Originally posted by: BMaddenOriginally posted by: Kurgan
I sense the pride and loyalty these folks have for him that they feel protective, but some of it just comes off as patronizing, if not rude.
I don't want to derail this thread any further, but I just have to call BS on this statement. How is it patronizing or rude to defend Adywan after he's said that he has done everything he originally envisioned with this edit and that he doesn't want to make any further changes?[/quote]
I don't want to derail it either, but I'll explain what I meant. It is because it asks us to assume that the vast majority of people giving feedback were making unreasonable demands or expressing themselves in a rude manner... that their contributions were negative, and somehow an affront to adywan himself. The impression was given that anyone expressing criticism (no matter how diplomatically worded) was attacking the project, bashing adywan himself and expressing ingratitude. Often such posts were filled with "I thought it was perfect/ didn't have a problem with that" types of comments which sounded like they were trying to distance themselves from the feedback (ie: I'm one of the good guys because I never made any criticisms). It was setup as if these people were pretending to be ady's friends and the rest of us were his enemies.
Maybe that sounds like taking it to an extreme, but it's true that not everyone has read and responded to every post in this thread. I think people are reacting TOO defensively on his behalf and in the process attacking a lot of other people with blanket statements about how criticism is immoral. I find that objectionable, and it sounds like they think adywan can't take care of himself or make his own decisions.
I especially hate the "you can't please everybody" types of responses, as if people were making unreasonable demands. Two shots were consistently mentioned as deserving further attention on here... the TIE sequence at the end, and the cut off forearm shot. So as far as I can see, anyone commenting on those two things had every right to, regardless of what adywan decide(s). There's no reason to bash people who made constructive feedback or to imply that anyone who did is bashing adywan himself or needs to be silenced.
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I'm sure there are little fixes here and there he could address, but he's stated time and time again that he's satisfied with the edit and officially done with it.[/quote]
Actually he didn't say that until many posts later, but some people were acting as if he'd said that first and then people had piled criticism on him unfairly. Adywan isn't George Lucas so let's not bring in that baggage here. He considered the criticisms to valid that he modified the "flipper" himself and put in the test images for the hand. He even said he'd changed it!
So people getting upset and hoping to somehow retroactively remove the criticism just comes off as strange. What do they want to happen.. for adywan to say "just kidding" and leave the flipper shot as it was on the Xvid? I don't understand the point of that. And what are you going to do anyway if people keep making suggestions? He can just ignore them once he's made up his mind. But again, not everyone can be bothered to read the entire nearly 200 post thread to see what questions aren't permitted to be asked anymore (and no offense, but is this adywan's forum... even if it's his thread?).
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The "rude" people are the ones who keep pestering him to make additional tweaks or changes.[/quote]
Can you name some of these people? I consider it far more rude to attack someone who is giving feedback, telling them that they need to stop pestering adywan. Surely adywan can tell them this himself, and if they won't listen, he can ignore them. Has he appointed these folks his spokesmen on the forum to say what can and can't be asked?
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My feeling is this: either enjoy it for what it is, the best SW fan edit ever and something that surpasses what Lucas gave us in 1997 and 2004, or move along and don't bother watching it.