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Originally posted by: sean wookie
How about a realistic solution?


Yeah. Shoot 'em.

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Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
Originally posted by: sean wookie
How about a realistic solution?


Yeah. Shoot 'em.


I hope your kidding.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
I hope your kidding.


Don't worry. I am. I don't usually make jokes like that, but you left that question so wide open I couldn't resist.
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but Thompson has had a poor showing since he announced his candidacy and Romney strikes me as dishonest....

Thompson only gets a "poor showing" because the biased media doesn't want him exposed to voters. He is more in line what conservatives want, so they push non-conservatives like Huckabee and Paul at us.

Otherwise, I have a general rule of thumb in regards to candidates, especially conservative candidates, if the mainstream media tells me who they think the best Republic candidate is, then I should not vote for that person. So far they've pushed for Guiliani, and when people weren't biting, they pushed for Ron Paul, and now they're pushing for Huckabee.

Romney's religion doesn't bother me, but he does appear slick as oil and his flip-flopping to pander to the conservative base does not set well with me.

Personally, I would like to see Duncan Hunter get more attention. He's a true conservative, true pro-American. Everything I read about him I like. He even has a vested interest in the Iraq War, his son.

Better to have a lunatic that doesn't want to kill anyone for oil, take away your rights, torture prisoners (we imprisoned Japanese for water boarding in WW2), give people the right to marry, not reduce carbon emissions, Oh yeah and lie about reports on Iran. Bush is a murderer. Rudy won't be any better. Lunatics that want peace are better than Nazis that want war. And about Cheney I think Keith Olberman says it best "An unapologetic warmonger who has long been seeing a world visible only to himself". I can't see any mentally-stable person with a positive image of bush. I just want to see the way he tries to "Wags the dog" out of this one.


Groovy, just copy and paste that from the Democratic Underground?
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Better to have a lunatic that doesn't want to kill anyone for oil, take away your rights, torture prisoners (we imprisoned Japanese for water boarding in WW2), give people the right to marry, not reduce carbon emissions, Oh yeah and lie about reports on Iran. Bush is a murderer. Rudy won't be any better. Lunatics that want peace are better than Nazis that want war. And about Cheney I think Keith Olberman says it best "An unapologetic warmonger who has long been seeing a world visible only to himself". I can't see any mentally-stable person with a positive image of bush. I just want to see the way he tries to "Wags the dog" out of this one.

Groovy, just copy and paste that from the Democratic Underground?


No, Wikipedia. Seriously, I wrote that myself.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Better to have a lunatic that doesn't want to kill anyone for oil, take away your rights, torture prisoners (we imprisoned Japanese for water boarding in WW2), give people the right to marry, not reduce carbon emissions, Oh yeah and lie about reports on Iran. Bush is a murderer. Rudy won't be any better. Lunatics that want peace are better than Nazis that want war. And about Cheney I think Keith Olberman says it best "An unapologetic warmonger who has long been seeing a world visible only to himself". I can't see any mentally-stable person with a positive image of bush. I just want to see the way he tries to "Wags the dog" out of this one.

Groovy, just copy and paste that from the Democratic Underground?


No, Wikipedia. Seriously, I wrote that myself.


It doesn't matter if you wrote it youself, you are still copying and pasting thoughts and ideas, even if you are not copying and pasting the words themselves. But don't worry, that is exactly what you are suppose to do, you are fullfilling your function. Free thought it is a thing of the past, there will always be people who posses it, but they won't often get away with it. Ignorance is freedom.

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You know what I find amusing is that all of these zombie movies are about the conservative right and how they're blindly following their mantra, and how the heroes in the story are the "independents" the "free thinkers" when it's quite the opposite. When I see pictures of libs marching in protest, they look like the zombies. Dull expressions, lifeless, moaning and repeating the same things over ("Bush lied, People died...*braaaains...I need braaains...*"), and they LOOK like the undead.

You may have written that yourself, sean, but like C3PX said, it is repeated ad nauseum throughout liberal forums. You think you're original in your thought, but you're like everyone else.

And, back to the choice of candidacy, are others familiar with Duncan Hunter?
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Oh, come on - Bush-supporting conservatives are far more guilty of jingoism than liberals. "Bush lied, people died" might be a slogan, but it has a lot more back-story and support for it than when the Bush administration says that Bin Laden "hates freedom." Bin Laden doesn't hate freedom; he hates that America has arguably persecuted his people. There is a big difference between often-repeated statements that are encapsulating an idea versus oversimplifying/distorting an idea.
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Yes, America has arguably persecuted Bin Laden's people. That is, without a doubt, a well reasoned and cogent position.

Ehem.


Anyways, I think I'm fully supporting Thompson now. The more I learn about him and see him, the more I like him. He's smart and a well balanced man. Can you imagine the hysterical Mrs. Clinton in a debate with Thompson? Hehe, she'd look like such a nut. I don't care if Thompson hasn't raised gobs of money by this point, quite frankly. he doesn't need it. The American people would quickly run to him after hearing Hilary open her mouth. lol

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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
Oh, come on - Bush-supporting conservatives are far more guilty of jingoism than liberals. "Bush lied, people died" might be a slogan, but it has a lot more back-story and support for it than when the Bush administration says that Bin Laden "hates freedom." Bin Laden doesn't hate freedom; he hates that America has arguably persecuted his people. There is a big difference between often-repeated statements that are encapsulating an idea versus oversimplifying/distorting an idea.


For the record, I was accusing all idiots who don't bother to think for themselves, this includes the mindless Fox News group as much as it includes the mindless CNN, MSNBC, liberal bloggers, etc. group. The whole thing about Bin Laden's people being persecuted is of course the reason why he attacked America repeatedly, right? I guess we should have seen 9/11 as a reason to wake up and stop the persecution rather than a reason to retaliate. If this is the result of free thought, maybe it isn't such a good idea after all. At any rate saying things like "Bush-supporting conservatives are far more guilty of jingoism than liberals" is a kind of silly way of saying liberals are the ultimate free thinkers (and in general, I think they think they are, but so do the brain hunters on the conservative side). Global warming is excellent evidence to the liberal zombification. Can you honestly really feel one side is less guilty than the other? Both sides are just taking what they are given, it is all a bunch of regurgitation. Who really spends the time to try to see things for what they are, or to at least try to measure what they are given to see how well it really weights out? The answer is very few. But again, that is how it is suppose to work. If too many people question things it doesn't please the pigs (see Sean's sig for details).

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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Why all the retaliation against Ron Paul?


Ron Paul has a few good ideas, but he also wants to run away from Iraq, which I consider at least as important as economic issues.

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AndyK: Oh, come on - Bush-supporting conservatives are far more guilty of jingoism than liberals. "Bush lied, people died" might be a slogan, but it has a lot more back-story and support for it than when the Bush administration says that Bin Laden "hates freedom." Bin Laden doesn't hate freedom; he hates that America has arguably persecuted his people. There is a big difference between often-repeated statements that are encapsulating an idea versus oversimplifying/distorting an idea.

Hahaha! and I, of course I disagree profusely....Bin Laden DOES hate freedom... you need to check out his religion at some point...it is the definition and embodiment of slavery and oppression. I think the "back-story" there is far more supportable than general rabid anti-Bush derangement (which is oversimplified/unquantified/distorted behavior).

Ron Paul


I don't like him either that he wants to withdrawal before the job is done. I don't mind that he wants a small government, many other Republicans want one as well, so he's not the only one on that. I don't support his position on illegal immigration. Sure, Ron is for less spending, but then the military will take a beating like it did during the Clinton years. We'll be right back to another 9/11 in a term or two.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: sean wookie
Why all the retaliation against Ron Paul?


Ron Paul has a few good ideas, but he also wants to run away from Iraq, which I consider at least as important as economic issues.


Yeah, that has always been something that turned me away from him. Even the Democrates admit we cannot just run away at this point. That is something that struck me as merely a people pleaser aspect of Ron Paul. Has he ever addressed how that would work? It has always sounded to me that he had in mind just to pulling them out at the first possible chance.

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Originally posted by: Dug
Bin Laden DOES hate freedom... you need to check out his religion at some point...


Uh... dug, haven't you heard? Islam is a religion of peace! Of course he doesn't hate freedom, he loves it. But not for women, Jews, Christians or anyone fitting under the name of infidel. Too bad we have been persecuting the poor bastard, sounds like all of this could have been easily prevented.

Some people have a hard time grasping certian aspects of the Islamic religion. English translations of the Koran are readily available for free online and through the mail. In this day in age there is really no excuse for anyone halfway interested in being informed on the matter not to own one. It is a lot shorter than the Bible, if you read just a few sections of it a day you can finish it in a couple of months. Then you can decide if you believe Islam is a religion of peace or not.


EDIT: Sorry for the double post, meant to edit my previous post and paste this at the bottom but I forgot.

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Uh... dug, haven't you heard? Islam is a religion of peace!


Oh, that's right, I totally forgot! And I like some of their 'peaceful' demonstrations, too. Stoning a young woman for just going out on a date with a guy of a SLIGHTLY different variation in the islam religion, threatening to kill a school teacher who just asked the KIDS what name they wanted to give their teddy bear, raping a woman who was with another man who wasn't her husband--and even anally raping the guy who was with her---and then have her whipped for daring to entice any of these men into these actions. Declaring global war against anyone who is even slightly different in the views of your own religion. Yep... a religion of peace. I forgot.

Back on topic again...I'm supporting Thompson right now, though. He's a good guy. If I can't raise interest in Duncan Hunter at my caucus, I'll definitely vote for Thompson.
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Originally posted by: Dug
Stoning a young woman for just going out on a date with a guy of a SLIGHTLY different variation in the islam religion, threatening to kill a school teacher who just asked the KIDS what name they wanted to give their teddy bear, raping a woman who was with another man who wasn't her husband--and even anally raping the guy who was with her---and then have her whipped for daring to entice any of these men into these actions. Declaring global war against anyone who is even slightly different in the views of your own religion.


Jeez dug, what is with all the conservative droning zombie talk? They must really have you under their spell man, you know none of those things really happen, it is all made up so the right can steal the worlds oil supply. Islam is a religion of peace, and global warming is a real threat. If you don't believe that then you are just heartless and uncaring and not fit to be called human.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: Dug
Stoning a young woman for just going out on a date with a guy of a SLIGHTLY different variation in the islam religion, threatening to kill a school teacher who just asked the KIDS what name they wanted to give their teddy bear, raping a woman who was with another man who wasn't her husband--and even anally raping the guy who was with her---and then have her whipped for daring to entice any of these men into these actions. Declaring global war against anyone who is even slightly different in the views of your own religion.


Jeez dug, what is with all the conservative droning zombie talk? They must really have you under their spell man, you know none of those things really happen, it is all made up so the right can steal the worlds oil supply. Islam is a religion of peace, and global warming is a real threat. If you don't believe that then you are just heartless and uncaring and not fit to be called human.


It's hard to ignore the facts about Islam. But then again which of the 3 can be called a peaceful? Christianity was spread by means of warfare. And the old testament probably isn't anything peaceful either.
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Christianity was spread by warfare, Sean?

The times in history that Christendom went to war for Christianity were the worst in terms of spreading Christianity's influence. It's largest spreading has been, time after time, accomplished through the opposite of warfare, if anything.


Originally posted by: C3PX
Yeah, that has always been something that turned me away from him. Even the Democrates admit we cannot just run away at this point. That is something that struck me as merely a people pleaser aspect of Ron Paul. Has he ever addressed how that would work? It has always sounded to me that he had in mind just to pulling them out at the first possible chance.


He has said he would pull the troops out of Iraq immediately. That's why I would never vote for him.

However, don't call him a people pleaser. The guy is a very principled, old-fashioned conservative. He doesn't believe the world is our kid to babysit and I even agree with him on this. Unfortunately I think he misapplies the principle. For instance, while I firmly believe that we shouldn't be involved in places like the Middle East to the degree that we are, I still realize that we have important interests in that part of the world. If we weren't there, worse people would be, most likely.

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Christianity was spread by warfare, Sean?

The times in history that Christendom went to war for Christianity were the worst in terms of spreading Christianity's influence. It's largest spreading has been, time after time, accomplished through the opposite of warfare, if anything.


Central/South America?

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Originally posted by: andy_k_250
Central/South America?


That was more about Spain and Portugal's colonialism than anything. Roman Catholic conversions were not the primary goal for the warfare and mostly happened on top of that. At worst the colonial powers saw themselves as having the superior religion and deserving to rule on that basis. It's not as if the religious freedoms of the native populations were persecuted in extremely severe ways (in a large-scale, general sense). Also, it wasn't difficult evangelizing to the Central/South Americans since the loyalty they had to their previous religions wasn't exactly what we could call strong.

That said, the horrors committed against those populations were awful. Central and South America are still heavily fucked up because of what Spain and Portugal did. However, you can't directly blame Roman Catholicism for that (and certainly not the rest of Christendom). (England and the U.S. of A. that followed certainly weren't good to the North Americans, but those regrettable events generally weren't as bad.)

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Christianity was spread by warfare, Sean?

The times in history that Christendom went to war for Christianity were the worst in terms of spreading Christianity's influence. It's largest spreading has been, time after time, accomplished through the opposite of warfare, if anything.


According to my history teacher. And it looks like Jay is voting for John McCain.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: Tiptup
Christianity was spread by warfare, Sean?

The times in history that Christendom went to war for Christianity were the worst in terms of spreading Christianity's influence. It's largest spreading has been, time after time, accomplished through the opposite of warfare, if anything.


According to my history teacher.


Even if your history teacher wasn't distorting facts, Christianity wouldn't be a religion of violence. Nowhere in the New Testament are followers instructed to spread the faith through violence; the people who tried to do so were jerks who weren't paying enough attention to Scriptures.

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