Originally posted by: Fang Zei
How substantiative are the Trek changes?
Originally posted by: Fang Zei
I'm cutting anything from the special edition restoration onward out of the equation. I mean, there's what, several hundred differences between the SE and the OOT? Has any professional studio actually reconstructed an earlier version of one of their films in such a way instead of simply transferring an older print/IP? Whenever I talk about "those interpositives" I mean the most recently struck pre-SE IP, but for all I know that could be more than twenty years old at this point and beyond any hope of restoration. Going the route of private collectors (as suggested by Bill Hunt) and getting Criterion to spearhead it (as suggested by Jay) might be the only real option available.
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
"Existing prints are in poor condition." This quote from the form-response email sent out by LFL back in May of '06 to all of us outraged fans should be our starting point for the new petition. "So, they exist, and you could give us a remaster using them, you're just not going to?" should be our response. On the other hand, we need to first verify what exactly they mean by "existing prints." Does this mean they are acknowledging the fact that private collectors have prints of the OOT or does it in fact mean LFL actually still has some (or even some interpositives) lying around in the vault?
Originally posted by: generalfrevious
Well, we'll have to accept the laerdisc ports for the next 20-30 years; maybe someday well get a remastered OOT, but probably not in the first half of this century. Unfortunately, they'll have to try to recreate what it was in 1977 from the GOUT. But until hell freezes over Im jumping over to the star trek crowd until then.
Not sure how that would be a much better camp as far as this discussion goes. It's impossible to get the original theatrical versions of Star Treks I, II, and VI in an anamorphic DVD either.
Since I think it was you who brought this subject up in another thread, I'll cut you some slack for getting it wrong since I was actually going to list the specs of each original version's release and didn't get around to it.
The first dvd release of II was the original theatrical version and it was an anamorphic transfer.
Paramount released the old single disc editions in a weird order, it went something like this IIRC:
-First Contact, anamorphic, either day and date with the vhs in '97 (if it wasn't before the dvd format debuted ....) or a year later in '98
-Insurrection was day and date with the vhs in '99. I remember when we got our first dvd player in late spring of '99 (it was a father's day present to my dad) and going to see if the video store had a copy to rent and they were out so I rented it on pan n' scan vhs instead and watched it in the basement (I hadn't seen the movie at all yet in case you were wondering why I wanted to rent it).
-Of the pre-'97 movies, I think V and VI were released first for some reason (probably because they were the more recent movies). They were both non-anamorphic and VI was the home video cut with the operation retrieve scene and a few other differences.
-Generations was non-anamorphic
-Wrath of Khan was released in 2000 (I still remember seeing the Best Buy ad in the paper where it was listed under new releases coming out that Tuesday and thinking how odd (and yet cool at the same time) it was that they were starting with II). It was anamorphic, single layer and it was the original version. Search for Spock and Voyage Home were the same way, except Voyage Home was dual-layer.
It's funny, I actually saw a bunch of the old discs in the used section of an independent store early last year and was tempted to pick up II since it's the original version. I dunno, I guess I'm just hoping (just like with Star Wars) that they'll go all out for the inevitable hi-def release and put both versions on there.
EDIT: yea, knew I shouldn't have bothered to type all that out and wait to hit the button. Baronlando beat me to it.
At least he was able to accomplish that much.
However, the creation of a new petition on this site is long overdue: the OOT on Blu-ray.
Well, we'll have to accept the laerdisc ports for the next 20-30 years; maybe someday well get a remastered OOT, but probably not in the first half of this century. Unfortunately, they'll have to try to recreate what it was in 1977 from the GOUT. But until hell freezes over Im jumping over to the star trek crowd until then.
Not sure how that would be a much better camp as far as this discussion goes. It's impossible to get the original theatrical versions of Star Treks I, II, and VI in an anamorphic DVD either.
Since I think it was you who brought this subject up in another thread, I'll cut you some slack for getting it wrong since I was actually going to list the specs of each original version's release and didn't get around to it.
The first dvd release of II was the original theatrical version and it was an anamorphic transfer.
Paramount released the old single disc editions in a weird order, it went something like this IIRC:
-First Contact, anamorphic, either day and date with the vhs in '97 (if it wasn't before the dvd format debuted ....) or a year later in '98
-Insurrection was day and date with the vhs in '99. I remember when we got our first dvd player in late spring of '99 (it was a father's day present to my dad) and going to see if the video store had a copy to rent and they were out so I rented it on pan n' scan vhs instead and watched it in the basement (I hadn't seen the movie at all yet in case you were wondering why I wanted to rent it).
-Of the pre-'97 movies, I think V and VI were released first for some reason (probably because they were the more recent movies). They were both non-anamorphic and VI was the home video cut with the operation retrieve scene and a few other differences.
-Generations was non-anamorphic
-Wrath of Khan was released in 2000 (I still remember seeing the Best Buy ad in the paper where it was listed under new releases coming out that Tuesday and thinking how odd (and yet cool at the same time) it was that they were starting with II). It was anamorphic, single layer and it was the original version. Search for Spock and Voyage Home were the same way, except Voyage Home was dual-layer.
It's funny, I actually saw a bunch of the old discs in the used section of an independent store early last year and was tempted to pick up II since it's the original version. I dunno, I guess I'm just hoping (just like with Star Wars) that they'll go all out for the inevitable hi-def release and put both versions on there.
EDIT: yea, knew I shouldn't have bothered to type all that out and wait to hit the button. Baronlando beat me to it.
Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: zombie84
True, but having said that all we got with Ward was a Laserdisk port.
Originally posted by: zombie84
True, but having said that all we got with Ward was a Laserdisk port.
At least he was able to accomplish that much.
However, the creation of a new petition on this site is long overdue: the OOT on Blu-ray.
"Existing prints are in poor condition." This quote from the form-response email sent out by LFL back in May of '06 to all of us outraged fans should be our starting point for the new petition. "So, they exist, and you could give us a remaster using them, you're just not going to?" should be our response. On the other hand, we need to first verify what exactly they mean by "existing prints." Does this mean they are acknowledging the fact that private collectors have prints of the OOT or does it in fact mean LFL actually still has some (or even some interpositives) lying around in the vault?
How substantiative are the Trek changes?
Originally posted by: Fang Zei
I'm cutting anything from the special edition restoration onward out of the equation. I mean, there's what, several hundred differences between the SE and the OOT? Has any professional studio actually reconstructed an earlier version of one of their films in such a way instead of simply transferring an older print/IP? Whenever I talk about "those interpositives" I mean the most recently struck pre-SE IP, but for all I know that could be more than twenty years old at this point and beyond any hope of restoration. Going the route of private collectors (as suggested by Bill Hunt) and getting Criterion to spearhead it (as suggested by Jay) might be the only real option available.
Ahem. http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa121.html#fr
Basically it comes down to them not wanting to spend the cash, which I wish that they'd just say.
"That's right, we can do this, but Lucas won't so we're fucking over the fans. Now buy more of our shit."
That's basically what they should just come and say.
I'd be all for a new petition or SOMETHING. I'd like to do SOMETHING. But, since Lucas won't change his mind, I doubt that it will matter anyway.