LightWave = fun times with gfx for me 😃

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Got my Lion King today (along with the other 4 ld's in that lot) and it's CLV. bah. Oh well, no biggie to me. At least it's the theatrical version before the massive re-animating.

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I have the original Alladin soundtrack. I ripped it to my computer under WMA setting (mathematically lossless). Personally, I think there's some empty bits but since windows media player doesn't support FLAC, I haven't bothered.
713 kbps, 6.74 mb
I saw the old Jungle Book dvd in the same video store that has all the laserdiscs. They have a lot of the Limited Issue's for rent. Should I talk to them about getting it? Maybe offer to trade for the newer Platinum dvd?

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Old JB's definitely clean, coloring of the Castle's odd but it seems fine to me.

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It's clean, as in, unmatted. I had a copy of the 1999 DVD sent to me.

But since rips of R1s seem to be out-of-the-question here on OT even if they're OOP... I won't go there.

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Anything new?

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Been gathering R1 rips. You know, just in case Disney screws with their own movies again.

People have been saying Fox and the Hound is P&S, I don't seem to think it is. It looks open-matte to me, it looks too wide-open on the top and bottom to be P&S.

I'm saving all the VOBs I get in case they're useful. My friend is also archiving.

Apparently there is a different title card for Great Mouse Detective that doesn't say "The Adventures Of" ? I wonder if it's been archived anywhere as apparently only an altered title card is on all US releases since 1991.

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Now that we have the WIP LD of Beauty and the Beast, it won't be long before we start authoring that... just want to collect a couple more things to add as bonus features.

My intention is to make a 2 disc (drf wants to do 3) with the OTV, WIP, (these both differ from the DVD release) 4 Sing-Along Songs, and all the bonus features from the laserdiscs. (Probably adding the Celine Dion/Peabo Bryson music video from the R1.)

And I've seen the "Basil the GMD" credits... I still wonder what the OTV OP looked like.

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I want to be the first to thank you for this project. I saw the movie as a teen, and got to play the Beast two years ago, so for someone to do this is just incredible. I will have to seek this out when it's done.
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Looking forward to the "Make Mine Music", "Melody Time" and "Saludos Amigos!" These are classics I've seen when I was a kid and it would be great to see them again in the same format! Thanks for all the work you are doing.

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There is another upcoming re release of cindarella being released on blu ray not sure which version it is going to be.

The blu ray official site does not say , i'm thinking maybe Lowry aka dts digital.

I wish we could ever see the theatrical first issue of fantasia never released on home video anywhere completely uncut not even in japan.

Molly most animated features are open matte there is more image on the negative even more image area in the hand drawn cels than a 4:3 cropping. Depends on what you find more grievous a 16:9 or 4:3 cropping.

Then can present the entire image by pillarboxing but the one dvd i know they did this on produced less than stellar results Transformers the movie reconstructed. Even rhinos image close to the original negative more cropped than the aforementioned release had unfinished animation showing in the picture because when the movie was shown widescreen in theaters these areas were masked off by the mattes.

Has disney ever had such releases?

As a purist i think both versions the original negative open matte and theatrical widescreen should be available on dvd. This was done on the batman mask of the phantasm dvd release.

It also reminds me of how funimation released a open matte full frame show like Dragonball Z cropped to 16:9 with dodgy colors, why cannot they seem to get it right.

Disney is almost notoriously as bad as George Lucas with the changed dvd versions of their films and the majority of the theatrical releases only being available on an analogue only format like laserdisc is absurd to an insane degree beyond words.

What i find damn near impossible is to find all the open matte versions of the studio ghibli films released on vhs or dvd worldwide is getting very difficult.


I think howl's moving castle may be the only movie of miyazaki's only available matted in wisdescreen and no pan and scan or open matte release.

The only full frame release of nausicaa was the badly butchered warriors of the wind.

My brothers fiance has nearly all the animated disney movies on dvd and i was discussing with her one day how stupid i thought that the best way to own these original theatrical versions of the movies was on the deluxe CAV boxsets, from an obsolete analogue format that is interlaced. Kind of how the gout does little justice in approximating the theatrical cuts of star wars from the theaters to a low resolution home video release.

DVD, and Blu Ray don't come even close to the 35mm film most of the disney movies were released on. People rich enough to have a home theater buy prints off of ebay all the time, though the low fade prints fetch sums reaching the stratosphere most are turning pinkish or are digest 8mm reel versions or 16mm dupes.

I kind of like the screen captured image molly posted of lion king since you can see the film grain in the image, later most likely removed digitally from the dvd release removing detail. I hate digital scrubbing of an image and recolored by computer on these classics. Since Disney now does pratically everything on the computer now the modern crap they can recolor and ruin all they want.

If this means an old school photochemical restoration than i am all for it.

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skyjedi2005 said:

There is another upcoming re release of cindarella being released on blu ray not sure which version it is going to be.

The blu ray official site does not say , i'm thinking maybe Lowry aka dts digital.


Since the old DVD was the new one prolly will be.

I wish we could ever see the theatrical first issue of fantasia never released on home video anywhere completely uncut not even in japan.


If we could but find Deems Taylor's lost voice-overs...

Molly most animated features are open matte there is more image on the negative even more image area in the hand drawn cels than a 4:3 cropping. Depends on what you find more grievous a 16:9 or 4:3 cropping.

Then can present the entire image by pillarboxing but the one dvd i know they did this on produced less than stellar results Transformers the movie reconstructed. Even rhinos image close to the original negative more cropped than the aforementioned release had unfinished animation showing in the picture because when the movie was shown widescreen in theaters these areas were masked off by the mattes.

Has disney ever had such releases?


They did supposedly have a few movies that were done 4:3 and then widescreened in theaters (Sword in the Stone through Robin Hood plus Fox and the Hound)? But unlike, say, Sailor Moon's movies, which have animation errors in the matte area, these movies are fully animated to 4:3.

As a purist i think both versions the original negative open matte and theatrical widescreen should be available on dvd. This was done on the batman mask of the phantasm dvd release.


I think it depends on whether there are errors masked by the matte or not, whether I'd prefer open-matte or not.

It also reminds me of how funimation released a open matte full frame show like Dragonball Z cropped to 16:9 with dodgy colors, why cannot they seem to get it right.


UGH. I need the damn Dragon Box, and I don't even *care* about Drag On Ball Zzz, but it deserves better than that. >_<

Disney is almost notoriously as bad as George Lucas with the changed dvd versions of their films and the majority of the theatrical releases only being available on an analogue only format like laserdisc is absurd to an insane degree beyond words.


Ugh. THIS.

What i find damn near impossible is to find all the open matte versions of the studio ghibli films released on vhs or dvd worldwide is getting very difficult.


Were they ever released that way? I never saw Laputa fullscreen, not even on VHS.

My brothers fiance has nearly all the animated disney movies on dvd and i was discussing with her one day how stupid i thought that the best way to own these original theatrical versions of the movies was on the deluxe CAV boxsets, from an obsolete analogue format that is interlaced. Kind of how the gout does little justice in approximating the theatrical cuts of star wars from the theaters to a low resolution home video release.


This is why several of the movies NEED to be preserved from laserdisc, as the OTVs are on LD, while the DVDs, if they exist, are butchered.

DVD, and Blu Ray don't come even close to the 35mm film most of the disney movies were released on. People rich enough to have a home theater buy prints off of ebay all the time, though the low fade prints fetch sums reaching the stratosphere most are turning pinkish or are digest 8mm reel versions or 16mm dupes.


What I wouldn't do for a couple Song of the South 35s.

I kind of like the screen captured image molly posted of lion king since you can see the film grain in the image, later most likely removed digitally from the dvd release removing detail. I hate digital scrubbing of an image and recolored by computer on these classics. Since Disney now does pratically everything on the computer now the modern crap they can recolor and ruin all they want.


Lion King was always colored by computer.

If this means an old school photochemical restoration than i am all for it.


xD

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Hi,

I guess I joined in this way late!

I can get just about every Disney DVD released in Region 1, since the library where I live has an extensive collection. I have the Limited Issue/GCC as well as Platinum Editions for almost all the films released more than once.

So I don't think any rental stores are gonna help here. Unless they have the CAV boxset of The Lion King :P

Didn't someone already do a Theatrial version of Little Mermaid? I could be wrong, but I thought so. I'll have to go through my DVD collection and see.

That was 1.78:1... we're doing ours all in OAR.


Now, ultimately, we're looking for someone with an x0 or x9 laserdisc player, as the result would be infinitely better than Molly's (Just because they aren't low-end players)... and that would also reduce the amount of filtering we'd need to do.
If anyone can help in this area, please let us know!

Oh, I almost forgot to mention about the line in Aladdin. Basically, to edit the 5.1 all I did was separate the channels into mono waves. (NOT the Enhanced Home Theater Mix... those suck and have absolutely no purpose on a movie already made in 5.1!)
The channel setup was that of instrumental on the four side channels, and vocals on the center channel. So I used an audio morphing program to do a "vocal extract" on the CD rip. I then stuck the handmade acapella back in the 5.1 and it sounded pretty much like a theatrical 5.1 would have. (except a little robotic sounding... since that filter isn't perfect)
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Hm.

Just watched Mulan. Slogged through the first third and then it wasn't bad.

1999 DVD = slightly tiltscanned to 1.85:1, but has better colors.
2004 DVD = OAR, but the coloring is a bit odd.

The 2 credits changed at the end of the movie (regarding film stock) are no big deal, imho - the whole rest of the movie is original, and it does make sense, the 2004 version is a file dump, not a telecine.

I'm thinking I might want to do this histogram thing but I'm not really sure how to go about it.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)