But what does any of that matter? Who cares if Anakin struggled with his mentor, was that really ever suppose to be the point?
Look - my argument isn't based upon how I would have written the prequels. As Episode II was written, Anakin clashing with Obi-Wan was a relevant plot point and I think Episode II fulfilled its basic objectives adequately.
Well, to pose a question you posed earlier, So what? Sets and puppets do not a movie make - just as CGI does not a movie make.
Phantom had some very childish elements, but if you go beyond that then it by far has the greatest OTish moments of the whole PT in it. That saber battle at the end set the standard for saber battles so high, and unfortunately neither of the other two even tried.
Look - my argument isn't based upon how I would have written the prequels. As Episode II was written, Anakin clashing with Obi-Wan was a relevant plot point and I think Episode II fulfilled its basic objectives adequately.
Instead of the hero Anakin Skywalker was suppose to be, we only see him as a rebellious teenager.
Not true. The opening dialogue between he and Obi-Wan establishes that Anakin has saved Obi-Wan at least once before. Later, Anakin foils the second assassination attempt, rescues Obi-Wan in the skies or Coruscant, then dives out of his speeder onto the assassin's.
When I said failure, I didn't mean commercially. I don't even care about that sort of thing. Lots of shitty movies, many worse than TPM, have made big money.
TPM is the only one of the trilogy that strikes me as real. It is the only one with an organic feel to it. It still used pupets and it still used locations. All the others just feel like extended toy commercials.
Not true. The opening dialogue between he and Obi-Wan establishes that Anakin has saved Obi-Wan at least once before. Later, Anakin foils the second assassination attempt, rescues Obi-Wan in the skies or Coruscant, then dives out of his speeder onto the assassin's.
I don't see any of those things you listed as a defense for AOTC against all the flak it gets. It deserves that flak because it is a bad, bad, terrible movie.
This sounds suspiciously like circular reasoning.
I wouldn't call TPM a failure in most respects though. None of the PT were failures, they all did great in Box Office and DVD sales, thanks to their name.
This sounds suspiciously like circular reasoning.
I wouldn't call TPM a failure in most respects though. None of the PT were failures, they all did great in Box Office and DVD sales, thanks to their name.
When I said failure, I didn't mean commercially. I don't even care about that sort of thing. Lots of shitty movies, many worse than TPM, have made big money.
TPM is the only one of the trilogy that strikes me as real. It is the only one with an organic feel to it. It still used pupets and it still used locations. All the others just feel like extended toy commercials.
Well, to pose a question you posed earlier, So what? Sets and puppets do not a movie make - just as CGI does not a movie make.
Phantom had some very childish elements, but if you go beyond that then it by far has the greatest OTish moments of the whole PT in it. That saber battle at the end set the standard for saber battles so high, and unfortunately neither of the other two even tried.
Well, as far as sheer artistry goes, there is no surpassing the Darth Maul vs. Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan battle. That was a beautifully coreographed scene. However, it is incorrect to connect this saber battle to any in the OT. The saber battles in the OT weren't nearly that artistic, especially the very first one.