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lordjedi,
After engaging in various arguments with you over the past few days, I would like to ask you the following questions in order to be less ignorant of your overall viewpoint. Feel free to ask me similar questions as I have no problem answering them. That way we can get to know the extremes of each others viewpoints and avoid wasting time on arguments on which we will never see eye to eye.

1. Should a child be given medical treatment free of charge by American taxpayers if his or her parents do not have health insurance?

2. Is Ann Coulter a cunt (does she make you at least a little bit uneasy)?

3. Is Rush Limbaugh a hypocrite (do you find him laughable)?

4. Is George Bush a conservative?

5. Is George Bush a bit of a dunce?

5. Should gay couples be able to adopt children that are otherwised not wanted by straight couples and are going to live in a foster home if not adopted by a homosexual couple. Please don't qualify this question, anwser it as a hypothetical if you must.

6. Who killed JFK?

7. Should pot be legal?

8. Should the "God Hates Fags" people have the right to protest at the funerals of American Soldiers? I am not asking this in terms of a states rights question, I'm asking whether or not YOU feel that they should have that right.

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1) Yes
2) Don't know her
3) Don't know him
4) No
5) Yes
5) Yes
6) Don't know
7) Yes
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I'm not lordjedi, but just for the record.

1. Only in emergencies.

2. Ann Coulter is a bit crazy, but that's no excuse to use epithets like that.

3. I think Rush harps on some trivial things sometimes, but he's usually right.

4. Moderately conservative; certainly the most conservative since Reagan.

5. I'm beginning to think so, at least when it comes to immigration. I'd say he's of average intelligence in a job that really requires a lot more than that.

5. Yes

6. Chuck Norris

7. No

8. The "God Hates Fags" people should be publicly excecuted.

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arnie.d - It is hard to grade your test with two questions left blank. Omitting those questions (reluctantly) you are approximately 83% sensible. You only missed one question that you answered (Oswald killed JFK).

Darth Chatlab - you are approximately 25% percent sensible. That is not to say that you're a dope, this test just gauges the common sense vs. political mockingbird response.

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I'll have to answer these later. I'm about to head home right now. I don't think it'll really matter what my responses are though, you'll probably think I'm a dick either way.

EDIT: Actually, I think I can answer most of these now.

1. Depends on what the "medical treatment" is. A doctor cannot refuse treatment (at least in California). You might get stuck with a giant bill, but you won't be refused treatment. I guess I would want to know how/why the parents have no medical insurance (ie what situations arose that they decided to have a child without having the ability to take care of the child). That's mostly because I just can't imagine bringing a child into this world without having the ability to take care of it.

The simple answer will echo Chaltab's "only in emergencies"

2. I think Ann Coulter's funny. She obviously gets a rise out of the left, which is even funnier. She's got strong opinions and is not politically correct. For that, I salute her. I don't necessarily agree with everything she says, but I think she's funny.

3. Rush Limbaugh might be a little smug, but I'd probably be smug too if I had that much money. I don't listen to him much these days though. I tend to listen to 790 AM KABC talkradio (Doug McEntire, Al Rantell, Larry Elder).

4. Conservative in the classic sense? Obviously not. Far more Conservative than Clinton, Gore, and Kerry. He's no Ronald Reagan, but considering the alternative, I'd rather have him.

5. Only if you consider Al Gore and John Kerry equally as stupid. If I'm not mistaken, Bush had better grades in school. Sure, he's not as quick witted as Clinton was and he gets tongue tied at times, but that doesn't mean he's stupid. I find myself doing the same thing when I don't slow down and speak to fast. People usually know what he means, the left just likes to make him look stupid.

5. You have two questions fives. You're calling Bush a dunce? Who's the idiot now? To answer this question: I don't know. I never really thought about it. While I don't believe a homosexual lifestyle is right, I also don't think being gay is catchy.

6. Lee Harvey Oswald is attributed to the assassination. Whether or not he really did it, I don't know. I don't think there's a conspiracy though.

7. For anyone over 18 or 21, sure. Regulate it and tax it like Alcohol and Cigarettes. But I also think companies should be free to continue drug testing for it and not hire people that smoke it if they don't want.

8. Yes, I do think they should have that right. Personally I can't stand it and I think they're all evil though. This is a difficult question for me to answer though, since I always think to myself "If you take away their right to do it, what happens when someone wants to take away something I want to do?" Nevermind the Constitution, for me, it comes back to freedom of expression.
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I don't think you're a dick, I am just curious as to your level of common sense. Sean Wookie is a dick.

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Originally posted by: Rob
Sean Wookie is a dick.


Wait, is this a question?

My answer is definitely "Yes."

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See above for my answers. I edited my post during your reply.
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Originally posted by: Rob
I don't think you're a dick, I am just curious as to your level of common sense. Sean Wookie is a dick.


Common sense? Some of those questions had no relation at all to common sense and were merely asking about opinions. Common sense would be something like "Do you think it's ok to run people over?" or "Would you touch a hot blow torch and then sue the manufacturer?"
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You're right I had two questions 5s and for that I deserve to be flogged. That was an interesting way to avoid a very telling queston. Now that have a better feel for your opinions, let me narrow it down.

1. Should we as American citizens pay for the extended medical care (i.e. cancer, heart defects, etc.) of children whose parents do not have medical insurance?

2. Should gay couples be able to adopt children that are otherwise not wanted by straight couples and are going to live in a foster home if not adopted by a homosexual couple. Please don't qualify this question, anwser it as a hypothetical if you must.

3. Do you believe that Bill Clinton would have a higher IQ than George Bush on a widely accepted IQ test (spacial reasoning, visual memory, etc.) ?

4. Should women be allowed to discretely breast feed in public?

5. Should American's have the right to carry a concealed handgun in any state, or should states be able to decide which out of staters are allowed to carry in their state as they can now?

6. What is the greatest tv sitcom of all time?

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Originally posted by: Rob

4. Should women be allowed to discretely breast feed in public?


No.

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1. I don't believe so; I believe it's the parent's responsiblity to take care of their own children, not the responsiblity of the American taxpayer. I think there should be options for such emergencies, that charities should be expanded to help with such things, certainly. But not the tax payers themselves.

2. I don't think there's a legal grounds to deny such things unless marriage is a requirement for adoption.

3. Probably. Bill Clinton's a liar, not a moron.

4. I fail to see how this is a political issue, but no, I don't think it should be prohibited. Babies have gotta eat too.

5. No opinion on this issue.

6. I despise sitcoms.

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You're pretty sensible Chatlab, with the exception of the first question. If our society were to allow abandoned children to die of curable medical conditions we would not be fit to call ourselves civilized. That's why such a question separates sensible people from folks who rely to heavily on political ideals. The political ideal of self reliance is important, but not enough to let some five year old die of Leukemia. In this case, anyone but a fool can see that such a child's life is more important than taking a conservative ideal to the ultimate extreme.

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1. You're using a "think of the children" question to validate socialized medicine. You continue to narrow the scope of the question while keeping it focused on children. Here's my answer: Why don't the parents have health insurance? Are the parents drug addicts? Would the child be better served in another home? Do the parents not have any friends or family? This is why large social circles are important. People should not depend on the government to bail them out. Plan for the future. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. This is why people have insurance (health, life, car, home, etc). Nobody wants to get sick/in a car accident/die, but if they don't plan for these things, someone else is going to have to foot the bill.

You're full of shit on this question. You went from parents not having insurance to abandoned children (per your reply to Chaltab). Obviously an abandoned child can be taken care of. Get them into a good, stable home and you probably won't have to worry about uninsured parents. By the way, not all forms of cancer or heart defects are cureable, so stop fooling yourself and others.

2. I told you before I don't know. I wasn't avoiding the question, I've simply never given it any thought. I don't see any problem with it on the surface. Then again, I happen to believe that children need a father and a mother.

3. No. I think Clinton would score better on a charisma test and I think he gets along better with the ladies, but that's about it.

4. Sure, discretely. Nobody has a problem with the ones that do it discretely. It's the ones that want to whip it out for the world to see that most people have a problem with. Hell, even my sister was borderline "whiping it out" when she fed her kids. Yeah, it was a little disturbing, but I never saw anything. My other sister, on the other hand, takes her kids to another room where she can have some privacy.

5. This is a State's rights issue and yeah, it should be left like that. Are you suggesting that people shouldn't try to get the law changed? I disagree with that. But yeah, it should remain a State's rights issue.

6. Scrubs of course.

Once again, none of this has anything to do with common sense (aside from the first question). Everything else is just a matter of opinion. You've picked items that probably mean a lot to you and now you're forming an opinion of me (and some others) based on our answers. We obviously don't hold the same opinions as you. We might come to the same conclusions sometimes, but that's probably based on different reasoning.
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You have no idea where I'm coming from. You've probably assumed that I'm some liberal jerk off because of the fact that I didn't bring my pom-poms, but your sadly mistaken.

1. Any decent human being would agree that any sick child should be taken care of by a civilized society. This is not an argument for socialized medicine, it is precisely the opposite. It is a demonstration that your (and my by the way) opposition to socialized medicine has caused you to think of a question of simple human decency in the context of a current political argument. The answer is we should treat all sick children, regardless of whether or not we are opposed to socialized medicine for all citizens. Children are helpless and cannot be held to the ideal of American self reliance.

3. Bill Clinton (although I hate his guts) is much more intelligent than George Bush. This is plain to see, and has nothing to do with which man you find to be more decent or admirable. George Bush is a Dope and Clinton is highly intelligent regardless of there political ideologies. Again your politics, specifically your rightful disgust with Clinton, and political similarities with Bush, have blinded you to something that is plain as day.

5. The right to carry a handgun should not be a state by state issue any more that the right to free speech should be a state to state issue, it is guaranteed by the second amendment and should not limited to carrying a weapon only in your home state. Some conservative you are.

6. The correct answer is Seinfled.

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Originally posted by: Rob
You have no idea where I'm coming from. You've probably assumed that I'm some liberal jerk off because of the fact that I didn't bring my pom-poms, but your sadly mistaken.

1. Any decent human being would agree that any sick child should be taken care of by a civilized society. This is not an argument for socialized medicine, it is precisely the opposite. It is a demonstration that your (and my by the way) opposition to socialized medicine has caused you to think of a question of simple human decency in the context of a current political argument. The answer is we should treat all sick children, regardless of whether or not we are opposed to socialized medicine for all citizens. Children are helpless and cannot be held to the ideal of American self reliance.

3. Bill Clinton (although I hate his guts) is much more intelligent than George Bush. This is plain to see, and has nothing to do with which man you find to be more decent or admirable. George Bush is a Dope and Clinton is highly intelligent regardless of there political ideologies. Again your politics, specifically your rightful disgust with Clinton, and political similarities with Bush, have blinded you to something that is plain as day.

5. The right to carry a handgun should not be a state by state issue any more that the right to free speech should be a state to state issue, it is guaranteed by the second amendment and should not limited to carrying a weapon only in your home state. Some conservative you are.

6. The correct answer is Seinfled.


1. And who's going to pay for it all? Money doesn't grow on trees. There's a lot of sick children in this world. Do we treat them all? Do we start forcing doctors to go to foreign countries to treat their children? Charities exist for a reason. Cut taxes and let people keep more of their income and charitable donations go up. That is a historical proven fact.

3. You're basing this on what? His popularity? Please, show me some evidence. Bill Clinton is obviously better in front of a camera. He's better at off the cuff questions. If he's so damn smart, why the hell didn't he take out bin Laden when he had the chance?

5. The right to carry a handgun is different from the right to bear arms. Of course that should not be a state by state issue. I'm very pro-gun, but I do not think a concealed weapon is specifically spelled out in the Constitution. I think everyone should be able to carry one, yes, but if one state decides not to allow but doesn't ban guns, I'm pretty sure I'm ok with that. When the laws get draconian like they are here in California, that's where I draw the line. Again, find in the Constitution where you have the right to carry a gun with you at all times. It's not there. "The right of the People, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." You could construe that to mean also carrying concealed and I'd back you on it. But not being able to carry a gun on your person is not the same thing as outright banning guns.

6. Seinfeld is crap

What was the point to all of this?
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Originally posted by: Rob
lordjedi,
After engaging in various arguments with you over the past few days, I would like to ask you the following questions in order to be less ignorant of your overall viewpoint. Feel free to ask me similar questions as I have no problem answering them. That way we can get to know the extremes of each others viewpoints and avoid wasting time on arguments on which we will never see eye to eye.

1. Should a child be given medical treatment free of charge by American taxpayers if his or her parents do not have health insurance?

2. Is Ann Coulter a cunt (does she make you at least a little bit uneasy)?

3. Is Rush Limbaugh a hypocrite (do you find him laughable)?

4. Is George Bush a conservative?

5. Is George Bush a bit of a dunce?

5. Should gay couples be able to adopt children that are otherwised not wanted by straight couples and are going to live in a foster home if not adopted by a homosexual couple. Please don't qualify this question, anwser it as a hypothetical if you must.

6. Who killed JFK?

7. Should pot be legal?

8. Should the "God Hates Fags" people have the right to protest at the funerals of American Soldiers? I am not asking this in terms of a states rights question, I'm asking whether or not YOU feel that they should have that right.


Why don't you give us your answers now? This has all been a lot of one way bullshit.
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I've pretty much given my answers, I don't mind stating them all in one post but it would be much more interesting to me to answer a similar list of your questions. You're quite right that this has all been very one way, I would enjoy answering a similar list of questions which you feel would be revealing as to my lack of common sense vs. political cheerleading or whatever else.

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You got me. I lack common sense.

Did it ever occur to you that my answers had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with my personal opinion? I busted my ass to get where I am today. A good job, beautiful wife, nice car, house, one wonderful son (so far). Common sense tells me that if you want to get ahead in life, you work hard (go to school, get a job, get ahead), don't complain to much, and roll with the punches. Sacrifice is necessary as well. That means that if you can't afford the latest fashion or the new car because you need to pay rent, eat food, or pay tuition, that you go without. That means that you save money for a rainy day, so that when that unexpected car repair bill comes, instead of worrying if you can afford it, you've got the money to pay for it. Instead of taking that paycheck and blowing it on fun and entertainment, put it in savings and stay in. Yeah, it sucks, but your future depends on it.

I have gone without. I have made sacrifices. I live way below my means just so I don't have to worry about those things. I could probably buy a new car tomorrow, but it would mean a $400 car payment, plus higher insurance, for the next 5 years. I've already got a mortgage, I don't need more debt.

You think you know me because of a few questions you asked. You don't know a damn thing about me.
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Hehe, this thread is funny in multiple ways. As far as I'm concerned, what lordjedi just described is the height of common sense. Making choices that are commonly known to be wise. If other people looked after their own lives and their own children with the same kind of diligence, this country and this world would be a much better place in general. Thankfully most US citizens still understand this. We don't have the work ethic of a third-world culture yet, but that's always a danger and government can be a very destructive influence on our society as far as the ethics of hard work and pride/honor/respect go.

As far as I'm concerned, I see modern politicians falling over themselves to enact programs that coddle and promote stupidity. For instance, that fool Edwards is talking about how we need a federal fund to save people's home ownerships after they've poorly managed their mortgages (I'm sure people like ADM love this idea), and yet that fund would be paid for with tax money taken from people like lordjedi who have spent their lives doing the right thing and taking life's problems seriously. Which behavior is the behavior that truly deserves assistance and promotion though? Which behavior do we really want to encourage in our society and teach to each new generation? Common sense isn't common; people need to learn what works or they'll be stuck in self-destructive behavior. Sometimes that learning process is painful and uncomfortable, sometimes to the degree where their lives and the lives of their children are shortened, but they are lessons that must be learned. If we truly care about other people, then we need to let them endure hardship when they need to endure hardship.

Now, ethical principles are very different from common sense. A person concerned with ethics analyzes fundamental rules of human behavior as a way to deduce that which is most wise through the way different rules intersect and interact. The fundamental rules used in this process are defined by the fact that they are very stable and at least seem to never change. It's kind of like common sense but much more scientific.


Originally posted by: Rob
lordjedi,
1. Should a child be given medical treatment free of charge by American taxpayers if his or her parents do not have health insurance?

2. Is Ann Coulter a cunt (does she make you at least a little bit uneasy)?

3. Is Rush Limbaugh a hypocrite (do you find him laughable)?

4. Is George Bush a conservative?

5. Is George Bush a bit of a dunce?

5. Should gay couples be able to adopt children that are otherwised not wanted by straight couples and are going to live in a foster home if not adopted by a homosexual couple. Please don't qualify this question, anwser it as a hypothetical if you must.

6. Who killed JFK?

7. Should pot be legal?

8. Should the "God Hates Fags" people have the right to protest at the funerals of American Soldiers? I am not asking this in terms of a states rights question, I'm asking whether or not YOU feel that they should have that right.


1. This is an invalid question to ask as any sort of absolute rule to judge other people since its assumptions become faulty at that absolute level. Most notably I'd have to assume that a child could be given free medical care via taxpayer money in every possible instance where a child has no "coverage," which would be absurd. After that I'd have to assume that if a child were given free medical care with taxpayer money (when it is without coverage), that such a response could be the best possible action to take out of every possible action that could exist in competition with it, and yet logic tells us that it is impossible for us to absolutely affirm a negative. Therefore my answer is: sometimes, depending upon the situation.

2. Not physically, no, but I think she has one.

3. Yes (and yes). I find many people hypocritical and laughable though, and Rush Limbaugh is actually about average here. I still think he's a very smart, funny, and likable, optimistic guy despite his faults.

4. Not overall, at least not in the way I define conservatism. Ron Paul is someone I'd call a real "conservative" as apposed to Bush and all of the other jerks he's running against (though I still disagree with him about Iraq and the Middle East).

5. In certain cases, when they are thoroughly investigated to be fit parental material, sure.

6. Lee Harvey Oswald.

7. Yes, but it should still be considered morally and ethically wrong. Sort of like premarital sex in a very loose sense.

8. No, it's disgusting.

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Originally posted by: Rob
You're right I had two questions 5s and for that I deserve to be flogged. That was an interesting way to avoid a very telling queston. Now that have a better feel for your opinions, let me narrow it down.

1. Should we as American citizens pay for the extended medical care (i.e. cancer, heart defects, etc.) of children whose parents do not have medical insurance? Yes. How does it get paid for?

2. Should gay couples be able to adopt children that are otherwise not wanted by straight couples and are going to live in a foster home if not adopted by a homosexual couple. Please don't qualify this question, anwser it as a hypothetical if you must. Yeah, whatever you do don't qualify your answer. If the child was born under a full moon, on the day when the moons of Saturn and Jupiter are aligned, at high noon with a 9.5 earthquake. Questions like this leave the door wide open for gay adoption in all circumstances.

3. Do you believe that Bill Clinton would have a higher IQ than George Bush on a widely accepted IQ test (spacial reasoning, visual memory, etc.) ?
Yes. Point?

4. Should women be allowed to discretely breast feed in public?
It's not a civil rights issue, but as usual it MUST be made one. Define discretely.

5. Should American's have the right to carry a concealed handgun in any state, or should states be able to decide which out of staters are allowed to carry in their state as they can now?
In keeping with the 10th amendment, the right to bear arms is explicitly spelled out in the Constitution, which by definition means it's not only a state issue. States can and should exercise some control over their firearms laws, but should not be able to ban their citizens from carrying them. Concealed carry reciprocity should be a codified federal law.

6. What is the greatest tv sitcom of all time?
Arrested Development
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Originally posted by: Rob
lordjedi,
After engaging in various arguments with you over the past few days, I would like to ask you the following questions in order to be less ignorant of your overall viewpoint. Feel free to ask me similar questions as I have no problem answering them. That way we can get to know the extremes of each others viewpoints and avoid wasting time on arguments on which we will never see eye to eye.

1. Should a child be given medical treatment free of charge by American taxpayers if his or her parents do not have health insurance? See my previous post on this. How is it paid for?

2. Is Ann Coulter a cunt (does she make you at least a little bit uneasy)? Ad-hominem. When you can't dispute someone on the basis of facts call them a cunt...or a fag. Or gay.

3. Is Rush Limbaugh a hypocrite (do you find him laughable)? I find him correct in 9 of the 10 things he says. Or at least I agree with 9 of 10.

4. Is George Bush a conservative? Not by a long shot.

5. Is George Bush a bit of a dunce?
Yes. So was Truman. He's the guy modern academics...and the media...claim REALLY won the Cold War. He did this by losing China and Eastern Europe to the Communists. But he won. Not Reagan.

5. Should gay couples be able to adopt children that are otherwised not wanted by straight couples and are going to live in a foster home if not adopted by a homosexual couple. Please don't qualify this question, anwser it as a hypothetical if you must.
The entire question is one big qualification.

6. Who killed JFK?
Many people.

7. Should pot be legal?
Yes. That way it can be taxed out of existence like cigarettes.

8. Should the "God Hates Fags" people have the right to protest at the funerals of American Soldiers? I am not asking this in terms of a states rights question, I'm asking whether or not YOU feel that they should have that right.
No.
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Originally posted by: Rob5. Should American's have the right to carry a concealed handgun in any state, or should states be able to decide which out of staters are allowed to carry in their state as they can now?
In keeping with the 10th amendment, the right to bear arms is explicitly spelled out in the Constitution, which by definition means it's not only a state issue. States can and should exercise some control over their firearms laws, but should not be able to ban their citizens from carrying them. Concealed carry reciprocity should be a codified federal law.


I had not thought about this in that way. Additionally, combined with the 4th amendment, I would have to say it already is law. As such, I stand corrected.

You're right on this one Rob. I don't fail as a Conservative though. I failed my constitutional knowledge.

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9. Should sites like this be allowed to exist? ~Desu
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A more appropriate question is why are people spending so much time on crap like that. I could care less if a site like that exists. I don't look at it and it's blocked on the company firewall (I had to temporarily remove the block in order to see what Sean was fussing about).

So Sean, do you spend your day looking at cartoons having sex?
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