Originally posted by: C3PX
vote_for_palpatine, do you really like getting into these kinds of pointless debates? Because I don't. It is a waste of time and I don't have that much time to waste. They especially get pointless when they become biting and everyone starts talking down to each other. Since you already bothered to put me down in a few areas and make me sound stupid, I'll give a few quick defenses and clairifications,
Yeah, I'm going to end this exchange in this post. Bear in mind that I was not the one who began the putdown fest, so don't go playing the poor tortured victim here. I don't get preemptively snarky with anyone, and in fact my first post on this topic had nothing to do with you. To be fair, maybe that's what you thought because my first post came right after a post of yours.
See, that didn't hurt, did it?
"This answers an argument I didn't make."
I didn't intend to answer an arguement made by you with that last section of my last post. It was in response to your feeling that AOTC gets too much undeserved flak. I was just offering that I didn't feel they got undeserved flak, but rather quite the opposite.
vote_for_palpatine, do you really like getting into these kinds of pointless debates? Because I don't. It is a waste of time and I don't have that much time to waste. They especially get pointless when they become biting and everyone starts talking down to each other. Since you already bothered to put me down in a few areas and make me sound stupid, I'll give a few quick defenses and clairifications,
Yeah, I'm going to end this exchange in this post. Bear in mind that I was not the one who began the putdown fest, so don't go playing the poor tortured victim here. I don't get preemptively snarky with anyone, and in fact my first post on this topic had nothing to do with you. To be fair, maybe that's what you thought because my first post came right after a post of yours.
Reading is fundamental, my son. You said all he did was whine and rebel" I never used the word "all", what I said was, "Instead of the hero Anakin Skywalker was suppose to be, we only see him as a..."
Maybe "only" was true strong of a word, but I still stand by what I said. We should have seen him as a hero, not a rebellious teen. Also what's with the "my son" what makes you so convinced you are so much older than me?
As I mentioned before, I only get snarky when attacked, hence the talking down. (I can't believe I'm actually explaining this!)
You wrote plenty, most of which had nothing to do with AOTC.
"This is your second jab at my circular reasoning post. I'm wondering if you even know what that means."
Yes, I made it this far in life without knowing what circular reasoning was, you caught me. You are by far my intellectual superior.
Maybe "only" was true strong of a word, but I still stand by what I said. We should have seen him as a hero, not a rebellious teen. Also what's with the "my son" what makes you so convinced you are so much older than me?
As I mentioned before, I only get snarky when attacked, hence the talking down. (I can't believe I'm actually explaining this!)
"That's not what I'm saying at all. I don't know where you're getting this from. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me it seems that you think that Anakin is a flat character in AOTC. He's not."
Okay, I didn't realize your attack was against my use of the world "only" I thought you were saying it was not true that he was a rebellious teen, with the fact that he saved Obi-Wan as proof that he wasn't.
I wasn't attacking - I can't be expected to accurately read into things all the time, so when you used the word "only" I assumed that's what you meant.
There's nothing vague about a general standard? What is the standard?? You see, I can compare things by specific standards - scores on standardized tests, batting averages of baseball players, sales figures of new release DVDs, and so on. However, I didn't have anything specific from you in regard to which standard to judge the saber battle with - did you mean an artistic standard? Were you referring to the tension the scene created, was that the standard? Was the battle technically accurate, was that the standard? I had no idea what you meant before, so I assumed it was the artistry of the scene, which was in my opinion was practically all the merit that scene had going for it. However, you clarified yourself in the response, which was to say that it was the tension of the scene. OK, fine. Be clear from the beginning, and we don't waste all of this precious time.
"It deserves that flak because it is a bad, bad, terrible movie" = plenty of answers? Forgive me if I'm still not convinced."
I never said that that one sentence was the plenty of good answers. I wrote more than just that.
Okay, I didn't realize your attack was against my use of the world "only" I thought you were saying it was not true that he was a rebellious teen, with the fact that he saved Obi-Wan as proof that he wasn't.
I wasn't attacking - I can't be expected to accurately read into things all the time, so when you used the word "only" I assumed that's what you meant.
"Those were sentence fragments used deliberately to make a point. I know how to write, thanks. And BTW, you meant to say " your English", not " you English"."
Hmm, don't see how talking like Yoda makes any points, but alright. Yeah, I have a tendacy to leave the "r"s off of my "your"s when I am typing in a hurry and not proof reading. Very clever on turning that around to prove I can't write and you can. I can see you are very experienced in arguing over the internet.
Oh come on! You've never heard the expression "One _________ does not a _________ make?" I didn't pull that out of thin air. Chances are rather good that most posters here have heard that phrase at one time or another.
So your claim is that you're not sure how it's vague? All right - allow me to elaborate:
I said, "it by far has the greatest OTish moments of the whole PT in it. That saber battle at the end set the standard for saber battles so high, and unfortunately neither of the other two even tried."
Hmm, don't see how talking like Yoda makes any points, but alright. Yeah, I have a tendacy to leave the "r"s off of my "your"s when I am typing in a hurry and not proof reading. Very clever on turning that around to prove I can't write and you can. I can see you are very experienced in arguing over the internet.
Oh come on! You've never heard the expression "One _________ does not a _________ make?" I didn't pull that out of thin air. Chances are rather good that most posters here have heard that phrase at one time or another.
"That's good and fair. However, if AOTC and especially ROTS had been better movies, I don't think people would object to the CG as much."
Of course! No doubt about it. It could have been a full out CG film without a spec of live footage to be found anywhere, and I would have had nothing but praise for it had it been a good movie.
No, I'm sure you're right - the artistry of the OT saber battles is right up on par with the TPM saber battle. Oh, wait...
I said, "it by far has the greatest OTish moments of the whole PT in it. That saber battle at the end set the standard for saber battles so high, and unfortunately neither of the other two even tried." Not sure how that is vague, I simply meant that it set the standard for saber battles pretty high and the other two didn't even come close. I consider it an OTish moment because it was a moment in the film where I felt like I was watching a new Star Wars movie.
Of course! No doubt about it. It could have been a full out CG film without a spec of live footage to be found anywhere, and I would have had nothing but praise for it had it been a good movie.
"Zing!"
Yeah, I figured you would answer with something like that.
Ba-zing!
I'll explain below why it's actually far from odd to make that assumption.
You told me it was incorrect to compare it to the OT battles because of they were not as artistic. Not even sure how something like that has the ability to be incorrect.
Yeah, I figured you would answer with something like that.
Ba-zing!
"Your previous post was vaguely worded to the point where I had to guess at your meaning. You explained yourself much better this time."
I never even mentioned the artistry of it, odd you would assume that.
I never even mentioned the artistry of it, odd you would assume that.
I'll explain below why it's actually far from odd to make that assumption.
You told me it was incorrect to compare it to the OT battles because of they were not as artistic. Not even sure how something like that has the ability to be incorrect.
No, I'm sure you're right - the artistry of the OT saber battles is right up on par with the TPM saber battle. Oh, wait...
I said, "it by far has the greatest OTish moments of the whole PT in it. That saber battle at the end set the standard for saber battles so high, and unfortunately neither of the other two even tried." Not sure how that is vague, I simply meant that it set the standard for saber battles pretty high and the other two didn't even come close. I consider it an OTish moment because it was a moment in the film where I felt like I was watching a new Star Wars movie.
So your claim is that you're not sure how it's vague? All right - allow me to elaborate:
I said, "it by far has the greatest OTish moments of the whole PT in it. That saber battle at the end set the standard for saber battles so high, and unfortunately neither of the other two even tried."
There's nothing vague about a general standard? What is the standard?? You see, I can compare things by specific standards - scores on standardized tests, batting averages of baseball players, sales figures of new release DVDs, and so on. However, I didn't have anything specific from you in regard to which standard to judge the saber battle with - did you mean an artistic standard? Were you referring to the tension the scene created, was that the standard? Was the battle technically accurate, was that the standard? I had no idea what you meant before, so I assumed it was the artistry of the scene, which was in my opinion was practically all the merit that scene had going for it. However, you clarified yourself in the response, which was to say that it was the tension of the scene. OK, fine. Be clear from the beginning, and we don't waste all of this precious time.
"It deserves that flak because it is a bad, bad, terrible movie" = plenty of answers? Forgive me if I'm still not convinced."
I never said that that one sentence was the plenty of good answers. I wrote more than just that.
You wrote plenty, most of which had nothing to do with AOTC.
"This is your second jab at my circular reasoning post. I'm wondering if you even know what that means."
Yes, I made it this far in life without knowing what circular reasoning was, you caught me. You are by far my intellectual superior.
See, that didn't hurt, did it?
"This answers an argument I didn't make."
I didn't intend to answer an arguement made by you with that last section of my last post. It was in response to your feeling that AOTC gets too much undeserved flak. I was just offering that I didn't feel they got undeserved flak, but rather quite the opposite.
"I didn't intend to answer you, it was in response to you". Huh?
If you learn nothing else from this exchange, learn that words mean things. That, and also if you're going to start cracking on people, don't get all drama queeny when they crack back. Keep it civil, and so will I.
See you round the cosmos. (sentence fragment)