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Originally posted by: RRS-1980
OK, folks, there's no "alien plot" here, it's just a meteo balloon, now move along, move along...


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Damn, why do I have to be always right when it comes to bad things? I wish I was wrong...

IJ4 will be just what Prequel Trilogy is to Star Wars... we see a trailer, get enthusiastic because we hear music we know so well, the movie makes money - "so why are those people complaining?".

It won't go above "Lara Croft" or "National Treasure" level in terms of quality... which is way below old IJ movies.




Crap! That picture isn't lifted from the trailer is it? It really isn't part of the movie right? Maybe they are going for a Guiness World Record for most disappointing highly anticipated sequel. Then Lucas will hold the record for most disappointing sequel and prequel, and that would be a pretty impressive run.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Fast forward the official IJ4 trailer to 1:26 and you will see it in all HD 1080p glory. Oh, and it's magnetic! Fancy alien tech!

I think I'm starting to hate the "return to RotLA warehouse" idea just as much as the alien thing.

"See? I told you before!" <-- and I'm saying that without any twisted "Schadenfreude", honestly

My otherwise healthy & realistic pessimism is turning into some sort of fatalism... it seems that I'm going to loose or hate everything I like, enjoy, cherish, need... I have this for several years now (13?), it's getting progressively stronger... even such innocent joys like Star Wars or Indiana Jones movies are irreversibly tainted... 10 years ago I'd never believe that I won't be happy to see another SW or IJ movie in the cinema Looks like my existence will turn into "eat, sh*t, sleep"...
I saw the original theatrical release of the Old Trilogy on the big screen and I'm proud of it...
How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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I have to say that the trailer was quite exciting. If it wasn't for that one tiny glimpse of that box, it would have been perfect. I'm still holding out hope that the alien thing doesn't come to pass (although that's pretty convincing evidence), but I still want to see this movie. I'm still going to reserve judgement until then.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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My prediction is that the aliens in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull will be to the Ark in Raiders of the Lost Ark and the Holy Grail in The Last Crusade what Midiclorines (sp?) were to the force in The Phantom Menace. It will serve as a purpose to totally de-mythologize them supernaturally, and re-mythologize them as alien technology. I suppose it is not very likely, but I suppose since he moved the force from religion to science, it wouldn't be too far fetched for him to do the same with the Ark (now sort of an alien death ray box) and the grail (now an advanced alien medical technology).

Likely the Hebrew patriarch Abraham made a deal with aliens, but since he was an ignorant primitive he mistook them for a god. The aliens used their technology to help Abrahams wife have a baby at the age of 90, a miracle. Later when Abrahams decendants were held in captivity by the Egyptians, the aliens helped them escape and guided them to an area with better land and helped them to defeat the original occupants. Around this time they made them the Ark. Many years later one of the aliens named Jesus came to live among the humans teach them how to aspire to be a better race, but they didn't agree with him so they killed him. But aliens prove to be a bit of a challenge to take down, and he got back up, stuck around for awhile and went home, accidently leaving his healing device behind. A couple of thousand years later a guy named Henry Jones Jr. comes into contact with both of the alien artifacts. This summer, he'll get to the bottom of it all.


"I discovered a McGuffin," continues Lucas, still reluctant to name said McGuffin. "I told the guys about it and they were a little dubious about it, but it’s the best one we’ve ever found… Unfortunately, it was a little too ‘connected’ for the others. They were afraid of what the critics would think. They said, "Can’t we do it with a different McGuffin? Can’t we do this?" and I said "No". So we pottered around with that for a couple of years. And then Harrison really wanted to do it and Steve said, "Okay". I said, "We’ll have to go back to that original MacGuffin and take out the offending parts of it and we’ll still use that area of the supernatural to deal with it".




"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I didn't know what the term "MacGuffin" meant before this point, but hasn't George Lucas devoted the most recent portion of his life to destroying good MacGuffins with bad MacGuffins? There should be a MacGuffin restraining order against him forbidding the creation and alteration of MacGuffins.


. . . MacGuffins.

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Well, I have heard the argument that Spielberg was making a case for secular humanism with the ending of Last Crusade. Maybe he's trying to really drive the point home this time. Yea, I'd like to see this movie right here and now to find out what actually happens in it.

How do the puzzle pieces suddenly fit together so perfectly to suggest they're definitely going with that oft-rumored alien plotline? This story takes place after 1947. Are people just getting the idea that the big "unlocking" moment for Indy will be discovering that every mystical thing has been alien and that the Roswell ship will be the key? What if it takes the route that the story about little green men actually was just a story and that the actual truth is more along the lines of something fantastical/mythical like we saw in the other three movies?

Which draft of the script did the alien idea show up in anyway?

Oh, and I'm throwing in my opinion that space aliens in Indiana Jones would be just a tad bit more out of place than midichlorians in Star Wars.
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If any extra-terrestrial elements are in it, I doubt its going to be something on the scale like Close Encounters--it'll probably be more of a downplayed X-Files thing, more mysterious and ambiguous. And before people say that its all silly and unrealistic: have you guys seen any Indy films? Raiders ends with the ark of the covenant being opened, ghosts coming out of it, and lightning bolts from God melting Nazis. Temple of Doom asserts that witchcraft is real and has a man survive his heart being removed during a black magic human sacrifice. Crusade ends with Indy meeting a five-hundred yeard old phantom who restores his father to life with the cup of Jesus Christ himself. Indiana Jones movies have always had an absurdly fantastic element in it somewhere. As long as you don't take it too seriously you will be entertained.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Indiana Jones movies have always had an absurdly fantastic element in it somewhere.


No doubt about it. But I think we all liked to see Indy hunting for magical relics and the likes, not taking over the role of F.B.I agent Fox Moulder and uncovering the hiden existence of aliens in Rosewell New Mexico.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: zombie84
Indiana Jones movies have always had an absurdly fantastic element in it somewhere.


No doubt about it. But I think we all liked to see Indy hunting for magical relics and the likes, not taking over the role of F.B.I agent Fox Moulder and uncovering the hiden existence of aliens in Rosewell New Mexico.


True, its a departure in that it goes from supernatural to extra-terrestrial, but its not that big a leap, as much as we are simply not accustomed to it. Even X-Files, though more identified with its extra-terrestrial plots, was 50% of the time in the paranormal realm, such that its upcoming feature film will not center on aliens but on the supernatural aspect. I guess in the case of Indiana Jones the supernatural thing is more appropriate because the supernatural is more tied in with the culture of the ancient world, which is Indy's profession, but I still feel that the backlash to an extra-terrestrial elements is vastly overstated. And to be honest, we don't know how these elements figure in, if they figure in at all--we know there are references to Roswell and such, but that hardly constitutes Little Green Men, its more to do with the paranoid aspect of the 1950's American culture when the story takes place. Don't forget, the title is not Indiana Jones and the Mothership of Area 51, its Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and concerns ancient Meso-American artifacts, so much as an unspoiled viewer like myself is concerned.
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I agree with Zombie on this. It seems likely that the opening adventure is taking place to stop Soviet Agents from stealing something from that Army base. Then the story continues with the Mesoamerican stuff.

Remember the movies always have had a mini-adventure and the main one.

Raiders: The fertility idol in South America and then the Lost Ark
Temple of Doom: The ashes of that oriental guy in Club Obi-wan then the Shankara stones.
Last Crusade: The Cross of Coronado then the Holy Grail.

Why should this next movie be any different?
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Originally posted by: C3PX
My prediction is that the aliens in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull will be to the Ark in Raiders of the Lost Ark and the Holy Grail in The Last Crusade what Midiclorines (sp?) were to the force in The Phantom Menace. It will serve as a purpose to totally de-mythologize them supernaturally, and re-mythologize them as alien technology. I suppose it is not very likely, but I suppose since he moved the force from religion to science, it wouldn't be too far fetched for him to do the same with the Ark (now sort of an alien death ray box) and the grail (now an advanced alien medical technology).

Likely the Hebrew patriarch Abraham made a deal with aliens, but since he was an ignorant primitive he mistook them for a god. The aliens used their technology to help Abrahams wife have a baby at the age of 90, a miracle. Later when Abrahams decendants were held in captivity by the Egyptians, the aliens helped them escape and guided them to an area with better land and helped them to defeat the original occupants. Around this time they made them the Ark. Many years later one of the aliens named Jesus came to live among the humans teach them how to aspire to be a better race, but they didn't agree with him so they killed him. But aliens prove to be a bit of a challenge to take down, and he got back up, stuck around for awhile and went home, accidently leaving his healing device behind. A couple of thousand years later a guy named Henry Jones Jr. comes into contact with both of the alien artifacts. This summer, he'll get to the bottom of it all.


I really hope Lucas doesn't go this route. This will be a great way to destroy the IJ saga. Lets turn it into a clearly anti-religious statement. All that would accomplish is to offend many people and get people riled up.

I don't see that Aliens will fit into the story at all. I hope this isn't true.
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Remember, Spielberg is fond of UFOs and ETs ! Hey, he even made 3 movies about them...

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Originally posted by: Number20I really hope Lucas doesn't go this route. This will be a great way to destroy the IJ saga. Lets turn it into a clearly anti-religious statement. All that would accomplish is to offend many people and get people riled up.

I don't see that Aliens will fit into the story at all. I hope this isn't true.


It is probably absolutely nowhere near my little prediction. But even if it was spot on, it wouldn't really be anti-religious as much as it would be rationalizing the superstition of the other films. I am sure plenty of people would see it as anti-religious, which would make sense of the Lucas quotes I added to my post. I certainly don't think it would ever go as far as to spell out what I wrote in my post, even if that was the direction I went down.

The evidence for the alien aspect of it is overwhelming. We have the words of one of the producers, we have the picture of the crystal skull itself, and now we have the Roswell thing. The only thing I really meant to speculate on this is that I am expecting that they will use the alien plot, which I think is probably George's MacGuffin that "was a little too ‘connected’ for the others", to rationalize the supernatural stuff from the other three films. Thus the supernatural artifacts from the past end up having something to do with aliens. I don't think this will be the main focus of the film, just an underlying plotline.

It would be interesting if through some strange turn of events the aliens will make a clone of Indy, or some how aquire Indy's baby or a woman impreginated by Indy, and through time travel take him back to a time long ago in their own galaxy, which is rather far away and raise him under a different name. Then they could make another series of movies about him when he grows up. He could save the galaxy and stuff. Hmm, maybe he could even have one of the aliens be his partner, kind of like Tonto and the Lone Ranger. Instead of the Lone Ranger, maybe he could be called the Solo Ranger or something to that effect. Perhaps somewhere along the way he could fall in love with a princess. I don't know about you guys, but I'd be buying my tickets opening week.

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Oh, I get it. You're talking about Hollywood Homicide, aren't you? I knew that sounded like some other Harrison Ford movie!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Oh, I get it. You're talking about Hollywood Homicide, aren't you? I knew that sounded like some other Harrison Ford movie!


ZIIIING!! I really didn't think anyone would get my subtle references! Gaffer, you sure do know your movies.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Well, what can I say? I keep up with the finest pieces of cinema.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Yeah, Hollywood Homicide was a master work, wasn't it? A truely great piece of cinematic history. Harrison Ford at his finest...

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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That trailer was SWEET. I can't wait. I see where everyone's coming from on this, thinking it will be bad, and maybe I'm naive, but I think it's going to rock, not just because of the trailer. I honestly think Spielberg has more class then to do a silly alien storyline. His last few movie have been pretty darn good, and even if Lucas has some bad ideas, my guess is that Spielberg will even things out. Plus, it's a new Indy movie! I've grown up watching these movies, and the idea of seeing a new one is just awesome. I think going back to the Radiers warehouse could be a pretty cool idea, too.
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Indiana Jones movies are like Rocky movies, there are no bad ones, they just won't be as great as the originals, and if you go in with those expectations, then you will enjoy it. As I said in another thread, as long as its got Ford, his hat and whip, and the music, even Lucas can't screw it up from the Producers Chair!

I will be interested to see the type of audience that goes that first weekend. Thirty-somethings like myself who grew up in the 80's with the Indy Trilogy? Twenty-Somethings who may have saw Last Crusade and grew up on VHS with them in the 90's? Will there be any from the 16-24 generation who wasn't alive when the Indy-craze was upon us, and will they even care to see it?
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The Indy-craze never died down. Indiana Jones has become a pop culture icon. Even Disneyland has an Indiana Jones ride, there have been serveral Indiana Jones video games which appeal kids who were way to young to have seen even The Last Crusade in the cinema. Thirty-somethings and over like youself, and twenty-somethings like me, have passed these things onto our own kids who loved them every bit as much as we did. Don't forget how many young kids filled the theaters in 1999 when the Phantom Menace was released. I went to see each of the SE in theaters in 1997, and I remember the theaters were filled with a ton of parents, fathers mostly, taking their young kids to see them. I bet there will be droves of people within the 16-24 generation there on opening night.

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Is it not possible that everyone is overreacting a wee bit at this juncture?

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Well, too my surprise I actually thought it looked pretty good. But then so did the teaser for Episode 1. Still, it does have Spielberg at the helm, so I doubt it'll be that bad.
Although I'm in the camp who thought Last Crusade was the worst of the Indy films, and I heard it's more in tone to that film than the other two. Oh well

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Well, anyone who's familiar with the "Free Hat" episode of South Park will see where this is headed. This movie's got so much going against it in my book right now it's ridiculous.

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Originally posted by: JediSage
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Guns aren't suitable for families? I grew up with cartoons that were filled with guns! Where do these people come from?

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Guns aren't suitable for families? I grew up with cartoons that were filled with guns! Where do these people come from?


I think thats a flawed argument. This has nothing to do with "suitability." Theres still an entire platoon of soldiers waving machine guns and shooting at Indy elsewhere in the trailer. I think its just an instance of one of the trailers being from a later source where either more or less soldiers were digitally added as per the filmmakers request. But whatever the case--its not like E.T. Theres not "sanitising" or "cleaning up" because in both trailers there are scores of soldiers pointing guns at Indy and then firing at him later on.