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Originally posted by: vbangle
Can people please stop picking apart this awesome fan edit? If you don't like what Ady's done make your own. For fuck's sake.

Why in the hell would anybody want to expose themselves to this crap is beyond me....just another reason to be in awe of Adywan IMO.


No one is saying adywan did a terrible job. ron2112 just found what he believed was a blooper. Adywan might fix this, but I guess it's too late. I think it's fine pointing out little mistakes. Maybe someone else will fix them in their edits.

Personally, I don't really care about this little blooper.
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I agree Ady - it should be Ponda's arm

Nobody is picking apart Ady's edit - everything has been offered as 'constructive' - Ady asked for people's opinions on the flipper a couple of pages back. Every post I have seen has been full of awe, respect and gratitude for what he has done. Plus a lot of wild excited gibbering!
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Originally posted by: Fuser
lol - I forgot there was a battle droid to find too! I havent found George yet - though I was looking for old George...

Ady - the flipper: initially I admit it 'threw me' as it looked really odd - but I think that is because I wasnt expecting it.
I've quickly flicked back a few frames though and it is pigfacedude pointing the blaster - which then ends up on the floor. Its obviously a fault with the original - they must have forgotten who was supposed to be shooting - but if you look at the sequence of events, it is the human who gives Luke some stick, then he throws Luke to the floor and brings out a blaster, Obi-Wan lights up and swings, and it is the human who falls back first. So really, it should be his arm on the floor I reckon!

I think maybe I'm getting too anal here, but I just got out the novelisation which reads "the man found himself lying prone against the bar, moaning and whimpering as he stared at the stump of an arm"

I'm afraid I think the only totally correct solution here would be somehow to have the humans arm down there. But even the gun on the floor doesnt match the one that was drawn. And frankly, I really dont think it matters. As you've pointed out, the flipper now matches what was seen earlier - and the cauterised stump makes far more sense.

All the advice I would offer is this - if it bothers YOU, change it. If not - leave it!


I think making the flipper look more like it did in the early Cantina cut (from the Behind the Magic CD-ROM) would be the best.

At least it looked more like a hand (a rubber mitten, the same type of flipper you see, but tilted slightly, so you can see that it's flat, without creating the illusion that it's a sphere of gray-green rubber at the end of the stump) that could hold something (though pulling the trigger is another matter). Sure, the human hand would be most realistic, but ady is dead set on putting Ponda Boba's hand in there (it's the orange sleeves!). The shot doesn't look as good as it could, and on that we agree. I think we all knew he was going to replace it, so we just want it to look the best it can! He shortened the sleeve and added some smoke (that looks kinda fakey, now that I think about it, like one of those home-made fake videos about somebody getting their hand cut off by a saber, the smoke is too thick and white or doesn't move realistically, I don't know, but the smoke is just a touch, the real problem is the way the flipper looks on "camera").


Agreed about the feedback. Ady wouldn't have to ask for feedback. He could have just posted his edit and that would have been it. Why even bother with the forums? Though it's his call, he does care somewhat about what people think or notice, or he wouldn't bother being here. Most of the people here don't seem to mind too much if the release is delayed somewhat (even if we all really want it "right here, right now" delivered in a big shiny box, heh), if it means it will be that much more improved, as it's already had so many delays. People are excited and hope he leaps immediately into ESB and ROTJ, but again, that's up to him (do I really have the patience to wait two more years to see the fixed Rancor/sabers/emperor's slugs/matte boxes corrected w/out Hayden, "Wesa Fwee!" and the bad colors? yikes! still, if somebody is doing it, that's cool with me).

But adywan isn't lacking in the support department. At best one or two people bad mouthed him and there's over a hundred pages of positive comments on here. There's people who will say he's awesome and love whatever he puts out. But many have made suggestions, and overall he's been positive in return to the constructive feedback and put a bunch of people from here in the credits! That's cool. So please, the people who fell they need to protect him from constructive feedback, don't worry. Notice how easily he can say "no" to people and shut them down if he disagrees with their ideas. The delays were due to his own initiative (or hardware failures), not because he got discouraged from somebody making too many suggestions or phrasing them wrong (I admit though, the "prima donna developer" is a perennial problem on the internet... many creative people seem to have fragile egos... but ady is above that).

The NTSC DVD-9 is still "many weeks away" (a month (?) after the other DVD's which are "weeks away") so I for one don't mind waiting if it'll be better. Right now the Panda hand is the one edit that stands out as "hey, look at me, I'm different, but not quite believable!" The wolfman hand may be "wrong" but it looks better, much more natural. So.... good luck!
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Originally posted by: adywan
Originally posted by: ron2112
I think I found a small blooper, and it doesn't appear to be on the original DVD. It's at about 1:33:49 according to WMP. Han destroys the TIE and then his seat swivels to the right, but his turret does not follow. It remains aimed where it was when he last fired it. Just thought I should mention it.

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That would be in the original too because i haven't done anything to the position of the gun turrets


That's interesting. I just checked my NTSC 2004 DVD and the turret clearly moves with Han... I don't know what to make of that. Sadly I don't have the means to grab the two clips, but that's okay, it's entirely irrelevant either way.

Ady, I have to say again, this is awesome work. I can't wait to watch the actual DVD. Great, great stuff.

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If there's one thing Adywan has shown throughout the 162 pages of this thread it's that he is about the most level-headed guy around. Honestly, I don't think he minds if people make suggestions or point out things that he may have missed so it's certainly not going to ruffle his feathers if people complain about something. Having said that, this whole debate about the severed arm is making a mountain out of a molehill. It's one shot out of a 2 hour film and personally it's a take it or leave it kind of scenario. If I had to choose, I'd probably go with the bloody stump from the original movie because as it was pointed out earlier, there was blood sprayed when Maul was cut in half. However, if Ady wants it this way it's more than his right to do it and nobody should complain. After all the work he's done and the gift he's given us the only one with any say so in this matter should be him.

By the way, Ady, over at the fanedit.org forums they're absolutely RAVING about the work you've done on this. Your work is appreciated in places outside this forum as well.
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it would be boring if everyone agreed with what i have done. Just look what a certain GL released after he surrounded himself with "yes" men. I knew when i started this that it's impossible to create an edit that would please everyone so i just kept it pretty close to what i wanted to see, as originally intended. The constructive criticism helps me stand back and take a look at all the suggestions and if i thought it would work then i tried it, if not then i went ahead with my vision.

The way things are working at the moment ALL formats of the DVD's will be available at the same time

i've also just looked at the shots in the gun turret that you mentioned and i'm horrified that i didn't notice this. that shot should not have been in there as it was only a test shot and not the final one. If you look closely, in the last few frames as han moves the chair, the gun goes over the top chair. i need to try and find the intended shot now. god thats going to be a task and a half. i've only got a few hundred shots too look through to find it . I'm glad you spotted that one Ron

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my graphics card on my main PC decided to crap out on me (dammit) and I can't get a replacement til tomorrow sometime.

I'm redownloading it from the newsgroup onto my laptop and will look for any typos in the credits this evening after the Packers destroy the Giants in the Frozen Tundra
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The way things are working at the moment ALL formats of the DVD's will be available at the same time




Ady, does that mean the DVD5 is being pushed back or the DVD9 is being released sooner than originally planned?
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But the point is Kurgan, you cannot please everyone, he cannot make a custom one for everyone. Everyone has their own style and opinions. He could do this forever and never do enough variations to please everyone.
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Originally posted by: BMadden

The way things are working at the moment ALL formats of the DVD's will be available at the same time




Ady, does that mean the DVD5 is being pushed back or the DVD9 is being released sooner than originally planned?


Well because there are a few tweaks that need doing i have more time to work on the supplemental stuff and the dvd structure while i work on the tweaks, so it may be sooner or delayed a week or so

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Originally posted by: adywan
I'm glad you spotted that one Ron


Oh good, I don't feel like nearly so much of a dick for mentioning it now.

Ron Moses

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The way things are working at the moment ALL formats of the DVD's will be available at the same time


Great news indeed. I must say that the biggest compliment out there would be to say that as I watched the movie, even though I know all the work that was done and the shots that were changed, I didn't feel all that much was different (aside from the obvious new additions). It was all that seamless. Even though literally every second of film has some sort of restoration/enhancement done to the audio and video, it all worked as a whole and didn't jump out as a "hey look at how different I am from the original!"

What I especially loved about this edit:

    The stars; oh, the stars! Great to see 'em again.

    The music was at a perfect volume throughout. No overly quiet moments like the prequel mix, or blaring in your ear and washing out the dialog/sound effects. The binary sunset and descent on the Death Star are good examples of the quality here.

    The TIE attack at the end! This was the "Holy Sh!t" moment for me! Great rendering and fantastic use of the Imperial March. This one shot alone looks as good as anything ILM has done.


In the end, I thoroughly satisfying Star Wars experience. For some reason, I feel like buying more Star Wars Wars stuff now

Thanks Ady for one helluva job!

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The stars!!! Oh the stars!!!!
Agree with you 200% there!
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The gun turret not turning with Han could simply by fixed by shorting the shot to the frame before it happens. But it's no big deal with me, maybe the falcon has a few minor gliches, it is known as a piece of junk to some people, you know.

I could see the power cord near Kenobi's sleeve in a couple of duel shots, although no biggie at all.


I still guess it would be too hard to paint out the human guy posing as Jawa or edit it in someway where he would not be seen?


I recall Ady said it was too difficult to paint out the power pack/cords up Luke's sleeve when he ignites the saber in Kenobi's house. But with all the other amazing things he did, it seems like that would be an easy frame-by-frame fix.


But I know nothing about how difficult these things can be, because I haven't used the editing software.
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I grabbed this off the news groups yesterday and have been seeding it ever since, but unfortunately I haven't had a chance to sit down and watch it yet, but I've flicked through and what I've seen is amazing.

On the subject of 'the arm' it does look a bit wrong to me, but I have commend Adywan for using a model (something Lucas is no longer brave enough to do) and it looks great compared to the version from the 'lost cut':

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8868/handyv8.jpg

Until today I just assumed it was meant to be Pona Baba's arm but ignoring what the novel and script say and any bits of secondary canon, just looking at the film Ponda Baba never actually draws a gun and wouldn't really have time to.

I had a look through and here you can see the human draw a gun, note Ponda Baba's hands still at his sides:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9878/94155451yq4.jpg

Then we see it is still only the human holding a gun, the next shot after this is obi-wan slashing at the arm:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3221/30689862jg0.jpg

I think the idea that it is Ponda Baba's arm just came from a continuity mistake in the editing and that it is the same as his sleeve, but really it never could be his arm.

Personally I think it would make more sense if it was a human arm (great possibility for Adywan (his arm anyway) to make a cameo), it's a shame this has only come up after Adywan had finished his edit.

But like I said everything else looks great.
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Just finished watching it.

Wow... just, wow. Like others have said already, this will replace the '04 DVD of ANH for me. I can't wait to show it to my friends over the coming days.

I'd go on in detail about everything I loved, but thanks to seventiesfilmnut, I think he covered all I had to say Other than that, the colour and sound were exceptional; there were a few lines of dialogue that I hadn't even heard before, which your edit seemed to pull out of the background (e.g., 3PO saying "OH NO" as R2 is shutting down the garbage compactor).

Let me just say again that I find the "flipper shot" in the cantina to be great as is. I still don't see any lighting problems with it, but as a few others have mentioned it, I guess my opinion's in the minority. Perhaps a "reshoot" of the flipper would yield lighting results others would be happy with, and if so great, but whatever you do please keep the flipper instead of the hairy paw. As I've mentioned, it's a fix I was delighted to finally see.

And now, in keeping with what seems to be my new tradition, I shall end with a couple questions:

1. Ady, I found the editing of the scene between Luke and Ben in Ben's hut to be exceptionally well done. I'm just curious - what was your motivation for re-editing this scene? Was this how it originally was shot?

2. If a tweaking of the end credits is going to be done, I wanted to poll others on here and ask: do people want to keep their forum names in the credits, or would they prefer to have their real names listed? I was thinking about this myself, and wanted to know what other people thought.


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Just wanted to add something. I really hate to give any sort of criticism of this edit, but the only thing that didn't look quite right to me was the Falcon coming out of hyperspace around Yavin. It somehow looked a little "off;" perhaps the transition between zooming in and it flying was jerky, perhaps the "zoom in" needed to be faster... I can't put my finger on it, but I just wanted to throw that out there in case it was something you wanted to have a look at.

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I have commend Adywan for using a model (something Lucas is no longer brave enough to do)

Actually more miniatures and models were used in each prequal then the entire OT combined. Watch some of the "making-of" docus sometime. A lot of physical models were used for the prequels.
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Originally posted by: Sevb32
I have commend Adywan for using a model (something Lucas is no longer brave enough to do)

Actually more miniatures and models were used in each prequal then the entire OT combined. Watch some making of docus sometime. A lot of physical models were used for the prequels.


My comment was more directed at his misuse of CG in the special editions rather than the prequels, but they didn't make a single suit of clone-trooper armour and hence none of them look real, they might of used a lot of models, but they could have done with using a lot more and a few more real locations and real sets, I think the real problem is when you take a model shot and cover it in CG it makes the model look like CG as well.

But I concede it was a bit of a low blow at Lucas, however this isn't really the place for that discussion.
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But Lucas had pretty much exausted his real world locations with the OT (Snow, forest, Desert), he had to create some more exotic enviroments somehow.

I would agree some clonetrooper suits should have been built though, but there is no need to turn this into an Lucas bashfest, if it weren't for him none of us would be here.
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Frist off, amazing, simply amazing. Hands down best version of the film I've seen so far.

Now a few comments if I may. I don't know if I would have used the imperial march only because in my mind it will always be part of that great intro in Empire, but it works. I don't have a problem with the "flipper", it could be tweaked perhaps but using it as apposed to the other arm is valid. Tech comment, I've noticed that during the Death Star attck, when the new tie fighters come pouring in, they look great, BUT, the surface of the death under them looks very blurry, like a low rendered video game skin, check it out. Otherwise everything looksamazing, as I said, the best I've seen the film.

p.s. I hope you don't mind me saying so. I dont know if I would have put my name so close to the begining of the credits, even Rick McCallum's name and others for the special edition are towards the end. I hope that you don't think anything I've said is silly or too anal.

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I just thought the Death Star was suposed to be a lil blurry because it's distant and a lil out of focus in that shot.
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Ady I watched this thoroughly yesterday and was really amazed at the amount of work you put into this, I agree with everyone that the most impressive moment was the Tie attack, well the whole Death Star Battle was amazing, the briefing with the new Death Star plan's, the control room with the new "holo-display" now this guys are actually looking and pointing at something instead of an empty space!!, the Obi-Vader Duel was enhanced soo much, I still haven't figured out how you could make it look "faster, more intense" with the footage you had available, it looks like an entirely new scene.

The scene between Luke and Obiwan inside obi's hut flows sooo much better than the original, and feels like it was always meant to be that way somehow.

The color correction was spot on for the most part, however, and this might just be me but when inside the death star there are a few shots that look like this: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/lorindelong/truck.jpg, I believe you de-saturated everything except the things that have colors other than white-gray-black, I think maybe little reflections that were there bumping off walls are now gone and that is what gives it an unnatural look. Again, this might just be my perception that has been corrupted by watching the special editions for years, if it is I apologize and ignore this.

The other thing that I felt should have been addressed but was never talked about is the "looping" of the tusken raider, when originally filmed the editors only had footage of the tusken raider raising his gaffi stick after attacking Luke so they looped the footage they had back and forth to make it look like he was raising it up and down, this effect has always bugged me and has never been addressed, it would be nice to somehow ease it up to make it look natural, I know it might be too late for that however and if it is impossible to fix it for the DVD then disregard my comment entirely.

Again, Adywan I thank you for this edit, it is the best thing to come out of this community so far and we will enjoy it for years to come, personally I can’t stop watching the Death Star Battle!! Simply amazing work.

This message is directed to ADYWAN, anyone that has an urge to call me names and ask me to make my own edit will just be ignored.
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Adywan, one thing you might do if you have a few minutes (I see it as a missed opportunity for a tiny bit more flare)..

You might want to do something similar with thebackground landscape found at 11:18 later on at 13:05. Obviously it's a personal choice to leave as it is but it could add little more.
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I'm just watching the Tantive 4 sequence.
Finally it looks exactly as I remember it.
Thank you, can't wait to see the rest
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Frendon, the colour issues you mention are a major problem with the 2004 DVD's. the blue cast that was added, while it was said it was creative decision to give it the colour feel of more modern movies, was in fact a way of hiding a lot of colour problems with the transfer. Some colours in the blue & green spectrum no longer existed. Not only were the colours of some of the cockpits gone but also wedges helmet was no longer green and became black & white, noticeable even with the blue cast. i had to make a decision: do i keep the blue cast, which was something i REALLY hated or remove it and just have the cockpits during the trench run (mainly the xwings) desaturated. well i went with removing the colour casting ( i did manage to recolour wedges helmet to green though).because there was no colour information other than the blue cast in those areas i just had to put up with the colourless sections. i did try overlaying the GOUT to recover some of the missing colour but then noticed that even in that transfer the cockpits were desaturated in some shots, so it became a waste of time going ahead with this process only to have a few shots stick out like a sore thumb.
With the interior of the death star i wanted to eliminate the horrible over saturated blue in the 2004 transfer and to be more battleship grey. only the blue colouring of the walls was removed & all other colour remains. Looking at the 1997 SE it looks like the first stages of oversaturated colours and blue cast were present in that.

Now onto pondas arm. i can see a case for both sides. you could say that it should be the human arm on the floor because ponda doesn't draw his gun quick enough but i have just viewed the original footage and the behind the magic cut of the cantina and noticed something. When Ben swings the saber, he doesn't slice the human arm . He hits doctor evazan in the chest and he falls. so no arm severed. whereas in the lost cut footage ponda is standing next to him and you see him fall with the arm lying next to him. so it looks like he got caught up in swings of the saber just as he is drawing his saber. Caused a bit of a dilemma what to do with this one now.

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