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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 144

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Neil has a gimmick and reputation to live up to. He likes it that he goes against the grain, he wants to be unique. Makes him stand out as important.
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Sorry for the lash out......I just can't stand people acting like that no matter who they are!
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Ady *IF* you re-render the credits again I generally prefer "Mojo." "Mojo_LA" is what I use when "Mojo" is already taken :-)

That's if you don't hate me now and have crossed out my name with a razor blade.

In any case, you have done amazing work. You should seriously look into gettng work as a composite artist in any of the UK effects houses. In all my years working as a CG supervisor, I rarely see someone with your talent and creativity walk in the door.

And the pay is good!
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PIF....

I moderate a forum ("Yahoo Group", technically) dedicated to facilitating the trading of concert bootlegs from a particular band. Our group existed long before torrents and other such download methods were available (heck, we used to trade cassettes). Various distribution methods have been used over the years, and the changes were usually related to Quality Control. The copies in circulation (downstream) were only as good as the methods used upstream, and we were seeing errors whether due to poor technical knowledge, bad burning programs (Easy CD Creator, anyone?), cheap media, or whatever. Now, I realize that audio CDs are more susceptible to errors being introduced via copying than DVDs are. But still, problems can arise. If they arise early in the chain, then the problems are compounded.

It got to the point that we began sending out master discs for people to copy for themselves and then pass on to the next person. Yes, it was slow, but everyone was happy with the results. And with multiple recordings in circulation, there were plenty to go around. For DVDs the master disc sometimes only contains an ISO image file so that one would be less inclined to keep the disc for himself and also to increase the chance of a perfect copy. But I digress....

Personally, I haven't figured out yet how I will obtain a copy of this one. I've got a slow internet connection, so a download is unlikely. I've engaged in some private 1:1 trading with OT.com members, and that has worked well. Or maybe I'll sign up for a PIF chain. Whatever the case, I like the idea of verifying if my copy is faithful to what Adywan originally distributes. The best way to do this is with an MD5 checksum. Some DVDs I've received have the checksum file included in an EXTRAS folder on the DVD itself. For other DVDs, the author has made the MD5 available somewhere online to snag and utilize for verification.

Adywan, will you be creating MD5 checksums for the contents of this DVD? It's quite simple if you've never done so before. I could give you tips if you are interested. Also, I could answer some distribution-related questions if you've got some. Feel free to PM me.

Thanks for all your hard work.

Pink Floyd -- First in Space

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I don't know if being a board member since 2003 is a gimmick. Or if having an opinion is as well. Seriously, can we drop this already?
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Once again, I'll do what I can to PIF in the US to as many as possible. I've already got about 5 people at my workplace alone who have seen the Xvid and are salivating for DVD copies.

Also, I'm saddened to see this once friendly and positive thread( and the wonderful work by Adywan that inspired it) poisoned by rudeness, nitpickery and rancor. Adywan's SE is the only SE of A New Hope I will ever watch again, regardless of whether some CGI flipper or blink-and-you'll-miss-it DS surface shot doesnt hold up under intense, freeze-framed scrutiny.

Whatever "weaknesses" are present in Adywan's edition are far less glaring and distracting to me than that travesty that passes for an official SE. Thanks for a terrific creation, Ady. Your efforts are extremely appreciated.

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Originally posted by: Denryanj
Also, I'm saddened to see this once friendly and positive thread( and the wonderful work by Adywan that inspired it) poisoned by rudeness, nitpickery and rancor.


"Oh no! The Rancor!"
-- C3PO

Apparently even Threepio was bothered by all this. I think the simplest way to avoid any further bad vibes would just be to stop critiquing this thing. The edit's done, so the point is moot. Let's just enjoy this amazing version of the film and move on.

And, as per a previous request, here's a calm, soothing picture of a kitten to help us all relax.
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“It’s a lot of fun… it’s a lot of fun to watch Star Wars.” – Bill Moyers

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Originally posted by: corellian77
And, as per a previous request, here's a calm, soothing picture of a kitten to help us all relax.


"I'm in yer thredz, soothin yer rancor"

Ron Moses

Avoid infestation. Rotate.

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And, as per a previous request, here's a calm, soothing picture of a kitten to help us all relax.
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That kitten is possessed by Pazuzu.



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Originally posted by: corellian77
Originally posted by: Denryanj
Also, I'm saddened to see this once friendly and positive thread( and the wonderful work by Adywan that inspired it) poisoned by rudeness, nitpickery and rancor.


"Oh no! The Rancor!"
-- C3PO

Apparently even Threepio was bothered by all this. I think the simplest way to avoid any further bad vibes would just be to stop critiquing this thing. The edit's done, so the point is moot. Let's just enjoy this amazing version of the film and move on.

And, as per a previous request, here's a calm, soothing picture of a kitten to help us all relax.
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6210/135030pcfloorpuzzlekittcg9.jpg


Well bloody said! Let's just enjoy what we have which is great, and when the dvd is released it will be better still.




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Well it looks like I'm still the only sod who hasn't seen this.
Not for the want of trying. Having a useless sky broadband connection doesn't help for one, and having a missus that turns of my pc every five minutes doesn't help either.

So for me, a pif is probably my only option.




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I guess I didn't understand how PIF worked. I just planned to mail copies out to 3-4 of my friends, absorbing all the costs involved myself (none of them are regulars here that I know of, and only one I know for sure has a working DVD-burner). I highly doubt they'll be mailing 3 copies each, so if that's the case, best to leave me off so I don't get on somebody's sh** list. I want a copy as much as anyone else, but I can wait an extra week to get mine if it means avoiding becoming a pariah around here.


Btw, what is it with people getting so angry over the constructive criticism of the movie? Relax. Adywan asked for feedback. If he can't handle that, then he shouldn't have asked...

But he's made it over 18 months with people's feedback, so I don't think people's dreams of him doing ESB and ROTJ will be shattered just because he got too many posts asking him to fix the flipper (my idea) or the TIE shot (I have no gripe with that one).

Notice how he decided to fix a bunch of other things people weren't really complaining about. It's his call what he wants to work on, so I really find the condescending "stop complaining about minor things, this is perfect, be so grateful because this is the best star wars edit ever" gushing really annoying, since it's directed presumably at everyone who gave feedback, not just the people who didn't do so in a polite or constructive enough manner. First everyone responds with their feedback, then everyone is rushing to condemn any and all feedback because it might be hurting ady's feelings and stop him from giving us all the goodies we want from him.

I sense the pride and loyalty these folks have for him that they feel protective, but some of it just comes off as patronizing, if not rude.
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Originally posted by: Kurgan

I sense the pride and loyalty these folks have for him that they feel protective, but some of it just comes off as patronizing, if not rude.



I don't want to derail this thread any further, but I just have to call BS on this statement. How is it patronizing or rude to defend Adywan after he's said that he has done everything he originally envisioned with this edit and that he doesn't want to make any further changes? I'm sure there are little fixes here and there he could address, but he's stated time and time again that he's satisfied with the edit and officially done with it. The "rude" people are the ones who keep pestering him to make additional tweaks or changes. My feeling is this: either enjoy it for what it is, the best SW fan edit ever and something that surpasses what Lucas gave us in 1997 and 2004, or move along and don't bother watching it.

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Originally posted by: BMadden
Originally posted by: Kurgan

I sense the pride and loyalty these folks have for him that they feel protective, but some of it just comes off as patronizing, if not rude.



I don't want to derail this thread any further, but I just have to call BS on this statement. How is it patronizing or rude to defend Adywan after he's said that he has done everything he originally envisioned with this edit and that he doesn't want to make any further changes?[/quote]

I don't want to derail it either, but I'll explain what I meant. It is because it asks us to assume that the vast majority of people giving feedback were making unreasonable demands or expressing themselves in a rude manner... that their contributions were negative, and somehow an affront to adywan himself. The impression was given that anyone expressing criticism (no matter how diplomatically worded) was attacking the project, bashing adywan himself and expressing ingratitude. Often such posts were filled with "I thought it was perfect/ didn't have a problem with that" types of comments which sounded like they were trying to distance themselves from the feedback (ie: I'm one of the good guys because I never made any criticisms). It was setup as if these people were pretending to be ady's friends and the rest of us were his enemies.

Maybe that sounds like taking it to an extreme, but it's true that not everyone has read and responded to every post in this thread. I think people are reacting TOO defensively on his behalf and in the process attacking a lot of other people with blanket statements about how criticism is immoral. I find that objectionable, and it sounds like they think adywan can't take care of himself or make his own decisions.

I especially hate the "you can't please everybody" types of responses, as if people were making unreasonable demands. Two shots were consistently mentioned as deserving further attention on here... the TIE sequence at the end, and the cut off forearm shot. So as far as I can see, anyone commenting on those two things had every right to, regardless of what adywan decide(s). There's no reason to bash people who made constructive feedback or to imply that anyone who did is bashing adywan himself or needs to be silenced.

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I'm sure there are little fixes here and there he could address, but he's stated time and time again that he's satisfied with the edit and officially done with it.[/quote]

Actually he didn't say that until many posts later, but some people were acting as if he'd said that first and then people had piled criticism on him unfairly. Adywan isn't George Lucas so let's not bring in that baggage here. He considered the criticisms to valid that he modified the "flipper" himself and put in the test images for the hand. He even said he'd changed it!

So people getting upset and hoping to somehow retroactively remove the criticism just comes off as strange. What do they want to happen.. for adywan to say "just kidding" and leave the flipper shot as it was on the Xvid? I don't understand the point of that. And what are you going to do anyway if people keep making suggestions? He can just ignore them once he's made up his mind. But again, not everyone can be bothered to read the entire nearly 200 post thread to see what questions aren't permitted to be asked anymore (and no offense, but is this adywan's forum... even if it's his thread?).

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The "rude" people are the ones who keep pestering him to make additional tweaks or changes.[/quote]

Can you name some of these people? I consider it far more rude to attack someone who is giving feedback, telling them that they need to stop pestering adywan. Surely adywan can tell them this himself, and if they won't listen, he can ignore them. Has he appointed these folks his spokesmen on the forum to say what can and can't be asked?

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My feeling is this: either enjoy it for what it is, the best SW fan edit ever and something that surpasses what Lucas gave us in 1997 and 2004, or move along and don't bother watching it.


I strongly disagree. This fan edit is no different than any other in terms of the freedom of members of this forum to comment on it, either directly to the guy who created it or to no one in particular. Unless the board admins step in and shut us down that's how it's going to be. As I see it, adywan, from the very start 18 months ago put himself and his project "on the line" and open for criticism (constructive or otherwise). He didn't have to do so. He could have avoided the forum, or just ignored people's comments, or just said "no" repeatedly. He could have just released it and said "done."

I hate to bring up Lucas again, but this is distrurbingly like that train of thought some used to defend whatever GL was doing "well if you don't like it... shut up, or make your own/don't watch it." Unlike Lucas, adywan put this up as a forum thread over a year ago in order to get feedback, and he's directly solicited it multiple times. He doesn't have to read or respond to every suggestion here, but he chooses to do so for many of them, and that in turn encourages people to give it.


It's not that people DON'T LIKE IT (star wars revisited), it's that many of us have suggestions, and we have opinions of what works and doesn't, and since he even ASKED for feedback, we're giving it to him. If he doesn't like the feedback he's getting, he has some choices... he can change parts of it (he's free to choice whatever he likes amongst the comments or follow none of them at all), he can do nothing and defend it, or just ignore it. Most of us would like the fan edit to be better and think it would if a few (small) things were altered.

So it's not a case of tons of people giving contradictory information either, so it's not a "can't please everybody so don't bother" type of thing either. The discussion about whether to use a flipper or human hand was something that adywan was unsure about but tried both. The idea of putting up both as extras on the disc was even mentioned. So it's really a false argument to put forth that somehow adywan was being overwhelmed and trying to please everyone and failing, so some intervention was needed to protect him from criticism by shouting down/chastising the critics. This fan edit isn't an "all or nothing/love it or leave it" kinda deal. The 2004 editions can't be changed, because Fox/Lucasfilm were unwilling to listen to criticism (they just called whatever mistakes they made "deliberate, creative decisions"). So fan edits like these are the only outlet for people who don't have the time and tools to make their own fan edits (and who would expect a million different "fixed 2004 editions"? that doesn't make much sense).

One doesn't have to consider the false dichotomy of declaring it the best SW fan edit ever or refusing to watch it. One can watch it and make comments about it. If not, then the admins need to lock this thread and forbid discussion of anything but the distribution.


The bottom line is I don't like being told that my feedback doesn't count, or that I'm not allowed to give it (I can't force any fan editor to do my bidding, after all, they're just suggestions and feedback), especially by somebody who isn't an admin. I imagine I'm not the only one.


Hope that clears things up. I wasn't planning to waste a lot of thread space on that side of it. I'd rather just enjoy a fan edit, but as long as an editor is willing to listen to feedback, I'll give it in spades! If he doesn't want to listen and I'm still not happy, I'll tell anyone else I please as long as it's a free forum.

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^^^^ ack! quick - bring back the kitten!!! ^^^^^

Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness - Chinese proverb

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Kurgan,

You're entitled to your opinion just as I'm entitled to mine so on most points we'll just have to agree to disagree. Personally, I find it objectionable when a guy has worked his ass off for 18 months straight on something that he will be giving away for FREE only to encounter a thread full of people "nit-picking" and requesting tweaks, fixes, changes, etc. The quote from Ady "now I know how George Lucas feels" summed it up perfectly. Some Star Wars fans will NEVER be happy and nothing is going to change that. Ady could go back and make every minor change that's been requested in this thread and then have a whole new list of requests thrown his way. It never ends!!! Personally, I think we're all lucky to have someone as devoted as Ady to take the time and fix all of the things that were wrong with the 1997 and 2004 Special Editions. Will his edit be 100% perfect? No, it won't be, but it will still be a helluva lot better than the two efforts we got from Lucasfilm and to me that speaks volumes.


Hopefully we can put all this useless bickering to rest once and for all and just look forward to the DVD release.
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Raoul Duke - "Our vibrations were getting nasty --but why? Was there no communication in this thread? Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?"

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Maybe a different kitten?

LightWave = fun times with gfx for me 😃

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Hi fellow Starwarzers,

I've been reading this thread with great anticipation and amusement for the last few weeks but have been busy with life so have been away. I am willing to PIF the film as well. So please let me know when it starts and tell me what to do as i haven't done it before. Gorilla and HotRod, I too as well haven't seen the edit (just don't have any time) but am staying patient until i can get a copy of the dvd. Then we will rejoice...

What a cute kitten Corellian77. Swwisshhhh!!! My lightsaber has blocked Focuspuller's lightsaber slash to the kitten. Bannnnnngg i've blocked him!! Correllian77 is sniggering...Me saying to Focuspuller: "go for the kitten? my...how could you??!!!!" "The hate is swelling in you nowwww...."

Now the battle commences with Correllian77 observing from his black high-backed chair......


On a serious note I think Ady deserves a rest now. The project is now complete says he so we should now not discuss edits any more (i've also been following the great flipper debate of 2008 with high amusement - something to tell the grandkids about in distant future...with one on my lap and my grandchild staring up at me in wonder..ahh..).

I was thinking now that we'll all get this dvd copy eventually so we can now do our own edits if need be. Ady has now laid a groundwork from which we can build on. Mojo_la you're ideas are very good and the suggestions you've made are good. So once you get a copy then you can make another version and i'm sure there are others in the forum who would like to see what you can do...(me included!).

Ady, your health, wealth, happiness and family comes first. I've read back that you've put in 14-hour days of work. And now your health is worsening and got tooth ache. You should take a break after the dvd. ESB and ROTJ can wait a year. After all they're only movies that are total fantasies and take us away from the 'real' world. We can watch them to escape from the real world but once finished, its back to the grind.

I know i'm uttering blasphemies here!! No offense, i'm a total star wars nutter like many of you! in fact i may be an extreme nutter (i've read almost all starwars novels etc etc) but i got my priorities where it counts.

Finally I agree with you about the UK though. Politics means to look after the affairs of the people. They should be servants to us. Rather they (the government both local and national) look after themselves. Ady you have friends here now. If there is anything you need (even private dentist) just ask us. Charity starts with the family first then friends. I'm willing to contribute. A cracked tooth is painful indeed. It will stop you from doing what you want in life.

I'd better just shut up now. have been ranting and raving too long here. I apologise if i've offended anybody in advance. None intended, just concerned for Ady.

Bane

ps. again thanks Ady for completing your project. Congratulations once again!!

pss. i'm from the UK too
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And to continue Nanner's theme and as it is probably appropriate for Ady by this stage:
"The possibility of physical and mental collapse is now......very real"

I agree.Possibly a different kitten.
Or a prairie dog.

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If Adywan edits his edit, has he then turned to the dark side? Will he not have become the George Lucas beast himself?

I find all this terribly funny. The parallels and irony that are embedded in this recent discussion are impossible to ignore.

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