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Soldier Shoots Dog With Smoke Round: CLICK HERE FOR VIDEO

Sad, very sad!

And that's not all.

Soldiers in Iraq Taunt A Crippled Dog: CLICK HERE FOR VIDEO

Our tax money at work.

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The vast majority of servicemen and women take their jobs seriously, I'm sure. Unfortunately, while many soldiers serve with distinction and bravery, many others are in the military because they probably couldn't cut it in a job that doesn't involve shooting things.

I look at it this way: take any number of random people, and a certain percentage of those people will be assholes. For argument's sake, let's say 10% of the general population are assholes--a conservative estimate.

That would mean that 10% of soldiers who fight, 10% of our cops, 10% of our teachers...are complete assholes. And as it has been proven many times recently, some of those assholes get caught on tape.
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They should put the poor dog walking on 2 legs out of it's misery.

Those vids are ancient btw.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
They should put the poor dog walking on 2 legs out of it's misery.

Those vids are ancient btw.


Well, I'm not defending what they did leading up to it, but I think they did kill the dog. AT the end you hear one of the say something to the effect of, "Hey you wanna kill it now?"

I also think we all should remember that these guys are at war. Again, I'm not defending them, but things that they see tend to numb the senses of right and wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the day before they saw a fellow soldier crawling across the ground with no legs or arms. The dog is just a afterthought at that point I reckon. Anyone here served in a foreign war BTW,
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
They should put the poor dog walking on 2 legs out of it's misery.

Those vids are ancient btw.


Here is a word for you. "Rehabilitation"



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The above is an example of why America just doesn't quite click with the rest of the world.

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Yeah, I really can't see a dog walking around in the sand with those.
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Originally posted by: deespence2929
Yeah, I really can't see a dog walking around in the sand with those.


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This was my dog Kila. She had no problems at all walking in sand or snow with her wheels.

She was very happy that she could walk with us and play for the last few years of her life.

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It's amazing what dogs with those wheels can do, but they still need a person to take care of them. They need a dedicated owner. I don't think it's possible or practicle to give stray dogs a set of wheels.
Sometimes I wonder if the people who give their dog a set of wheels are thinking more about themselves (because they can't part with their pet) instead of what's good for the dog. Although you will probably say dogs with wheels can have pretty good happy lives (I don't know, you are probably right). Still I'd like to see dogs run around on 4 legs. I'm not sure what I would do in the same situation. Maybe I'd go for the wheels too.
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Dogs on wheels are awesome! I see one at our dog park all the time.

I've got to agree with Jay though. There will always be a percentage (though I don't think 10%) of people that are just plain f@#ked up. There are sadistic, animal torturing muslims, blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, non-military and any and every other group you can think of on the planet. It's not an American/British Military exclusive. I've seen plenty of awful videos of animal abuse. A lot more are not in the military than are.

It's a truly disturbing thing to see, and I'd like to meet a few of those people and dish out a little bit of justice, but it can't be blamed solely on being a soldier in iraq. I'm not trying to justify what they did though, they should be strung up by their nuts and left in a public area with a video of their actions playing behind them.

Jennifer Lopez is responsible for many more cruel animal deaths than those guys will ever rack up. Google those videos, and you will be TRULY disturbed.

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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
I don't think it's possible or practicle to give stray dogs a set of wheels.


Bleeding heart dog lovers are not into what is possible or practical. I think if some people had their way American foreign aid would be used to send wheels to every two legged dog in the world. Then to their dismay starving families will kill the two legged dogs for food and trade the wheels for bread crumbs.

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The issue on this topic was that these soldiers stood around chuckling and teasing a disabled animal, and had made it all into a big joke for amusement only. This is just one example of their mental state, and these guys have guns. Make of it what you will, but I think it's clear that there was other options open to them other then the sadistic actions shown in the film clips. Why did they just not quickly shoot the dog? Yes that would have been the humane and cost effective thing to do. But no, they just stood around and acted like a group of high school boys making jokes and taunting the poor thing. Also, in the one film a soldier is saying how funny it was to see the limping dog in pain.

It's so funny how some of you cry about how these films are just being used to generalize the actions of ALL soldiers (when that is not the reason), then will turn around and do the same thing to other groups of people by making unfounded statements like "Bleeding heart dog lovers are not into what is possible or practical" or "foreign aid would be used to send wheels to every two legged dog in the world". I never said that they SHOULD have put this dog into a wheels device; I just reiterated what members of the media and military command have said. That there are soldiers that take such dogs into care and rehabilitate them. There are a number of non-profit organizations that go to places like that, and assist these dogs. I know this for a fact, as I do work for one. There may have been options for that dog, but there is no way of knowing. If those options had not been there in these cases, there was still no reason on earth for the type of teasing done in the video! That is the point! It was made into a joke for kicks. And, to film these acts was most likely for the purpose to amuse or offend other people. If you find that excusable, then that's sad. What was that film made for? To be played back years from now for the grand kids, or so they could reminisce about the good old days?

It's important that you all share your opinions here, as it shows us all what kind of people we are as a society. I feel that the actions in the videos are inhumane. These soldiers need to be much better trained; they need more discipline and supervision from someone with better morals. This is where the funds should go. I posted the videos to show how "Some" of our soldiers are acting. I pay these guys with my tax money. The military command staff agrees with me that this should not be the way that their soldiers should be behaving. Clearly the military is not doing its job well enough to weed out the misfits. When videos like this become public, it's the publics right to comment and hold the commanders responsible, and also make public debate. To just stick your head in the sand and believe that everything is O.K. and will be handled without intervention is irresponsible and foolish. Public oversight and criticism of our government’s employees and servicemen is required, a right, and totally acceptable. If you chose to support the actions of the people in the video, that is also your right.

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Originally posted by: FanFiltration
The issue on this topic was that these soldiers stood around chuckling and teasing a disabled animal, and had made it all into a big joke for amusement only. This is just one example of their mental state, and these guys have guns. Make of it what you will, but I think it's clear that there was other options open to them other then the sadistic actions shown in the film clips. Why did they just not quickly shoot the dog? Yes that would have been the humane and cost effective thing to do. But no, they just stood around and acted like a group of high school boys making jokes and taunting the poor thing. Also, in the one film a soldier is saying how funny it was to see the limping dog in pain.


Do you know how old the average soldier is? 18-20 years old. So they ARE a group of high school boys making jokes. Dude, seriously, this is how they cope. How would you cope with seeing friends killed day in and day out during war. You cope by making jokes of things that are less sick then watching a friend die.

The mental state is that they're over in a shit hole country doing whatever they can to stay alive in case some IED blows up and kills them or a friend. The only other option would be to outright shoot the dog. Instead, they chose to have some fun with it. The ONLY reason this is even an issue is because todays soldier has access to cheap, easy to carry video cameras that he can use to upload the video to the Internet.

This would have been a non issue in Vietnam or any other war because you wouldn't have known about it. Since you know about it though, it suddenly becomes an issue.

I don't believe what's needed is better training though. What's needed is better screening for what these guys are accessing on the Internet. I think you'll find any commander hard pressed to come down on his subordinates over shooting a dog that was probably going to die anyway. This is just one more case where the guys in combat should not have access to the Internet or should have anything they end up filming screened.

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You have to have a certain mental state in order to be a marine or a soldier. Most of us "normal" people would never be able to handle their day to day life. It's not just what they're exposed to in Iraq and the constant death they experience, but also about the way they live and how they're treated by their superiors. Hell, I was in the Air Force for 4 years and I couldn't understand half the stuff those guys did. The marines I hung around with would beat each other up just for fun, all of them laughing as they did so. That's just the way they are, and no amount of funding is going to change them. The fact is, the training they have to go through in order to do the things they have to do is unique and only certain types of individuals can get through it.

Not that I'm defending in any way what happened in these instances, but no amount of psychotherapy or revocation of internet privileges is going to stop them. The only thing that will is harsher disciplinary action handed out to the offenders, and making sure all soldiers know about it. I seriously doubt that the people who shot these videos are the ones who uploaded them to the internet. What most likely happened in both cases was the video was emailed to some friends, someone took offense, and as a result made it public. I can't count the number of times I received pictures and video emailed from friends serving in Iraq or Afghanistan or forwarded from someone else.

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Do you know how old the average soldier is? 18-20 years old. So they ARE a group of high school boys making jokes. Dude, seriously, this is how they cope. How would you cope with seeing friends killed day in and day out during war. You cope by making jokes of things that are less sick then watching a friend die.

The mental state is that they're over in a shit hole country doing whatever they can to stay alive in case some IED blows up and kills them or a friend. The only other option would be to outright shoot the dog. Instead, they chose to have some fun with it. The ONLY reason this is even an issue is because todays soldier has access to cheap, easy to carry video cameras that he can use to upload the video to the Internet.

This would have been a non issue in Vietnam or any other war because you wouldn't have known about it. Since you know about it though, it suddenly becomes an issue.

I don't believe what's needed is better training though. What's needed is better screening for what these guys are accessing on the Internet. I think you'll find any commander hard pressed to come down on his subordinates over shooting a dog that was probably going to die anyway. This is just one more case where the guys in combat should not have access to the Internet or should have anything they end up filming screened.



Poor excuse. I don't buy it. The military leadership does not condone or excuse that type of animal abuse action, and I don't ether. But it seems a few of you do. It's that old "boys will be boys" mentality. I wonder why the Marine Commander did not come out with an excuse like Lordjedi's for his men? Could it be because it's nothing more than a bullshit excuse? I think so.

People had more of a problem with the U.S. killing innocent children and burning down villages in the Vietnam War, and rightfully so. Like it or not, the strong public outcry and protesting of the publicized U.S. miss-actions in that war thankfully ended it. The type of animal abuse shown on the Internet last week has been a strong issue for a heck of a lot of potential voters judging from the media's reported responses. Like it or not that puppy video got a lot of media attention, animal rights groups got lots of support, money, and people motivated. It also got a lot of people re-questioning the U.S. mission and competency of our fighting men in Iraq. And like it or not, people looking at what our military does and exposing it via the Internet is not going to go away. Now, let's be clear. I feel the abuse that the U.S. military did in the area of human rights abuse, torture, sodomy and homicide of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq was much much worse then the puppy killing video last week. But thankfully no more videos of that magnitude have come to light. For you who need to be reminded of that issue, you can see a video at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz7UNxnOI3M

And yes, people are still making moronic uneducated excuses for that horror story as well.

I for one feel the Internet is a great tool in an age where political leaders (such as Bush) have tried to curtail the media from telling negative stories from behind the lines. Public opinion has been very strong with this issue of the killing of a puppy, and that alone makes it a valid subject to report on. Some of you will get your over inflated patriotic panties in a twist about any ridiculing of wrong doing by our fighting boys in uniform, but that's just tough.

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Poor excuse. I don't buy it. The military leadership does not condone or excuse that type of animal abuse action, and I don't ether. But it seems a few of you do. It's that old "boys will be boys" mentality. I wonder why the Marine Commander did not come out with an excuse like Lordjedi's for his men? Could it be because it's nothing more than a bullshit excuse? I think so.


I don't. I think it's because it came to light. If the video had never been seen by anyone outside Iraq, we would've never heard anything about it. The commander didn't come out with that excuse because it's not 1) politically correct and 2) good PR. If he had said what I said, he would've gotten the smack down from someone even higher up.

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People had more of a problem with the U.S. killing innocent children and burning down villages in the Vietnam War, and rightfully so.


Yeah, because they were killing women and children!

And like it or not, we would've won that war if we had stuck it out. The "high as a kite" protesters and people like Hanoi Jane who still have never apologized for what they did during the war (treason) are what finally forced us out. The north vietnamese knew they couldn't win. They knew they had to drive morale down at home in order to get us to withdraw.

I was trying to draw a parallel to show the kind of shithole those guys are in and what it must do to your mind. I was not trying to draw a parallel between killing a dog and killing a person. In my mind, killing an innocent person is much worse.

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I for one feel the Internet is a great tool in an age where political leaders (such as Bush) have tried to curtail the media from telling negative stories from behind the lines.


And some of those men have also been reprimanded for giving away troop locations. There's a reason those videos should be screened. Not only to keep unwanted things from being seen, but to keep the enemy from knowing where you are.
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Some US soldiers are pretty good friends with the dogs in Iraq. Video
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
They should put the poor dog walking on 2 legs out of it's misery.

Those vids are ancient btw.


Here is a word for you. "Rehabilitation"



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Yahaha.

The soldiers that did this are cocksuckers, but anyone that believes the owners of these dogs have the means for that sort of silly dog wheelchair is a complete jackass.

The dogs are mostly strays in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. If they have owners they can often barely afford dirt.

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FanFiltration said:

Originally posted by: Arnie.d
They should put the poor dog walking on 2 legs out of it's misery.

Those vids are ancient btw.


Here is a word for you. "Rehabilitation"



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Yahaha.

The soldiers that did this are cocksuckers, but anyone that believes the owners of these dogs have the means for that sort of silly dog wheelchair is a complete jackass.

The dogs are mostly strays in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. If they have owners they can often barely afford dirt.



I addressed this subject a few posts ago. Read back a bit.

Here, I'll make it simple for you.

Make of it what you will, but I think it's clear that there was other options open to them other then the sadistic actions shown in the film clips. Why did they just not quickly shoot the dog? Yes that would have been the humane and cost effective thing to do. But no, they just stood around and acted like a group of high school boys making jokes and taunting the poor thing. Also, in the one film a soldier is saying how funny it was to see the limping dog in pain.

"I never said that they SHOULD have put this dog into a wheels device; I just reiterated what members of the media and military command have said. That there are soldiers that take such dogs into care and rehabilitate them. There are a number of non-profit organizations that go to places like that, and assist these dogs. I know this for a fact, as I do work for one. There may have been options for that dog, but there is no way of knowing. If those options had not been there in these cases, there was still no reason on earth for the type of teasing done in the video! That is the point!"

I wish people would read an entire thread before adding rude comments. But I know, that's asking a bit too much from a lot of you.

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That there are soldiers that take such dogs into care and rehabilitate them.


Our soldiers should not in any way be concerned/obligated/expected to take in the stray dogs of Iraq and "rehabilitate" (feed, heal, etc.) them, on any level.

That's an insane fucking thought you have there.

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FanFiltration said:

That there are soldiers that take such dogs into care and rehabilitate them.


Our soldiers should not in any way be concerned/obligated/expected to take in the stray dogs of Iraq and "rehabilitate" them, on any level.

That's an insane fucking thought you have there.



You are a complete dumb ass. You are still not reading the information. Come on, it's not that hard to do a bit of reading. THE COMMANDER OF THE SOLDIERS made the comment himself about soldiers taking care of the dogs on their own. I said in my own words in the quote I re-posted for you.. "THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST SHOT THE DOG"! OMFG, what a Jack Ass you are!

HERE IT IS AGAIN

I think it's clear that there was other options open to them other then the sadistic actions shown in the film clips. Why did they just not quickly shoot the dog? Yes that would have been the humane and cost effective thing to do. But no, they just stood around and acted like a group of high school boys making jokes and taunting the poor thing.

Now here is the letter from the Commander at Marine Corps that was on the news and everyone who sent a comment to him about the story of the abused dog got back as a reply.

"The video is shocking and deplorable and is contrary to the high standards
we expect of every Marine.

This video came to our attention this yesterday morning, and we have
initiated an investigation. We do not tolerate this type of behavior and
will take appropriate action.

The vast majority of Marines conduct their duties in an honorable manner
that brings great credit upon the Marine Corps and the United States. There
have been numerous stories of Marines adopting pets and bringing them home
from Iraq or helping to arrange life-saving medical care for Iraqi children.
Those are the stories that exemplify what we stand for and how most Marines
behave.

Very Respectfully,
Marine Corps Base Hawaii"

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Where did the Commander ever say soldiers should rehabilitate injured Iraqi dogs? Those were your words, and it's an asinine thought.

The soldiers should be ignoring dogs entirely, unless they're attacked or feel threatened by them... in which case it should be goodnight dog.

I know it's tough for some people to see cute animals get wronged by assholes, I like dogs myself, but there are far greater problems than animal cruelty in Iraq right now, in light of those problems this dog bullshit doesn't matter at all.

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The vast majority of Marines conduct their duties in an honorable manner
that brings great credit upon the Marine Corps and the United States. There
have been numerous stories of Marines adopting pets and bringing them home
from Iraq or helping to arrange life-saving medical care for Iraqi children.
Those are the stories that exemplify what we stand for and how most Marines
behave.

Very Respectfully,
Marine Corps Base Hawaii"[/b]


I can't keep up with your edits.

Yeah, taking a dog home is one thing. I don't care if the soldiers return home with all the strays of Iraq.

While in Iraq, the dogs should not be a concern in the slightest. They should not be tended to in Iraq. There are bigger fish to fry in that desert right now, and injured dogs are hardly on the list of priorities.

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OMFG! You still need to read! No one anyplace in this thread said that THEY HAD TO REHABILITATE THE DOG, it is was just an option. The Marine statment said that some had taken that option. That's great they did. But it was not stated THEY HAD TOO. If they don't want to, or they could not find someone to help the dog, they should just shot it. That is what I said, that is what I meant and that is in my quote. No one said they HAD to rehabilitate it. It was an option, just like them making the thing into a joke was an option for them. Do you understand?
If you see a quote of me saying it was the duty of these marines to rehabilitate that dog, please post it. I have no idea why you have that idea in your head other than you have an issue with reading comprehension.

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