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The Rohan people of Middle-Earth are directly inspired by the inhabitants of the land in which Beowulf takes place. Everything from there language ( which is an altered form of old english ) to their ways of living, and the Golden Hall was inspired by the mead hall in Beowulf. I n a documentary about Tolkien on the Extended DVDs it is stated that Tolkien was dissapointed at the lack of mythology England had. And he didn't consider King Arthur Engligh mythology because it is actually French this salso stated in the Documentary. So to fix this problem he constructed his own mythology not necesarily about England but of a land somewhat similar to and ancient english land. So yes he also borrowed and got inspiration from other storie. Every author does in some small way.

P.S. Tolkien didn't invent orcs or elves, or ents. He just made these magical and mythological beings his own and constructed them to fit his story.

Sorry to get off topic.


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Originally posted by: C3PX
Hmm, I looked into the whole Bilbo and dragon thing a little more. Actually that whole sequence is very similar to parts of Beowulf. Tolkien borrowed plenty of things from plenty of different myths and legends. I think he would actually be proud that new writers and borrowing from the legend he wrote.


I agree with you that Tolkien's world is beyond Rowling's, but what scene in the first Harry Potter book mimics Bilbo riddling with Smaug? I can't think of one.

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: C3PX
Hmm, I looked into the whole Bilbo and dragon thing a little more. Actually that whole sequence is very similar to parts of Beowulf. Tolkien borrowed plenty of things from plenty of different myths and legends. I think he would actually be proud that new writers and borrowing from the legend he wrote.


I agree with you that Tolkien's world is beyond Rowling's, but what scene in the first Harry Potter book mimics Bilbo riddling with Smaug? I can't think of one.


Skyjedi2005 wrote: "In all fainess i think J.K. Rowling is a hack i mean I read some of the first book and the writing was fairly juvenile and derivative and ripped off of tolkien very badly in some obvious places. I think it's funny because I saw an interview with her on t.v. where she does even try to disguise that she ripped off tolkien heck she said she read those when she was a kid. the fact that she intirely plagiarised one of my favorite moments in the hobbit the one between bilbo and smaug the dragon in the first potter book told me this book belonged thrown in the trash."

I search google but did not find anything specific here. All I found were a few web pages pointing out that she stole the idea of wizards, goblins, dragons, giant spiders, and countless other things from Tolkien. I would also like to point out that I believe she stole the word "the" and "and" from Tolkien as well. You will find that Tolkien used these two words quite often and she plegerizes him by using them quite often as well. Seriously though, I am not sure where the exchage between Bilbo and the dragon was ripped off in HP, but even if she did it is fair enough. As I mentioned before, I fail to see anything so spectacular about her writing, but I don't see any reason she should be considered a hack.

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
For those of you not familiar with Beowulf, there is a part in it where it tells about a dragon living in a mountain atop a vast collection of wealth. One day, a burglar shows up and steals a cup from the dragon's stockpile, and the dragon gets furious and burns a nearby village. Sound familiar to anyone?


Hmm, sounds kinda like...



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Someone has way too much time on their hands. *cheers Trogdor on as he burninates*

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They've announced the release date for the new book: July 21, 2007.

Not too far away!

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But Smash Brothers 3 will still be out before it. [/random tidbit of the day]

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That can't come soon enough, as far as I'm concerned. (SSBB, I mean. I can wait for Potter.)

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According to Game Informer, it's supposed to release June 1st. Though that's the only place I've seen that date, so it might not be accurate.

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man everyone seems to be resurrecting my old thread
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Heh, brilliant marketing strategy. Warner Bros. should definitely look into that. ^_~

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
New HP-OOTP teaser poster found online...

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HA HA HA HA!!! That was awesome Cassidy!


Originally posted by: sean wookie
What the hell is this horse thing all about?


It is Mr. Radcliffe's personal "Conker's Bad Fur Day" he feels necessary to pull in order to be taken seriously as an actor.

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I just launched a new web site: http://www.thedailyprophetonline.com. My goal is to help keep the world of Harry Potter moving on - right now it is just using real world, harry Potter related headlines and stories, but I would really like to mix in fictional wizarding world news. Sort of like http://www.theonion.com/ but somewhat less satirical and obviously based in Harry Potter's world.

If anyone has any ideas or would like to contribute to the site please let me know.

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Does anybody here have the Region 1 DVD of HP and the PHILOSOPHER'S Stone? I'm curious if the deleted scenes also used the term "philosopher" or not. I seem to recall the "Neville Leglocked" scene made mention of it but I could be mistaken and am currently too lazy to pull out my disc and go through the scenes.

Region 1 = NTSC, correct? If it's R1, it WON'T be PAL format ... am I right?
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Region 1 is always NTSC, so yeah, it wont be PAL.

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For the sake of general discussion, as I'm very much behind, I enjoyed "Deathly Hallows", it ranks as being among my favorites from the books, which include "Stone", "Prisoner of Azkaban" and "Half-Blood Prince" (even though I thought Rowling, a competent writer, did a really poor job with the Harry/Ginny romance).

As for the Order of the Phoenix film, well, it was better than I thought it would be, and I'm saying that as someone who is generally cold hearted towards the films.

I'm wary though for how "Half-Blood Prince" will be put on screen.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
even though I thought Rowling, a competent writer, did a really poor job with the Harry/Ginny romance.


I don't know, I think sometimes we mix up "good writer" with "good story teller".

George Lucas is a fantastic story teller. Rowling is a fantastic story teller, but I don't consider her that good of a writer (though not bad either). But there are also certian aspects of her stories that just never come out right. The Romance sections are definitely one of those sections. A middle aged woman writing a story about a teenage boy is a little off. Middle aged women never experienced nor ever will experience what it is like to be a teenage boy. Rowling did her best, but things like the Romances (especially Harry and Cho) and disagreements between Harry and Ron (going for months without talking to each other, what guys do that??) just didn't quite seem right.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Does anybody here have the Region 1 DVD of HP and the PHILOSOPHER'S Stone? I'm curious if the deleted scenes also used the term "philosopher" or not. I seem to recall the "Neville Leglocked" scene made mention of it but I could be mistaken and am currently too lazy to pull out my disc and go through the scenes.

Region 1 = NTSC, correct? If it's R1, it WON'T be PAL format ... am I right?


I own it, but not with me, it's at home and I'm an hour away at college - I'll take a look next chance I get and let you know.
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Well, if it is R1, then I am pretty sure it would be Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone, since both the book and the movie were only released under that name in North America. They figured the Americans would be too uneducated to know what a Philosopher's stone was. As far as I know the only existing NTSC copies of HP and the Philosopher's Stone are DVD-rips of the PAL version with the video converted to NTSC, right?

Must be something deeper to this question than meets the eye, the ADM I know is far more competent in video knowledge than I am and therefore could not be asking such a simple question. ADM, you live in NTSC land, right?

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In Canada HP1 is still called the Philosophers Stone so there region one dvd uses Philosopher Stone instead of Sorcerers Stone.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
even though I thought Rowling, a competent writer, did a really poor job with the Harry/Ginny romance.


I don't know, I think sometimes we mix up "good writer" with "good story teller".

George Lucas is a fantastic story teller. Rowling is a fantastic story teller, but I don't consider her that good of a writer (though not bad either). But there are also certian aspects of her stories that just never come out right. The Romance sections are definitely one of those sections. A middle aged woman writing a story about a teenage boy is a little off. Middle aged women never experienced nor ever will experience what it is like to be a teenage boy. Rowling did her best, but things like the Romances (especially Harry and Cho) and disagreements between Harry and Ron (going for months without talking to each other, what guys do that??) just didn't quite seem right.


Since when is George Lucas a fantastic story teller?

Well, I agree with most of what you wrote, such as the romances not working out quite right.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Since when is George Lucas a fantastic story teller?


Since he came up with Star Wars. It was great and a lot of fun, a very enjoyable story. That is why I said he is a great story teller, but horrible at writing. The only reason the majority of us are at this site is because we really enjoyed the story Lucas had to tell. But as we have seen proven beyond a shadow of a doubt from the prequel trilogy, the man is a horrible writer. Even the overall stories of the PT were not that bad, the writing and execution of it was the bad part. A good writer could have made something great out of Lucas' prequel trilogy, unfortunately somewhere along the way through years and years of fan worship, dollar signs and having his ass kissed George has come to think of himself as the master storyteller and writer that knows no wrong, and therefore decided that he could write and direct the whole thing by himself and not take a bit of creative criticism from anyone. George is a very creative guy and he came up with a lot of cool concepts and characters and story ideas, he is a good story teller, I don't think we can doubt that. That is what makes the PT (as well as ROTJ) so disappointing, there was so much potential there, but so little came out of it.

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