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Demonoid Dead...
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Seems they got to TorrentSpy as well. But when there is a demand for torrents and file sharing, there will be a way found to overcome this road block. The people who set up that sort of service (like Demonoid and TorrentSpy ) are creative and I'm sure will not go down without finding some way to get around all this going on now. We will all adapt to this, and a new service will be born (Just like what came after Napster). They just need to find a server in some 3rd world country that does not take kindly to people like the CRIA / F.B.I and other western police state tactics telling them what they can have on their servers.. We humans adapt and survive...
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Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
A bit off topic but THIS is why you don't want that fucking DRM shit!
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Yes, this P2P is really killing the music industry:
Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
A bit off topic but THIS is why you don't want that fucking DRM shit!
Yes, this P2P is really killing the music industry:
Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
A bit off topic but THIS is why you don't want that fucking DRM shit!
Thank god someone scientificly studied this. In fact, I believe that CD sales have preportionally increased since 1999 when P2P really started.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Yes, this P2P is really killing the music industry:
Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
Yes, this P2P is really killing the music industry:
Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
*raises eyebrow*
There's got to be a catch. It's too good to be true. This would be like my high school teachers saying the best way to avoid an STD is to have more wanton sex. In other words: I'm certainly not complaining, but it just doesn't seem logical.
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Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
*raises eyebrow*
There's got to be a catch. It's too good to be true. This would be like my high school teachers saying the best way to avoid an STD is to have more wanton sex. In other words: I'm certainly not complaining, but it just doesn't seem logical.
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Yes, this P2P is really killing the music industry:
Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
Yes, this P2P is really killing the music industry:
Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
*raises eyebrow*
There's got to be a catch. It's too good to be true. This would be like my high school teachers saying the best way to avoid an STD is to have more wanton sex. In other words: I'm certainly not complaining, but it just doesn't seem logical.
People who regularly use P2P networking are exposed to artists that they would never be exposed to otherwise, and their musical worldview opens considerably. P2P brings more new music to people. A lot of people who use P2P use it as a sort of search engine or browsing tool for new kinds of music because they are really into music, and not just because they are cheap. In my experience this couldn't be truer--were it not for P2P I would have half the CD collection I currently have.
The catch is that major labels and artists get hit. Britney Spears suffers, Justin Timberlake suffers and most Top-10 artists suffer. Most people who download their music don't buy their CD's, go to their concerts, or support them financially in any way. But these people are the least harmed by this process because the record labels still make hundreds of millions of dollars and these artists' music is on the radio for free anyway. So, sort of ironically, there is very little harm actually done, preportionally speaking. On the other hand, bands that have more serious followings--a lot of rock bands for example--have downloaders go out and buy their CD's because listeners want more than just the singles and because there is a more personal relationship that entails supporting the band. Non-radio bands, which, lets face it, comprises about 50% of the music in cyberspace, suffer virtually no loses at all, because the only way people hear their music is often through P2P and internet radio, thus even if only 1 out of every 20 downloaders buys something from them, thats still a gain because they wouldn't have had that single purchase anyway. These artists don't make any money from CD sales anyway--in fact no artists really does. CD sales benefit mostly the record label. Thus, when someone downloads a song or an album and discovers a new band they like, they are likely to go to their concerts, and thats where the vast, vast majority or artist income comes from. So, while in a worst case scenario they may lose some CD sales to downloading it actually becomes a huge, huge gain because the amount of new listeners and fans they inherit more than makes up for the difference.
And again, I'm quite certain that CD sales have increased exponentially since P2P became common. This I credit directly to P2P, for exposing people to more music and for making music in general more popular.
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I download any Beatles music and movies I can find on the net, and still last night I went over to Best Buy and got the new release of "Help". Last year I got 4 copies of the official "LOVE" cd and sent 3 of them out as gifts! If they had more then one official Beatles release a year I would get them too. There is in fact no official Beatles title I don't have at this point.
I download Star Wars related stuff, and today I went to Amazon and got the 3 2-dvd sets of ANH - ESB - RotJ with the Original and updated versions.. I Got the Superman Box last year when It came out, and I had just downloaded the torrent of the RIC of Superman II the day before that. These are just the titles I can think of.. Oh, and I got a torrent of Bob Dylan related footage last month, and then went out and got the official DVD of "No Direction Home" & plan to see the new "I'm Not There" film at my local AMC in a few weeks. I got the National Treasure film off torrents, and now plan to see the new one when it comes out at the AMC, and I will buy the official DVD of the first one too. I can't believe I am the exception...
What sucks is the overpriced stuff out there. There is no reason that the Box Sets of the HBO show "ROME" should be $85 each set! When they do that over priced crap , there is more of a chance people will turn to torrents and never buy the official version. I would rather not see the show then pay that kind of money. So not having the torrents would not compel me to pay $85 for something I can't preview. {I don't have HBO} And another thing.. How about rentals? My local video store is going to have 2 copies of each new film no matter if 50 or 500 people rent it.... BMI and ASCAP watch how many times a radio station plays the titles so that the makers of the music gets a cut. But, it's not like that with DVD renting... And IMHO, Britney Spears & Justin Timberlake need to suffer! They don't need more money the spoiled brats... How much money do these people need? It's not like they need the extra sales to eat. They are getting exposure from downloading no matter what, and that helps them in the long run. And one more thing, I once downloaded a Iron Maiden rare EP. Now I plan on going to at least 2 of the 2008 shows when they come to my area...
UP THE IRONS!
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Here at OT.com we have a community of people who share similar tastes. From time to time we talk about music. Let's say someone here recommends to me a band they think I might like, with P2P I could simply go and dl it and decide I like it enough to spend my money on it. Same situation without P2P very likely I will never get to a chance to listen to that band. 20 second sample sound clips just don't cut it, I am not going to decide to buy or not based off of a twenty second, low quality clip. People want to try things before they buy them.
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So I basically have a static music collection.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I'm a bit weird in that morally I don't think it's right to download music that I don't already own in some way, but at the same time I never spend money on CDs...
I'm a bit weird in that morally I don't think it's right to download music that I don't already own in some way, but at the same time I never spend money on CDs...
So... you steal your CDs by hand? Well, I admire your work ethic, if nothing else.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I'm a bit weird in that morally I don't think it's right to download music that I don't already own in some way
I'm a bit weird in that morally I don't think it's right to download music that I don't already own in some way
That strikes me as kind of silly. I mean you don't pay for the radio, and back in the day a lot of people would make cassette recording of their favourite songs from the radio (remember doing that? I do!)--downloading to me is not a whole lot different. A lot of musicians make their music available for free nowadays. Its really only the big record labels that are all up in moral arms--and the entire reason is because its the record executives who get profit from CD sales. They screw most of their clients and keep most of the profit for themselves, which is why it is at the pressure of major recor label executives that the RIAA and such started taking action. In fact, in Canada when blank media (CD's, cassettes) came out, the Canadian recording association put a small fee (ie 2 cents per CD) on all recordable media in order to protect against losses, so really we already have paid them the licencing fees; I remember this was a big deal way back when because their greed ended up giving users a legal loophole but I don't know if they changed this.
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And I had just learned how to block the porn ads so I could surf it at school, too!
That is so signature worthy.
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“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
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"According to the Demonoid IRC channel, the tracker is still working, and they expect the site to be back up soon:[10]
[+mntrSCTf] Welcome to #Demonoid | Site is down, tracker is intermittent (sometimes up, sometimes down), No Current ETA is known. That is all we know...DON'T ASK | Alternate forums at www.demonoiders.com. Expect the site to return, unless we hear otherwise from Deimos."
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Originally posted by: Johnboy3434
*raises eyebrow*
There's got to be a catch. It's too good to be true. This would be like my high school teachers saying the best way to avoid an STD is to have more wanton sex. In other words: I'm certainly not complaining, but it just doesn't seem logical.
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Yes, this P2P is really killing the music industry:
Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
Yes, this P2P is really killing the music industry:
Two University of London researchers found no direct link between use of songs downloaded off P2P networks and the sale of CDs, but found that heavy P2P users are more likely to go out and buy CDs (LINK).
*raises eyebrow*
There's got to be a catch. It's too good to be true. This would be like my high school teachers saying the best way to avoid an STD is to have more wanton sex. In other words: I'm certainly not complaining, but it just doesn't seem logical.
Hard to believe, but some economists think that having more sex will make you less likely to catch an STD (if I understand it, becuase most of the people you'd be having sex with wouldn't have an STD, and those who do have one would soon run out of willing partners):
More Sex Is Safer Sex
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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Originally posted by: fabwill
Hard to believe, but some economists think that having more sex will make you less likely to catch an STD (if I understand it, becuase most of the people you'd be having sex with wouldn't have an STD, and those who do have one would soon run out of willing partners)
Hard to believe, but some economists think that having more sex will make you less likely to catch an STD (if I understand it, becuase most of the people you'd be having sex with wouldn't have an STD, and those who do have one would soon run out of willing partners)
*head explodes, then magically regenerates a la MiB*
If there's a Hell, I think we can safely say we're going to it, now. That has got to be the single most idiotic thing I've ever heard. It goes against all forms of rational logic. Yes, those with STDs would run out of willing partners IF THEY BROADCASTED IT TO EVERYONE THEY MET. Problem is, people with AIDS don't turn blue until after they're dead, so there's no way of knowing if the person in question doesn't either say something or start coughing up blood. These economists are obviously plotting the downfall of the human race. When the diseases have wiped out large segments of the population, they will redistribute the wealth as they see fit. COMMUNISTS!
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Okay, You can discard the second half of that paragraph, but I'll stand behind the firm scientific grounding of "no touchy, no catchy," thank you very much.
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