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Okay the answer to how the Walkers got through the shield is actually in the dialogue for Empire. Vader says "..make ready to land our troops BEYOND their energy field and deploy the fleet so..." so the shield is probably at most hemisphereical and the walkers just had a long hike.

Okay so I cant help myself, here are some ideas for Adywan's treatment of Episode V, The Empire Strikes back

1. Removal of entire Vader shuttle sequence, it ruins the timing of this sequence.
2. Reinstatment of original "Bring my shuttle" line.
3. Molten metal edges to lightsabers going through metal during Luke/Vader fight
4. On-screen de-ignition of Vader's Saber after end of fight.
5. Enhancment of de-ignition sound of Vader's saber at end of fight.
6. On-screen de-ignition of Luke's Saber when he follows Vader off of the Carbon Freezing platform.
7. Fixing Stromtrooper's fallen Shoulder pad in Han being carbon froze sequence
8. Removal of Han's bicep cuffs as they are not in Return of the Jedi
9. Clouds needed in shot of Lando and Luke re-entering Falcon from under Cloud City
10. SE shot of Falcon approaching platform 327 looks "wrong" somehow. The Falcon looks flat or something, I cant explain, the shot just bugs me. I dont want this removed as I love all the new Bespin exteriors but the Falcon needs fixed.
11. fixing Saber colors, Thier widths are fine but Vader's seems to be almost pink in some shots in the SE DVDs.
12. Fix timing of sound, perhaps adding on-screen de-ignition of Saber as Luke exits Wampa cave.
13. It would be nice if the AT-AT could squash the Snow speeder a little flatter, don't know how feasible that is.
14. More life-like Taun-Tauns ala Cantina alien edits
15. Reinstatment of "You're lucky you dont taste very good." instead of keeping different "You were luck to get out of there" line
16. Reinstatment of original announcement of "The first transport is away."
17. Reinstatment of original sound effect when Lando releases the Mic that lets him address cloud city and inform the people that the Empire has taken over. It's a small thing but I preferred the original.

Possible additions, wishful thinking.

1. More At-ATs Snow speeders in background of battle. Perhaps another snowspeeder can do the leg thing after Luke's success in the background? Perhaps add some probe droids, speder bikes and AT-STs. Strafing runs of retreating rebels at end of battleby tie-fighters isn't out of the realm of possibility.
2. More tiefighters in asteroid chase? Plenty of rocks for them to run into.
3. Perhaps the Falcon could fire at these ties. Those turrets can be controlled from the cockpit, just not as well as having someone actually in the turret. Besides we don't see the Falcon fire those things at all in Empire.
4. Maybe a couple more ships protecting the transports departure? Maybe some ties could race out to great them and be destroyed in a brief exchange of fire as the transport gets past the Star Destroyer?
5. All new shots in the Asteroid chase? Dont know how hard rocks are to do in 3d software. However Id want the musical cues in this scene retained which means you'd have to delete stuff to insert new...nevermind.
6. Perhaps a MUCH LARGER fleet could arrive at Hoth and have the planet surrounded, this would explain why the transports go straight at a Star Destroyer instead of taking another direction.
7. Do something to address the fact that Luke gets off the planet without seeing a single Imperial ship, let alone engaging one.
8. Luke having a vision of Leia and Han during Dagobah similar to Anakin’s visions in RotS

Well thers my initial thoughts, Now I think Ill do one for Jedi


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Joshua_Blue
In my view, the shield is only impenetrable by lasers and other similar weapons. The ships can pass through the shield normally they just cannot fire through it. That is why the land beyond the horizon of the Hoth rebel base, out of the reach of the rebel fire, and attack with walkers. If they landed directly in front of the rebel base, they would be vulnerable during landing.

Adywan
Well actually not even ships can get through the shield. Don't forget that they have to lower the shield for the transports to escape so my thought on this is that once the shield is lowered the walkers can slip through .


Actually, Adywan, I think Joshua_Blue is correct on this. The Rebels don't lower the shields for the transports to escape, they lower the shields so they can fire the Ion cannon out, which gives the transports cover against the Star Destroyers in orbit. JB's theory is the one I also always believed. But your theory of the walkers sneaking through while the shields are briefly down is also plausible. Either way, I don't think you have to do any editing to explain how the walkers get in Ady. We all accept that they got in, we don't need an answer.
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I also agree with your dialogue changes listed in your first 17 suggestions, Axia, I feel the same way. I also like suggestions No. 6 & 7 on your bottom eight wishful thinking list.
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going back a bit:

Originally posted by: Darth Richard
I have no idea if this is even possible, but over on the Starkiller thread about a year ago we talked about during the beginning of ESB, show the DSII being built. I think we put it by Mustafar.
Anyways.


The idea behind having the DS II at the beginning of ESB was to make its sudden appearance in ROTJ less of a rehash. But ultimately, I don't know how effective this is. It's a little pointless to show it in ESB when it never really plays any role in the movie.

But I've always thought the beginning of Empire was pretty slow. It needs some kind of "WOW" shot to open with. Not using the scale of the Executor in a flyover shot is a missed opportunity in my book. I'd love to see Adywan move the Executor reveal to the opening of the movie, with some kind of newly created flyover shot of the Executor dwarfing a few Star Destroyers.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Maybe you should insert a scene near the end of the movie with the Death Star II under construction (but very incomplete). The Death Star II is introduced in ROTJ by way of the title crawl and the opening shot, and I just don't think that's how it should be. It's not a very menacing introduction like it is in ANH (and ROTS). What do you guys think?

A few more ideas:

Correcting the Falcon's shadows on the bigger asteroid
Correcting the colouring of the TIE fighters in the asteroid battle scene (over-blue, doesn't match the rest of the scene)
Recolouring some of the asteroids so that they match (some are reddish or somewhat bluish)
Possibly removing the scenes with Han, Leia and Chewie walking inside the space slug, outside the Falcon (realistically, they don't just need oxygen masks and tanks in there, but also proper suits to withstand pressures and temperatures, even if there is an atmosphere inside) and leaving it to landing, trying to make repairs inside the space slug, then having the Falcon shaking and leaving the space slug immediately. With the TIE fighters destroyed, the chances of getting another fleet of TIE fighters there before the Falcon are low (the other TIE Bombers are probably on the other side of the asteroid now )
Revising some of the scenes showing (the whole) Cloud City
Removing the new CGI approach and replacing it with an all-new approachscene from behind the Falcon (I agree that the Falcon seems flat there) if you can manage it (e.g. reusing the shot of the Falcon approaching Yavin in ANH but sped up and retimed, adding cloud cars and finding some background scene to go with it)
Although many people may disagree with this, removing the 'galaxy' at the end appears to be a hard choice you may have to make (unless you replace the galaxy with a larger image similar to this image)
Recolouring the scenes inside the frigate in the finale (purplish glow) LINK to image
Have a few tears fall out of Leia's eyes as the Falcon launches, make her show her feelings

I also noticed something -- the TIE Fighters you used in the Death Star introduction in ANH -- were they taken from TESB's shot with the Executor approaching Hoth?
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I'm not a big fan of this Death Star in ESB idea. I like the break in between Death Stars in the movies.

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Quoted by AxiaEuxine


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1. More At-ATs Snow speeders in background of battle. Perhaps another snowspeeder can do the leg thing after Luke's success in the background? Perhaps add some probe droids, speder bikes and AT-STs. Strafing runs of retreating rebels at end of battleby tie-fighters isn't out of the realm of possibility.
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I like this one. After playing Rebel Strike, the movie version kinda lacked in excitement


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2. More tiefighters in asteroid chase? Plenty of rocks for them to run into.
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wouldn't mind it


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3. Perhaps the Falcon could fire at these ties. Those turrets can be controlled from the cockpit, just not as well as having someone actually in the turret. Besides we don't see the Falcon fire those things at all in Empire.
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I think our heroes our too worried about maneuvering asteroids, but I see where you're coming from with the Falcon firing no lasers in this episode.

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4. Maybe a couple more ships protecting the transports departure? Maybe some ties could race out to great them and be destroyed in a brief exchange of fire as the transport gets past the Star Destroyer?
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That would just negate what princess Liea said "Only two fighter escorts per ship". Or maybe Ady can dub Liea's lines?

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5. All new shots in the Asteroid chase? Dont know how hard rocks are to do in 3d software. However Id want the musical cues in this scene retained which means you'd have to delete stuff to insert new...nevermind.
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That would be cool, or you can use the asteroids from Attack of the Clones.

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6. Perhaps a MUCH LARGER fleet could arrive at Hoth and have the planet surrounded, this would explain why the transports go straight at a Star Destroyer instead of taking another direction.
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I agree with this one totally.

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7. Do something to address the fact that Luke gets off the planet without seeing a single Imperial ship, let alone engaging one.
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I never really thought about that. It would be cool to see Luke sneak past a SD.


I really like Axia's list. One thing I always had a problem with was the SD's engines were white, when they should be blue. I don't know if it was in every shot, but it's inconsistant.

 

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If you watch carefully, the Ughnaughts (little pig guys) remove Han's cuffs right before he goes into the chamber. Of course iirc, the white shirt he's wearing during that entire scene is different than the one he's wearing in the Tatooine scenes of ROTJ... so there's still a continuity flub between the films.

The Hoth shield thing makes perfect sense in light of the prequels (Episode I, actually). A theater shield stops projectiles, energy, and fast moving objects, but slow moving metal objects (walkers) can push through. The Hoth shield is like the Gungan theater shield only much, much larger (protecting a portion of the planet, so it could be many kilometers in coverage... the walkers would have to land outside the shield and push through, then scurry on to the base to attack it). Sure, I suppose the Star Destroyers could have bombarded the planet (not the shield) and turn it into a steaming ocean, but Vader wanted Skywalker captured alive.
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(reposted from the other thread):

ESB fixes:

Fix the continuity error created by the "new windows" (now you see them, now you don't) on Bespin between the time Lando is showing them the tour and they get detained by Vader's men.

Restore Fett's old voice.

Correct the asteroid that has an explosion in it right before the Falcon and TIE's reach it (for no apparent reason). If it's going to be a collision it shouldn't flame up like it's a laser hit or something.

Fix the problem where Luke's saber is still on as he leaves the cave (yet you hear a saber off sound).

Restore Luke's line "You're lucky you don't taste very good" in the swamp

Fix any instances of "black R2D2 panels" in space.

Fix the transparent cockpits in the snowspeeders (for good this time)

Remove the obvious "puppet stilts" in a few shots of the AT-AT's.

Fix the saber colors, making them more consistent with the other movies.


PS: With the SE Wampa footage, you now hear two roars (roars as the wampa is eating and grunting), as if there are TWO wampas in the cave. Decide if you want there to be two now or just one...
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I could have sworn it was mentioned in the film that they were landing outside of the shield to make their offensive... as you mentioned... they could walk or "push" through it.

These changes sound very interesting and I'd like to see where this goes.

The idea of changing up some of the asteroid field is interesting, but as mentioned, the music would then have to be butchered... and I'm not sure how well that'll work. You could probably loop a section or so though...


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Check the screenplay and novel for the real answer I guess...
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Originally posted by: Molly
The source for the line about the script rewrite is The Annotated Screenplays, iirc. And certainly SOMEONE rewrote the dialogue (compare the prior scripts).

True enough. The editor credited the Huycks for their dialogue rewrites, and used an asterisk to indicate lines that they had enhanced. I didn't notice the asterisks until my last browse through the book, and it was eye-opening to see the huge effect they had on the film.

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Originally posted by: auximenies
Originally posted by: adywan
Originally posted by: Joshua_Blue
An interesting idea popped up earlier in the thread about seeing drop ships deploying the AT-AT's. But i feel that adding anything like that in would ruin the reveal of the AT-AT's when we see them through the macrobinoulars and would just be adding something in to the film that really doesn't need to be there. That's the thing i'm trying to avoid and that's the thing that Lucasfilm did with the SE's.


I think it would be possible to see the Star Destroyers dropping large transports of some kind without ruining the reveal of the AT-ATs. Not saying it should be done, just saying it's possible to show something without showing the main attraction.


That's what I meant, with the dropship comment, just a brief exterior space shot of large-ships carrying the ground forces , exiting from beneath a star destroyer (similiar to the way the Imperial Probe droids are launced at the start of the film) and heading towards the planet below, certainly no need to reveal the AT-AT's inside the ships, just as long as they look big enough to transport a few walkers.

I really like the way your Death star reveal in STARWARS Revisitied gave a real sense of scale to all the dfferent ships, and I think a scene like this could really complement that scene. It doesn't necessarily add anything to the story but it's a nice piece of eye-candy for us geeks to salivate over.

as far as the shields go I'm pretty sure they don't extend far beyond the perimeter of the base itself. I assume the Shield Generator is actually located seperate to the base itself that's why Veers Walker needs to destroy it so Vader and his troops can get inside the base.

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If the shield generator was outside the area the shield was protecting, why didn't the bad guys just bomb it from outer space? Doesn't hold water.

The impression I always got was that the shield was like a flat surface above the base; it protected the base from an aerial bombardment but it was possible to sneak under the edges at near-ground-level (ie. with walkers or speeders).

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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
going back a bit:

Originally posted by: Darth Richard
I have no idea if this is even possible, but over on the Starkiller thread about a year ago we talked about during the beginning of ESB, show the DSII being built. I think we put it by Mustafar.
Anyways.


The idea behind having the DS II at the beginning of ESB was to make its sudden appearance in ROTJ less of a rehash. But ultimately, I don't know how effective this is. It's a little pointless to show it in ESB when it never really plays any role in the movie.



yeah, I think the destruction of the original Death Star would've been an enormous blow to the Empire, to show them bouncing back so quickly and starting construction on a second death star at the beginning of Empire would really negate some of the importance the original Death Star had, as well as take the shine off of the rebels victory in the first film.

I can Imagine Vader apologising to the Emperor for the destrustion of the death-star, only for the Emperor to reply
"don't worry about it! we got plenty more where they came from!"



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Originally posted by: RoccondilRinon
If the shield generator was outside the area the shield was protecting, why didn't the bad guys just bomb it from outer space? Doesn't hold water.

The impression I always got was that the shield was like a flat surface above the base; it protected the base from an aerial bombardment but it was possible to sneak under the edges at near-ground-level (ie. with walkers or speeders).


good point about the shield generator, although the walkers were able to destroy it fairly quickly, and they had to destroy the shield so Vader and his troops could enter the base.

but surely the Rebel groundforce with their turrent cannons etc were also outside of the protection of the shields?
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Originally posted by: reave
I'm not a big fan of this Death Star in ESB idea. I like the break in between Death Stars in the movies.


As it is, 2/3rds of the movies have a death star in them.
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
Originally posted by: RoccondilRinon
If the shield generator was outside the area the shield was protecting, why didn't the bad guys just bomb it from outer space? Doesn't hold water.

The impression I always got was that the shield was like a flat surface above the base; it protected the base from an aerial bombardment but it was possible to sneak under the edges at near-ground-level (ie. with walkers or speeders).


good point about the shield generator, although the walkers were able to destroy it fairly quickly, and they had to destroy the shield so Vader and his troops could enter the base.

but surely the Rebel groundforce with their turrent cannons etc were also outside of the protection of the shields?



Why? I thought everything the Rebels had was inside the shield. If it wasn't, the Empire could have bombarded those areas from orbit and wiped out their defenses before landing to make the ground force's job easier. The shield generator is obviously UNDER the shield, but that doesn't mean it isn't easy to destroy once the walkers are within range of it.

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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
but surely the Rebel groundforce with their turrent cannons etc were also outside of the protection of the shields?


Not necessarily; they merely knew that any successful assault would have to be ground-based, so they placed their defences to match.

Also, this ring any bells for how we might incorporate — or at least reference — the Death Star?: "Who's THEY?! What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon? That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! ... Oh, just rebuild it? Oh that's really f**king original! Get your 7' 2" asthmatic ass back here! ... Death Star blown up by a bunch of f**king teenagers..."

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other suggestions

when Luke enters the 'Dark tree' on Dagobah, if something could be done to 'dress-up' the snakes and lizards so that they look a bit more exotic and otherworldly, and less like regular Earth snakes and lizards, perhaps some exotic colouring? or some other alien appendages?

I'm not sure how it would slot in , but if there was any way of making the Falcon's escape a little more difficult once they hit space after they leave Bespin? perhaps a few more aerial shots of tie's attacking? I know they're concentrating on getting the hyperdrive working , but I always thought it was odd the way they fly directly towards Vader's star-destroyer and do a fly around , especially when the star destroyer was trying to get a lock on them with their tractor beam, or maybe flying so close to the Star Destroyer was a manouver to avoid the tractor beam?

the final sequence in the film, the exterior shot of the Falcon docked at the medical frigate, shows the Falcon cockpit empty and dimly lit, the very next shot is a close up interior of Lando in a much more heavily lit cockpit. is there any way of making a plate of Lando in the cockpit and superimpose him into the cockpit so that he appears in the cockpit of the previous shot of the exterior of the falcon?
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I'm against showing any deathstar in ESB. It's not about the deathstar. Color correction, restoring original lines, beefing up some battles, and cutting some of the unnecessary SE additions. Thats pretty much all it really needs. Except mabe for some added special effects here and there.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the rotoscoping for the sabres.

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There were absolutely NO UNNECESSARY special edition additions ! All were REALLY needed, unlike SW
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Heh, yes there were some UNNECESSARY SE additions in ESB, and no they were not really needed.

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These 'shield' comments have reminded me of the battle of Naboo, where the droid forces could not penetrate the sheilds with firepower but COULD merely pass through the forcefield. I doubt it's the same sort of thing on Hoth but it still makes sense for the Walkers to set up a good distance away and then come in guns blazing.
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There is a more simpler explanation to why the AT-ATs came in from far away...

An aerial bombardment/ground assault would have been designed to weaken the shields sufficiently enough for them to pass through without having to destroy what was inside. Having the AT-ATs and AT-STs come in with guns blazing would have been part of this strategy - pound the defense till it's too weak to defend, then you can do as you wish. You can liken it to Germany's aerial bombing of London...it was all designed to weaken the enemy to the point of no fightback (they just hadn't factored everything in!)

Or you could just say the Imperials got a little lost and had to rely on their GPS systems to get them back ontrack...!

There isn't a massive amount I would change in ESB. The Emperor's communication with Vader should be reverted to the original dialogue. It ties in too much to handhold the viewer all the way to Vader's reveal. Yoda should remain as he is...if anything, he should be replaced in the rest of the movies! Minor bits can be cleaned up and tweaked, but it doesn't require much. Irvin Kerschner's direction and detail is much stronger than the rest of the trilogy. But please make sure Luke doesn't scream going down the exhaust shaft - he made a conscious decision to fall, so wouldn't be screaming in terror. He would have been at peace with his decision.