See, its bullshit like this that has turned me off the format completely. Its just so complicated and stupid, its entirely about corporate greed and has nothing to do with consumer benfits. Microsoft has put this format war to such unnecessary length thats its actually accomplishing what many presume has been Mircrosoft's intention all along: to sabotage the format. Because the truth is that most people have stopped caring. I'm behind Blu-Ray because its the better format but at this point I think I'd be most happy if both of them just withered away, because this whole mess is a complete cluster-fuck that confuses and divides consumers. HD will never win in a dual-format arena; it looked like HD-DVD was dead this summer but now its come back and probably by Christmas it will still be a stalemate--and i think that means that both formats will die. Consumers will willing to either ride out the war or take their chances with their preferred format for a year, but by 2008 people will be so sick of it all that they just won't care anymore. Look at what happened with SACD and DVD-A. Both of them were solid formats that offered a great opportunity to advance our audio format from the CD, but because there was a format war early adopters were divided, neither format took off, the all-important mass consumer lost interest, and both formats died, and now here we are still with the CD.