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oh seans backing his stuff up now man so much as changed since i was gone.

yes sorry i was thinking of different moons. as for what i was saying about the harsh climates. yes there are things that could survive out there but fully evolved super survival bugs just don't pop up out of no where if any of our theories on how life came to be are even remotely accurate, well i find it very hard to believe something could evolve on a place such as Europa unless it was planted in which cause where did that life come from, the most likely explanation is earth making them not alien life.

as for the challenge i was giving, here ill put it simple with the number of stars that are out there or even in our galaxy why isn't the night sky way brighter then it was, cause realistically at and point you look up at in the sky there are probably 5 or 6 stars in your line of sight. and if space is empty there should be nothing to prevent the light of those stars from reaching us. So why is the night sky doted with stars NOT jam packed with them?

sean read up on gamma bursts you'll find them interesting, there a phenomenon which may lead to conclusion of life being EXTREMELY rare in the universe.

oh and 10^22 = 1000000000000000000000000
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Originally posted by: shimy
oh and 10^22 = 1000000000000000000000000

Yes, I know that! Duh. (I think you added a zero too many btw.) By "10^22 what?" I mean are you talking pounds, miles, kilometers, lightyears?
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Originally posted by: shimy
oh seans backing his stuff up now man so much as changed since i was gone.

yes sorry i was thinking of different moons. as for what i was saying about the harsh climates. yes there are things that could survive out there but fully evolved super survival bugs just don't pop up out of no where if any of our theories on how life came to be are even remotely accurate, well i find it very hard to believe something could evolve on a place such as Europa unless it was planted in which cause where did that life come from, the most likely explanation is earth making them not alien life.

as for the challenge i was giving, here ill put it simple with the number of stars that are out there or even in our galaxy why isn't the night sky way brighter then it was, cause realistically at and point you look up at in the sky there are probably 5 or 6 stars in your line of sight. and if space is empty there should be nothing to prevent the light of those stars from reaching us. So why is the night sky doted with stars NOT jam packed with them?

sean read up on gamma bursts you'll find them interesting, there a phenomenon which may lead to conclusion of life being EXTREMELY rare in the universe.

oh and 10^22 = 1000000000000000000000000


I know about gamma rays I think they are quite cool but the majority happen from Super Novas that form black holes. Super Novas happen only about once every 50 years in our Galaxy and many of them form into Neutron stars. There are 200 to 400 billion stars in our galaxy I wouldn't be surprised if most of those stars have planets (I'm not going to guess about how many of them have life). The article at the bottom says that the Galaxy is about 13.6 billion years old give or take 800 million (which is funny because the universe is only 13.7 billion)

My estimate is about 274 Million Super Novas AT MOST have happened in our Galaxies lifetime, but just how many of these have formed black holes needed for the Gamma ray burst? How many have hit Solar Systems? How many of the Solar Systems that were hit have had life? I didn't even take into account the the stars lifetimes when the galaxy had just formed.

So did I do a good job?

Sources:http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/earth_age_040817.html
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yes you are doing a good jsut, but i am not talkign about gamma rays with regards to normal back ground radiation, i am talking abut gamma bursts google it, i say a documentary a few years ago about them and it talk about how one of these things could likely release enough gamma radiation to destroy all life within a HUGE area of space. i don't want to toss an estimate out there cause it would be a complete un educated guess. however, the range would be big enough that if there were enough of them they could create vast lifeless areas in our galaxy.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: shimy
oh and 10^22 = 1000000000000000000000000

Yes, I know that! Duh. (I think you added a zero too many btw.) By "10^22 what?" I mean are you talking pounds, miles, kilometers, lightyears?


stars, i thought that was self explanatory since i was referring to them in my question. and it was the whole point of the paradox. sorry.
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Ah, OK. But are you suggesting the night sky should be completely bright? I guess since the unviverse is expanding a lot of light isn't reaching us. Maybe a lot of those stars are so far away their light hasn't reached us yet. Maybe the human eye is much to limited to see stars. Maybe a lot of light is being blocked.
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well our galaxy isnt so big that the light of its stars hasnt reached us. but yes it is possible that the light from some star that are over a trillion light years away has not reached us. but if the theory of the big bang is true then at some timethey would have been very close to us and so there light woulda reached us then and since they are nto moving away from us at a speed greater then c there light should always be able to reach us.

the human eye is extremely sensitive but your right we may not be able to see a single photon in a sea of black. however if even if 1 photon from each star reached us then the combination of all those photons would result in something we could see. the difference here is we probably wouldnt be able to tell that the light was coming from more then one object.

and I thought space was empty what could be blocking so much of that light.

those were 3 pretty good answers and your on the right track. but not quite there.
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Well I know Lucas is alien for sure.

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Yes I do. But do people believe in Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti and such?

Reviving old thread. I've always loved the premise of Men in Black.

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shimy said:

as for the challenge i was giving, here ill put it simple with the number of stars that are out there or even in our galaxy why isn't the night sky way brighter then it was, cause realistically at and point you look up at in the sky there are probably 5 or 6 stars in your line of sight. and if space is empty there should be nothing to prevent the light of those stars from reaching us. So why is the night sky doted with stars NOT jam packed with them?

I know this is an old post, but do you live in a desert or in a city?  Typically, if you live in a city, you can only see the brightest stars (ones closest to us) due to the city lights.  Even if you shade your eyes, you can still only see a few stars.  Take a trip out to the desert where it's pitch black and you can suddenly see all kinds of stars.  Hell, you don't even have to go out to the desert, just go anywhere far enough from the city lights and you'll see them.

My point is that the night sky is jam packed with stars, you just can't normally see them unless you live in some remote area because the sky is lit up from the city lights.  You also have the atmosphere to deal with, but your average astronomer can't really get past that.  This is why telescopes are placed out in the desert and why NASA has been putting telescopes into space since the 90s.

 

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lordjedi said:
shimy said:

as for the challenge i was giving, here ill put it simple with the number of stars that are out there or even in our galaxy why isn't the night sky way brighter then it was, cause realistically at and point you look up at in the sky there are probably 5 or 6 stars in your line of sight. and if space is empty there should be nothing to prevent the light of those stars from reaching us. So why is the night sky doted with stars NOT jam packed with them?

I know this is an old post, but do you live in a desert or in a city?  Typically, if you live in a city, you can only see the brightest stars (ones closest to us) due to the city lights.  Even if you shade your eyes, you can still only see a few stars.  Take a trip out to the desert where it's pitch black and you can suddenly see all kinds of stars.  Hell, you don't even have to go out to the desert, just go anywhere far enough from the city lights and you'll see them.

My point is that the night sky is jam packed with stars, you just can't normally see them unless you live in some remote area because the sky is lit up from the city lights.  You also have the atmosphere to deal with, but your average astronomer can't really get past that.  This is why telescopes are placed out in the desert and why NASA has been putting telescopes into space since the 90s.

 

Also, Shimy's post assumes that space is empty. I'm not even sure that there is such a thing as completely empty space. There is always some form of matter or energy or some type of particle present in space.  As for why the sky is dotted with stars and not jam-packed with them, this isn't an old question, and the answer is that it is jam-packed with stars, but since a) the universe is expanding, and b) light moves at a finite speed, this causes a few things to happen. First of all, the light has not reached us yet, and if it has, then it is millions, if not billions, of years old. Secondly,  a good portion of the light will have been shifted out of the visible spectrum.

 

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Wow, Shim must live in a pretty big city, only four or five stars in his line of sight at a time!!! I live in the city and I can see way more than that at night. Just go camping, if your camp site is even a few miles out of the city, you should be able to get thousands of stars in your line of sight at a time.

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Shim, I feel your pain.  I see only 10-15 stars in immediate eyesight, down in Los Angeles; hell, last night I didn't see any - the sky was brownish-blue, almost as if it were still day out.

 

Anyway, I believe in aliens.  It's the human ego rearing its ugly head in thinkign that we're the only "intelligent" life out there.

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bkev said:

Anyway, I believe in aliens.  It's the human ego rearing its ugly head in thinkign that we're the only "intelligent" life out there.

 

I think that is a silly statement. I do no believe in aliens, but yet it would be absolutely no bruise on my ego if there were aliens out there. If fact, far from harming my ego, I think it would be really cool if there were aliens out there. Yet, I still don't believe in them. So, no ugly heads being reared here.

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I mean a collective ego, of sorts.  Let me try and relate this to something from history, even though it'll be a stretch.  The colonists way back when, who considered themselves so superior to the indigenous people of South America and Africa - what I meant to say is that the belief no long applies to certain races, but to other species.

I tend to run my mouth, so sorry if this makes no sense.  But I hope it does.

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I don't believe in aliens anymore than i believe in ghosts.

 

 If ghosts and aliens cannot be proven by science then i will not believe unless i see them with my own eyes.   

 Most people who claims they see aliens or ghosts are druggies or mentally ill.

I also believe looking for aliens is for x-files weirdos who want to believe like mulder and a waste of taxdollars.

If they were going to invade and take over our world or destroy us they would have already.

It is more scientifically probable that an asteroid will hit the Earth than Aliens being in our galaxy.

Space is for science discovery and for man to explore his origins and nothing more.

Looking for little green men is absurd.  The only alien you will ever see is on your tv and his name is Spock,lol.

Aliens are no more real than any other mythology of current world times or of the past.  That is what it is mythology, folklore and folktales.  Sixties mythology.

Roswell to me has always been a government facility for developing weapons or something along those lines.

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