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Post #310195

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caligulathegod
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The Secret History of Star Wars
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Date created
14-Feb-2008, 6:28 AM
Sin is literally a transgression or violation against a law. It's not hard to apply that concept to other uses. However, the word "sin" has certain connotations. It implies a moral transgression rather than a general transgression. In proper English, one wouldn't describe a parking infraction as a sin. There's even some specific Catholic sin concepts that do go along with your thinking. Mortal sins, venial sins, etc. can be used in non-religious settings despite their religious roots. However, the term "Original Sin" is irretrievably religious and generally Catholic. Original Sin is a specific Christian concept referring to a sin committed by Adam and Eve and inherited by all of their offspring. Judaism nor Islam has it. It is not used in any other context except to invoke the first sin of mankind. Now, it can perhaps be used metaphorically in non-Christian contexts, but it's still meant to evoke the concept of a primary sin that is revisited upon heirs. I think that's what you are getting at. Despite its religious meanings it can be used in non-religious contexts meant to merely evoke the idea. The difference is that it is being used correctly. The meaning is right. With immaculate conception, when used metaphorically to evoke the virgin birth of Christ in comparison to the subject in discussion (be it Anakin or Perseus), it doesn't matter, it's still the wrong term. It's like talking about fruit and picking up a tomato and calling it a banana. It doesn't matter if a million people call it a banana, it's still a tomato. Some people do use it out of ignorance. Once they have been educated, they lose the excuse.

Our concern is not that you are using a religious phrase. I'm an atheist. I just care about using the correct phrase. Using a malapropism makes the user sound like Don King or even Tony Soprano. It has no place in a serious discussion, which I consider the Secret History of Star Wars to be.

Anyway, as I said, I really didn't want to make it a big deal (someone came in and repeated verbatim everything I had said which makes it seem like ganging up). You've corrected it, which is all we asked. I suppose now we're just getting caught up in trying to convince you. Either you are going to be convinced or you won't. It can't be forced. All I can do is point out the fallacy and let it go. It's not really important. I've been doing it since Phantom Menace came out (the phrase never really came up in conversation much until Anakin, hence most people's confusion-They hear the term and it seems to be an elegant way of referring to the virgin birth. Most people are shocked to find out it actually refers to such an esoteric concept.) and I probably will keep on. I'm the kind of person that when I get an email forward, I do the research (never takes more than a couple minutes) and send it back to everyone on the list pointing out what complete nonsense the letter is and how they should look this stuff up before they send it out (Barack Obama did not swear in on a Koran, for example). After a while they stop sending them to me. Most people would rather wallow in ignorance than embrace the truth. Sometimes I get carried away. If this whole discussion seemed that way then I apologize. It really was meant to be nothing more than a typo correction. Again, keep up the good work. We really all appreciate it.