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LordJedi, the point I was trying to make was there is a nuclear deterrent in place. I don't necessarily agree with sean's position of not supporting Israel anymore but your premise of "If we stopped giving them money and stopped supporting them, the other countries would attack in the blink of an eye, much like they did the day after Israel was recreated way back in 1947." is flawed. Isreal's enemies would not attack in the blink of an eye....plus I'll let you on a little secret...you've seen the new F-35? The VSTOL marine model was supposed to be shared with Europe, its not. But Israel is going to get some....
The VSTOL F-35 makes any MIG shit its pants....I wouldn't worry too much about Israel if I were you, they will be fine.




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Originally posted by: vbangle
The VSTOL marine model was supposed to be shared with Europe, its not. But Israel is going to get some....

I think you are mixing up something. You have the naval/marine variant and the "short takeoff and vertical landing" variant (STOVL). Are you sure no European country will get the STOVL, I thought GB will buy them to replace Harriers.
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There is a huge controversy brewing over this right now. The United Kingdom, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey and others all participated in its development and funding but the US Military has bocked at delivering them. There is a good chance that in the end parts of Europe will get the naval and convientional variant, but not the STOVL ( I miss spoke earlier, its STOVL, not VSTOL....duh. LOL @ me.). Its just an opinion but that seems to be whats happening....they are sighting national security reasons for not releasing the STOVL....we'll see.


here's a run down on the different classes of the F-35.



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Originally posted by: vbangle
LordJedi, the point I was trying to make was there is a nuclear deterrent in place. I don't necessarily agree with sean's position of not supporting Israel anymore but your premise of "If we stopped giving them money and stopped supporting them, the other countries would attack in the blink of an eye, much like they did the day after Israel was recreated way back in 1947." is flawed. Isreal's enemies would not attack in the blink of an eye....plus I'll let you on a little secret...you've seen the new F-35? The VSTOL marine model was supposed to be shared with Europe, its not. But Israel is going to get some....
The VSTOL F-35 makes any MIG shit its pants....I wouldn't worry too much about Israel if I were you, they will be fine.


And the point I was trying to make is that there's no way to deter crazy fuckwits like Iran. They're crazy nutjobs that don't care if Israel retaliates with nukes because they'll just spin it to make Israel look bad.

I'm not worried about Israel at all. I'm worried about the rest of the crazy ass nutjobs in that region that are willing to stop at nothing to ensure Israel is wiped off the face of the planet. You can't negotiate with those guys.

And FYI, the F-35 makes everything shit its pants. They had a special on it on the History channel just a few months ago. One F-35 downed everything, in a training exercise, that we threw at it. We're talking F-15s, F-14s, F-18s. Everything. The F-35 is THE modern equivalent of the F-15. Nothing stands a chance against it.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
And FYI, the F-35 makes everything shit its pants. They had a special on it on the History channel just a few months ago. One F-35 downed everything, in a training exercise, that we threw at it. We're talking F-15s, F-14s, F-18s. Everything. The F-35 is THE modern equivalent of the F-15. Nothing stands a chance against it.

Ofcourse it beats everything from F-14 to F18 but did they mention anything about how it would do against the latest Russian Sukhois? And what about the F-22?

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Ack! Sorry, my bad. I made an assumption based on the pictures of the F-35 that it was the same JSF as the F-22 (thought maybe they renumbered it or something). I was actually referring to the F-22.

I'm betting the F-22 and F-35 are pretty even in a fight, though I haven't looked into the details. The F-22 may have more power since it has two engines instead of one.

Which Sukhois are you referring to? From a quick Wikipedia search, the only thing that looks like it would come close to either the F-22 or F-35 is the PAK-FA. As far as I can tell, that's still in development. Any of their other ones look more like F-15s and F-18s than anything else. I'd imagine that if they're anything like those, they don't stand a chance.
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Originally posted by: vbangle

The VSTOL F-35 makes any MIG shit its pants....


Any modern USAF jet is enough to make a MIG shit its pants, but yeah, the F-35 is an impressive looking machine.

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The F-35B doesn't need the ground effect to hover. It can come to a complete stop at altitude. 1,000 feet up, 10,000 feet, 30,000 feet it doesn't matter the F-35B can hover there....Pretty cool.

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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Ack! Sorry, my bad. I made an assumption based on the pictures of the F-35 that it was the same JSF as the F-22 (thought maybe they renumbered it or something). I was actually referring to the F-22.

I'm betting the F-22 and F-35 are pretty even in a fight, though I haven't looked into the details. The F-22 may have more power since it has two engines instead of one.

Which Sukhois are you referring to? From a quick Wikipedia search, the only thing that looks like it would come close to either the F-22 or F-35 is the PAK-FA. As far as I can tell, that's still in development. Any of their other ones look more like F-15s and F-18s than anything else. I'd imagine that if they're anything like those, they don't stand a chance.


I meant any Sukhoi from the SU-27 and up. They are awesome, extreme manuverability. The pilot has an aiming device in the helmet so he can lock on to a target by just looking at it. He can even look back and lock on to another plane that's attacking from behind. If the pilot can't use the landing gear, no problem, he can slide (they built it to be able to do that). And the pilot can steer the exhaust nozzles.

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Belly landing

I'm sure the F-22 can do the same (except for the belly landing maybe).

And my favorite: F-35 vertical takeoff
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It looks like the SU-3x series are much more comparable to the F-22 and F-35 than anything from the SU-2x series. They've got some cool capabilities, but it looks like they're more comparable to the F-15, F-16, and F-18 (at least according to Wikipedia). That's probably due to many factors, including the stealth capabilities of the F-22 and F-35.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
New topic please?

Oh come on! Jet fighters are cool!
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Guys I just teared my dad to pieces and got him so pissed off by using facts in a Bible argument.
My dad is ashamed that I'm an Atheist.
This helped:
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Factually accurate? I don't know but I doubt he really knows anything about the Bible.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
New topic please?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/22/vick/index.html

I think the Naacp has lost credibility by trying to play the race card in this. This man is the lowest form of scum there is. I'm sick of this whole cop's hate rich black people. If you have pride in your race your stupid.


You had me until the last line. What, exactly, is stupid about having pride in ones race? Black people should be proud to be black. I'm proud to be a white American of Scottish, Irish, and Italian descent. My wife is proud to be Chinese. What's wrong with pride in ones race? Everything else you said makes sense except that.

And by the way, sean, yeah, if your dad had half a clue about the Bible, he could've blown that document to smithereens. Hell, I've found flaws in every single item on that page so far. Shall I list them for you? Here's the first one: Adam and Eve didn't have to understand all the ins and outs of right and wrong in order to understand that they were being told "No". Think of God as a parent and Adam and Eve as his first two children. They really know nothing about the world other than what they see and are told. So, think of it from the point of view of an earthly parent. When you tell your child "No" and they do it anyway, does that mean that they didn't really disobey you and therefore didn't sin? Of course not! Just because they may not understand the immediate implications does not absolve them of the wrong doing.

That's just one item on that whole page. I could probably go on all night. I can't believe you had a Bible argument and used that to win. Some of the other items are even more laughable then that. Most every Christian with even a little knowledge knows that December 25th isn't the real birthday of Christ. What your document doesn't say is that it use to be celebrated in February or March (can't remember which) BEFORE it was moved to December 25th in an effort to get Pagans to convert. The Church makes no secret of that. I've even heard Priests outright say this in Church. It's simply used as a day to celebrate his birth, not the actual day of the birth.

That document is truly lame.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Guys I just teared my dad to pieces and got him so pissed off by using facts in a Bible argument.
My dad is ashamed that I'm an Atheist.
This helped:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s70/SEANWOOKIE/1187843570998.gif
Factually accurate? I don't know but I doubt he really knows anything about the Bible.
Penn and Teller Bullshit: Makes me feel smarter.



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You know if it's true or not you'd still deny it if it was.

But you got to admit all Atheists are not bad people. We are not trying to put you in prison either. I don't know if you believe that's is just what I've heard on Christian websites. We are not Satanists, we don't want you to have abortions. We just want to be accepted.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
You know if it's true or not you'd still deny it if it was.

But you got to admit all Atheists are not bad people. We are not trying to put you in prison either. I don't know if you believe that's is just what I've heard on Christian websites. We are not Satanists, we don't want you to have abortions. We just want to be accepted.


What makes you say we would deny it whether it is true or not?

And who ever said atheists were bad people at all, let alone not admit that all of them are not bad. Are Christians trying to put atheists in prison? I have yet to hear of prision sentences being given on either side based on who believes in what. Obviously the terms Santanist and atheist don't mix well. If someone were to be a Satanist and an athiest, then people might as well be Christians and athiests at once. And where did abortion come into all of this?? And who is not accepting who here? I have no problem with atheists at all, in fact, I tend to get along with them much better than most Christians.

Sean, I think you take those stupid "Christian" sites too seriously, as do the people who make them. Most of those sites make me angry too. Most of the people who make those are a bunch of fucking self rightous bigots. Please stop thinking all Christians or theists are like this. Just because somebody believes in God, or in Christ doesn't mean they are a psychotic nutjob. Unfortunately, there is an incredible mass of psycho nutjobs who are theists and Christians.

Religion (and science!) both have a very high potential for being used to rally the masses in order to achieve the selfish means of their leaders. This fact in itself should play no part in someones questioning whether or not their is a God. Even the Bible, whether you believe in it or not, warns that there will be people who will use Christianity for selfish gain. So that can't really be used as an argument for why Christianity is false. I think anyone who blindly follows a religion without ever stoping to ask themselves why they believe what they do, seriously needs to wake up and start thinking for themselves.

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Originally posted by: sean wookie
You know if it's true or not you'd still deny it if it was.

But you got to admit all Atheists are not bad people. We are not trying to put you in prison either. I don't know if you believe that's is just what I've heard on Christian websites. We are not Satanists, we don't want you to have abortions. We just want to be accepted.


What the hell websites are you reading? And what do you mean "we just want to be accepted"? You sound like a black person from before the Civil War.

You're generally not accepted around here because you post the stupidest things I've ever seen. If you just, for once in your life, formed an opinion based on all the facts and not just a stupid headline, we might be able to have a real debate and then you'd be accepted. Unfortunately, you make these ignorant posts that only show how little knowledge you really have.

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So I found an interesting thing. I watch this winamp tv stream where they play all kinds of stuff, today they played something I thought was extra weird. It was this girl this guy put her in this bag and it had a vacuum attachment after she was in they sucked up all the air in to make it air tight. I find this funny and weird but not sick. But my question is who came up with this?

I think it helps in my argument that there is a fetish for everybody.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
But my question is who came up with this?


Oh that was me, I came up with it. Pretty cool huh.

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reading back over the last page or so, I have a question for the ever-irritating Sean Wookie.....do you actually have an original opinion of your own on any subject that wasn't cut n pasted from another website?

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