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IMAGINE ALL OF THE PEOPLE (ACCORDING TO ACTUAL NUMBERS IT'S NOT THAT MANY) WHO BOUGHT INTO HD-DVD. IMAGINE HOW PISSED OFF THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN MAY OR SO WHEN STUDIOS STOP MAKING HD-DVDs. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THEY WILL GO OUT AND BUY A BLU-RAY DISC PLAYER THEN ??? THEY'LL FEEL THE BURN FOR MONTHS TO COME. THEY WILL BE THE BIGGEST HOLD OUTS WHEN IT COMES TO BUYING YET ANOTHER FORMAT'S PLAYER.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL REALLY AFFECT THE BLU-RAY CAMPS ALL THAT MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAS BEEN SITTING ON THE SIDELINES WILL START BUYING PLAYERS. I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL GET EXCITED AGAIN ABOUT BUYING MOVIES ONCE THEY EXPERIENCE THEIR NEW PLAYERS. THIS WILL CAUSE PRICES TO DROP AS DEMAND WILL INCREASE. I DON'T THINK THAT IT WILL BE UNTIL 2010 BEFORE WE START SEEING BLU-RAY TAKING OVER THE MARKET THE WAY DVD TOOK IT OVER FROM VHS.
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE STILL ASK FOR VHS AT RENTAL STORES ??? THE FORMAT HAS BEEN LONG DEAD. IT'S MAINLY PEOPLE WHO "JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO WORK IT" THAT ARE HOLDING ON TO THEIR TAPES. THEIR SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF LOGAN'S RUN MENTALITY WHEN IT COMES TO THESE PEOPLE.
THE OFTEN DELAYED HI-DEF LAW IS SET TO GO INTO PLACE IN 2009. THIS IS THE LAW THAT IS SUPPOSED TO GET RID OF ANALOGUE BROADCAST. IT WILL BE INTERESTING IF WE ACTUALLY SEE THIS LAW GO INTO AFFECT OR IF IT WILL BE DELAYED YET AGAIN. IT WILL BE INTERESTING IF THE LAW DOES GO INTO AFFECT AND PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO CONVERT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL GO AHEAD AND UPGRADE THEIR MOVIE WATCHING EXPERIENCE AT THE SAME TIME.
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BEN: Yes, I was once an HD-DVD early adopter, the same as your father.
Heh, Heh, crossed my mind and I couldn't' resist. While I hate to hear this, I too am glad there seems to be an end in sight. I sure was hoping for another tragic defeat of Sony.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
Heh, Heh, crossed my mind and I couldn't' resist. While I hate to hear this, I too am glad there seems to be an end in sight. I sure was hoping for another tragic defeat of Sony.
Heh, Heh, crossed my mind and I couldn't' resist. While I hate to hear this, I too am glad there seems to be an end in sight. I sure was hoping for another tragic defeat of Sony.
I have to give them credit in that they simply designed the better format; and, you know, the alternative is Mircrosoft winning
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Originally posted by: canofhumdingers
i thought bluray players were capabe of plying standard dvds as well...? don't they advertise them as upscaling regular dvds?
i thought bluray players were capabe of plying standard dvds as well...? don't they advertise them as upscaling regular dvds?
They can, but I think he is talking about how manufacturers can make HD-DVD's using the same machines that make DVD's, while Blu-Ray manufacturers need to get Blu-Ray pressing machines.
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
THE OFTEN DELAYED HI-DEF LAW IS SET TO GO INTO PLACE IN 2009. THIS IS THE LAW THAT IS SUPPOSED TO GET RID OF ANALOGUE BROADCAST. IT WILL BE INTERESTING IF WE ACTUALLY SEE THIS LAW GO INTO AFFECT OR IF IT WILL BE DELAYED YET AGAIN. IT WILL BE INTERESTING IF THE LAW DOES GO INTO AFFECT AND PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO CONVERT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL GO AHEAD AND UPGRADE THEIR MOVIE WATCHING EXPERIENCE AT THE SAME TIME.
THE OFTEN DELAYED HI-DEF LAW IS SET TO GO INTO PLACE IN 2009. THIS IS THE LAW THAT IS SUPPOSED TO GET RID OF ANALOGUE BROADCAST. IT WILL BE INTERESTING IF WE ACTUALLY SEE THIS LAW GO INTO AFFECT OR IF IT WILL BE DELAYED YET AGAIN. IT WILL BE INTERESTING IF THE LAW DOES GO INTO AFFECT AND PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO CONVERT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL GO AHEAD AND UPGRADE THEIR MOVIE WATCHING EXPERIENCE AT THE SAME TIME.
Well with all the commercials I've been seeing on TV about the deadline and even the local news talking about it, I'd guess that if they do delay it again, it'll only be 6 months or something like that. My grandparents are like many people out there who still have the same 32" TV in their living room they bought back in 1992. My grandfather keeps asking me why the government is forcing him to buy a new TV. He knows there's way better stuff out there these days, but he's likely to hold out just because the government is involved in the digital broadcast transition.
Despite people out there like him, I'm sure that the deadline will encourage a lot of people to buy new HDTV's and, eventually, new Blu-ray players once they get around that $100 price point.
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Originally posted by: Zion
Well whatever Dayv's exact words, I think we can all agree that the broadcast transition will introduce more households to HD in the next two years.
Well whatever Dayv's exact words, I think we can all agree that the broadcast transition will introduce more households to HD in the next two years.
Not really, people will still watch standard def, they'll only be exposed to HD if they buy an HD tv and order special channels, you can't watch HD on a normal television.
Again, this whole conversion thing is totally unrelated to HD. It just means you won't be able to use your rabbit ears antennas anymore.
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
THERE WAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY STATING THAT THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO UPGRADE THERE TVs TO HD WILL BE GIVEN A CONVERTER BOX FOR FREE. IT'S LIKE WELFARE FOR TV.
THERE WAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY STATING THAT THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO UPGRADE THERE TVs TO HD WILL BE GIVEN A CONVERTER BOX FOR FREE. IT'S LIKE WELFARE FOR TV.
That's not what it said and you know it. What it said is that you'll get a $40 voucher toward the purchase of a digital tuner. While I agree that it's lame to subsidize the conversion the way they are, please don't twist the message to suit your needs. Anyone who decides to stop watching ota broadcasts at that point just won't buy a box and won't need the voucher. It also doesn't affect anyone that's already got cable or DirectTV/Dish Network, since that's all digital now anyway, whether their TVs are or not.
I'm with zombie on this. The transition isn't going to do anything but piss a lot of people off. A lot of people will think they need to get an HD television in order to get the new signal and I'm sure many stores will not have a problem selling it like that. Only afterwards, when they talk to someone that really knows, will they get the whole story. Then they'll be pissed that they spent so much money on a TV when they really didn't need to.
Then, on the other side, you'll have people that already watch very little TV, so unless the commercials start running 24/7, they won't notice them and will get pissed when they're looking at snow on the cutoff day. I watch a lot of TV and I've only seen the ad once. If they're really trying to inform people, that ad needs to be running constantly.
The government should've kept their nose out of the transition. The marketplace will decide. The marketplace was already deciding. Let the analog broadcasts slowly fade away until there's nothing left broadcasting. But no, they had to force a transition to reclaim the spectrum.
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Originally posted by: zombie84
Not really, people will still watch standard def, they'll only be exposed to HD if they buy an HD tv and order special channels, you can't watch HD on a normal television.
Again, this whole conversion thing is totally unrelated to HD. It just means you won't be able to use your rabbit ears antennas anymore.
Originally posted by: Zion
Well whatever Dayv's exact words, I think we can all agree that the broadcast transition will introduce more households to HD in the next two years.
Well whatever Dayv's exact words, I think we can all agree that the broadcast transition will introduce more households to HD in the next two years.
Not really, people will still watch standard def, they'll only be exposed to HD if they buy an HD tv and order special channels, you can't watch HD on a normal television.
Again, this whole conversion thing is totally unrelated to HD. It just means you won't be able to use your rabbit ears antennas anymore.
If people buy an HDTV, they will be able to watch HD channels over the air almost anywhere in the US. You don't have to have cable or "order special channels".
I don't think anyone's arguing with you about what the broadcast transition is. We know it isn't about upgrading to HD. But the fact is, some people are going to buy new HDTV's because of it and that means more potential BD/HD DVD buyers.
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Originally posted by: zombie84It just means you won't be able to use your rabbit ears antennas anymore.
Whether you're watching an HD or SD digital broadcast, you're still picking that transmission up through an antenna. In other words, you still can use rabbit ears pick up any local digital signals. In fact, I found that rabbit ears work pretty well.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
That's not what it said and you know it. What it said is that you'll get a $40 voucher toward the purchase of a digital tuner. While I agree that it's lame to subsidize the conversion the way they are, please don't twist the message to suit your needs. Anyone who decides to stop watching ota broadcasts at that point just won't buy a box and won't need the voucher. It also doesn't affect anyone that's already got cable or DirectTV/Dish Network, since that's all digital now anyway, whether their TVs are or not.
I'm with zombie on this. The transition isn't going to do anything but piss a lot of people off. A lot of people will think they need to get an HD television in order to get the new signal and I'm sure many stores will not have a problem selling it like that. Only afterwards, when they talk to someone that really knows, will they get the whole story. Then they'll be pissed that they spent so much money on a TV when they really didn't need to.
Then, on the other side, you'll have people that already watch very little TV, so unless the commercials start running 24/7, they won't notice them and will get pissed when they're looking at snow on the cutoff day. I watch a lot of TV and I've only seen the ad once. If they're really trying to inform people, that ad needs to be running constantly.
The government should've kept their nose out of the transition. The marketplace will decide. The marketplace was already deciding. Let the analog broadcasts slowly fade away until there's nothing left broadcasting. But no, they had to force a transition to reclaim the spectrum.
Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
THERE WAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY STATING THAT THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO UPGRADE THERE TVs TO HD WILL BE GIVEN A CONVERTER BOX FOR FREE. IT'S LIKE WELFARE FOR TV.
THERE WAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY STATING THAT THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO UPGRADE THERE TVs TO HD WILL BE GIVEN A CONVERTER BOX FOR FREE. IT'S LIKE WELFARE FOR TV.
That's not what it said and you know it. What it said is that you'll get a $40 voucher toward the purchase of a digital tuner. While I agree that it's lame to subsidize the conversion the way they are, please don't twist the message to suit your needs. Anyone who decides to stop watching ota broadcasts at that point just won't buy a box and won't need the voucher. It also doesn't affect anyone that's already got cable or DirectTV/Dish Network, since that's all digital now anyway, whether their TVs are or not.
I'm with zombie on this. The transition isn't going to do anything but piss a lot of people off. A lot of people will think they need to get an HD television in order to get the new signal and I'm sure many stores will not have a problem selling it like that. Only afterwards, when they talk to someone that really knows, will they get the whole story. Then they'll be pissed that they spent so much money on a TV when they really didn't need to.
Then, on the other side, you'll have people that already watch very little TV, so unless the commercials start running 24/7, they won't notice them and will get pissed when they're looking at snow on the cutoff day. I watch a lot of TV and I've only seen the ad once. If they're really trying to inform people, that ad needs to be running constantly.
The government should've kept their nose out of the transition. The marketplace will decide. The marketplace was already deciding. Let the analog broadcasts slowly fade away until there's nothing left broadcasting. But no, they had to force a transition to reclaim the spectrum.
FIRST OF ALL, DON'T BE AN ASS. SECOND, MY POST WAS REFERRING TO MY POST BEFORE THAT.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
Well, I just really liked the idea of Combo discs, with HD DVD on one side and SD on the other, plus the players can play SD DVD's. I also liked that HD DVD can be pressed from current DVD machines, making them cheaper in the long run. Plus, HD DVD seems to be a pretty much finished format, while I hear that BR still doesn't do half of what HD DVD can do, at least until the BD 2.0 hits. I just see things getting very expensive once Sony gets its claws sunk in.
Well, I just really liked the idea of Combo discs, with HD DVD on one side and SD on the other, plus the players can play SD DVD's. I also liked that HD DVD can be pressed from current DVD machines, making them cheaper in the long run. Plus, HD DVD seems to be a pretty much finished format, while I hear that BR still doesn't do half of what HD DVD can do, at least until the BD 2.0 hits. I just see things getting very expensive once Sony gets its claws sunk in.
Those are the reasons, and more, why I got HD-DVD. It can do SO MUCH MORE. Less space, yes, but most blu-ray discs use only 30 gigs anyway, so who cares? They offer same picture, but HD has more features. Plus, the combo disc idea is genius. For instance, when my brother is playing the Xbox (which is where I have the HD-DVD plugged into) I can take my season one of Star Trek and go watch it on a different TV on the SD side. Can Blu-Ray offer that? No.
I'm obviously bummed today, after the announcement that Warner is going Blu-Ray exclusive. This sucks. Blu-Ray has exclusive acess to most studio content. Only universal and Paramount are still backing HD. Good thing most of my favorite films this year were from that studio...Warner Bros will still release new Hd-Dvd's till May, but after that it's over. I am bummed. I think there should be some sort of trade in or discount on Blu-Ray players once this format war is over. That Hd-Dvd drive wasn't cheap. Oh well.
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In the end it would be better if Blu-ray wins because of the much higher audio and video bitrate specs, and in a few years it will be needed. I don't give a shit about menus or interactive crap. I just want the movie in the highest possible quality. BTW, what is this "so much more" HD-DVD is capable of?
As far as studios exclusive for one format, I don't care, I'm still guessing when I'm ready to buy HD stuff there will be a good affordable player that plays all formats.
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Those are the reasons, and more, why I got HD-DVD. It can do SO MUCH MORE. Less space, yes, but most blu-ray discs use only 30 gigs anyway, so who cares? They offer same picture, but HD has more features.
Originally posted by: ferris209
Well, I just really liked the idea of Combo discs, with HD DVD on one side and SD on the other, plus the players can play SD DVD's. I also liked that HD DVD can be pressed from current DVD machines, making them cheaper in the long run. Plus, HD DVD seems to be a pretty much finished format, while I hear that BR still doesn't do half of what HD DVD can do, at least until the BD 2.0 hits. I just see things getting very expensive once Sony gets its claws sunk in.
Well, I just really liked the idea of Combo discs, with HD DVD on one side and SD on the other, plus the players can play SD DVD's. I also liked that HD DVD can be pressed from current DVD machines, making them cheaper in the long run. Plus, HD DVD seems to be a pretty much finished format, while I hear that BR still doesn't do half of what HD DVD can do, at least until the BD 2.0 hits. I just see things getting very expensive once Sony gets its claws sunk in.
Those are the reasons, and more, why I got HD-DVD. It can do SO MUCH MORE. Less space, yes, but most blu-ray discs use only 30 gigs anyway, so who cares? They offer same picture, but HD has more features.
The reason they use only 30 GB sometimes is because companies are too cheap to do an encode just for Blu Ray so the HD-DVD encode is used, so HD-DVD is really lowering the standards for some Blu-Ray titles. Blu-Ray has a much higher bitrate and almost twice the space, and it has special java abilities that HD-DVD doesn't--its superior in almost every way. If you are going to make a choice based on specs then theres no way you would choose HD-DVD. People ought to be going with HD-DVD for the title selection (in other words, studio support) which is now weakened since Blu-Ray has over 70% exclusive support.
And combo-disks are the stupidest things of all time. If you have HD-DVD why would you want the DVD version? Meanwhile those who don't have or even want HD-DVD have to pay an incredibly jacked up price. Its just dumb. My fear is that once HD-DVD dies companies like Paramount might start doing Blu-Ray combo disks if they ever find a way, but hopefully the poor sales and the high cost will scare them from trying.