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If anything, you've kinda proven to me that we have to show Yoda surviving the fight and leaving the senate chamber simply because of hte large role he plays in the rest of the film.
if only we could restructure the film lol
But yes, I love what you said..and you are completely right... unfortunately I can't do that even with my program... you did make me realize though that I have to show yoda escaping the senate chamber (something I almost cut like how you say).
Great point though... that would be the ideal edit.
there would have to be some way, however, to explain to Obi-Wan before hand that Qui-Gon was back... and he'd have to learn hwo to commune with him ...
perhaps had they left in the encounter on Utapau... and have Qui-Gon actually teach him... then yoda wouldn't have to be around to say that to him...
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Sounds
And I have a question:
Is there a way to do an edit of ROTS so that the emperor dies in his fight against Yoda???
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I've begun my edit of part IV... anyone have any thoughts on how to remove leia's birth... or on the sequence as a whole?
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I mean, how great of an introduction do we get for Yoda in ESB?
Then, we meet him again-...for the "first" time in the PT, and what do we get?
Almost a parody of what he was in ESB! Heck, that's almost the case in ROTJ...
It would have made more sense to have him mentioned as being on some far off planet where every Jedi went to take the trials (Great idea from someone on these boards...I forget who! Sorry!).
Lucas decided to bring back almost EVERY character from the OT into the PT and now, watching them in order, you get almost ZERO new characters in 4,5, and 6. Which, of course, makes it a very small universe.
We didn't need Jabba, Boba, Chewy, Yoda...the only ones that really needed to return would have been Obi, Anakin, and Palps.
OK, that was a random rant!
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I was curious if anyone knows of good films from which I can rip dialogue that Liam Neeson has spoken, preferably in his natural voice.
Right now I'm working on the scene where yoda is meditating. I want to make it similar to this: T-Bones World Deleted Scene
My idea, currently, is to mix some audio from Episode I, III and even a bit from Narnia... I know people had mentioned Batman Begins, but I don't have that on dvd.. might rent it to get some of the audio. Are there any other films of his that might work?
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Which version of "Duel Of The Fates" out of your completed soundtrack did you use for part III???
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In order to make that when I did my complete score edit for Episode III, I used the instrumental version I made for EPisode I, and layered over the DVD rip from Episode III.
We know from the recording sessions, not to mention the vocals themselves, that the choir was re-recorded for Episode III. Exactly how much or in what sort of edit of DOTF they were recorded, we dont' know... but the vocals were recorded specifically for Episode III, so if you listen carefully, you can hear slightly different pronunciation, annunciations, and lengths and even the mixing of voices. I think a smaller choir was used.
That's what I used.
On another note, I've made a very preliminary attempt at editing Part IV... specifically the conversation between Yoda and Qui-Gon. There are a few errors that I havn't fixed yet, but I wanted to post this to show where I'm going, what I'm using, and to get any ideas or input.
You can download it here:
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Let me know what you all think.
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I enjoyed where you are going with the Yoda/Qui-Gon meditation scene. I think it is very effective to combine the inclusion of Qui-Gon with Yoda's understanding of the prophecy. I especially liked how Yoda could barely just reach far enough into the future to just catch a glimpse of the adult Luke Skywalker, almost on the "fringes" of Yoda's ability to see the future. Very interesting concept..especially in light of Yoda talking with Luke in ESB about seeing the future, nice to get a glimpse of Yoda actually doing so. Great work!!
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Goodmusician,
I enjoyed where you are going with the Yoda/Qui-Gon meditation scene. I think it is very effective to combine the inclusion of Qui-Gon with Yoda's understanding of the prophecy. I especially liked how Yoda could barely just reach far enough into the future to just catch a glimpse of the adult Luke Skywalker, almost on the "fringes" of Yoda's ability to see the future. Very interesting concept..especially in light of Yoda talking with Luke in ESB about seeing the future, nice to get a glimpse of Yoda actually doing so. Great work!!
Goodmusician,
I enjoyed where you are going with the Yoda/Qui-Gon meditation scene. I think it is very effective to combine the inclusion of Qui-Gon with Yoda's understanding of the prophecy. I especially liked how Yoda could barely just reach far enough into the future to just catch a glimpse of the adult Luke Skywalker, almost on the "fringes" of Yoda's ability to see the future. Very interesting concept..especially in light of Yoda talking with Luke in ESB about seeing the future, nice to get a glimpse of Yoda actually doing so. Great work!!
I'm going to have to disagree with this opinion. It's very jarring to cut to. That goes with all the clips actually; it might lend better to dissolve between them, seeming like a vision more than Yoda watching a movie in his mind. This also goes with continuously cutting back out to Yoda. With the dream shots we've seen before it's easily understood that we're seeing what Yoda sees. Cutting in and out is too much (aside frome maybe the first instance). Also, we see Bail enter way too soon. Actually we don't need to see him enter even. Just have the images be building, up to the Vader arm clawing up, then Bail's interuption breaks the vision.
Small other comment: While acceptable, the first 3 visions resemble a trailer more than a vision pertaining to the audio. Maybe visions of young Ani? The clones have nothing to do with the prophecy of the Chosen One.
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I was toying with the idea of having young pictures of anakin before the jedi but I needed to rip that and I wanted to test out some other ideas because I went back and ripped more.
I left Palpatine in because it was a reminder of how strong Palpatine had grown ... rather than anakin destroyingf them...
I might actualy just have the line Obi-wan says echoing as well...
I wanted to show what Yoda was seeing, but show yoda simply because I thought it was stronger that way but I did feel it was breaking up the flow which is why I wanted opinions.
The showing of Luke was a last minute idea because, like I said, I'd pulled the first trailer from Episode III and that shot is in there... and I thought "hey, that might be cool... "
Do you like the dialogue? Do you think it's fitting?
I might cut back on some of the shots of Yoda... I kinda still want to show Bail walking in though... but maybe. I'll toy with not including that.
Also, do you guys think I should pull that short clip of the skiff flying away from Mustafar (the unused one). I tried extending it but it got all weird and blurry... I kinda like that shot...
But then agian, becuase You can for some strange reason see Mustafar out the window, you get this weird effect and I don't know if it works..
Ideas? comments?
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The dialogue that you've patched together works really well!
When I watched your clip, I didn't want the scene to end! I really miss Qui-Gon from the PT and it was cool to have him "back".
The line "You still have much to learn, my apprentice." Doesn't work as well, in my opinion.
I guess having Qui-Gon call Yoda "apprentice" is odd. I guess I can't really say why. I just don't think of Yoda as an apprentice.
Could it be "You still have much to learn, old friend." Or "...master Yoda."?
Yeah, I would take a listen to Batman Begins and see what might work there.
I would encourage you to try and extend the dialogue between the two...it's just so cool!
This idea just came to me:
Qui-gon: "He IS the chosen one."
Yoda(from ATOC): "How can this be?"
I liked SOME of the cutting back and forth between Yoda and the visions, but it was slightly over done.
I'm also not sure about some of the clips:
Clones: Why clones?
Padme: We're gonna see her in a sec.
Luke: Let's not "ruin" the iconic shot from ANH.
"Also, do you guys think I should pull that short clip of the skiff flying away from Mustafar (the unused one). I tried extending it but it got all weird and blurry... I kinda like that shot..."
Yes, I would cut it. But if you feel it should stay, you should at least flip the shot for screen directions sake.
Gotta go!
Again, great stuff! Please continue!
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As I said in a few posts back, I'm trying to create a similar conversation to what was in the original scene..
And in the scene, Yoda becomes Qui-Gon's apprentice. In this way, I say it without having to go through the whole explanitory process... and it just is stated as "my apprentice"... if I could find him saying "new" I might insert that.
I kinda want to re-watch episode I and III and see if there isn't any more dialogue that I could insert for Yoda. I think I got most of what Qui-Gon has said... your idea of using Yoda's Line "How can this be?" would be a good idea... but I don't recall it lol... where in Episode II is it?
I guess my whole thing with the clones was maybe to Show Yoda's distrust that he was the chosen one... to bring balance to the force... The Clones represent the opposite... that things went out of whack... and that Sidious gained power instead of losing it.
As for "ruining" an iconic moment from the PT, I kinda take offense to that lol... I mean... I kinda liked it after I saw it... ... but maybe I'll put it as I'd had it before...
I'll play with the edit more...
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-Oops! I'll go take a look over at T-bones site!
"I kinda want to re-watch episode I and III and see if there isn't any more dialogue that I could insert for Yoda. I think I got most of what Qui-Gon has said... your idea of using Yoda's Line "How can this be?" would be a good idea... but I don't recall it lol... where in Episode II is it?"
-It's the scene where Yoda's teaching the younglings.
"I guess my whole thing with the clones was maybe to Show Yoda's distrust that he was the chosen one... to bring balance to the force... The Clones represent the opposite... that things went out of whack... and that Sidious gained power instead of losing it."
-Hmmm...the idea is nice...I must admit that it didn't occur to me when watching it. But I also know you're not done with it.
"As for "ruining" an iconic moment from the PT, I kinda take offense to that lol... I mean... I kinda liked it after I saw it... ... but maybe I'll put it as I'd had it before..."
-I'm sorry, Good Musician. Please don't take offense. "Ruining" does sound harsh. I just meant it is a very iconic shot from ANH. I personlly thought it was overkill when Lucas reused it in ROTS. Ya know, Lucas trying all that he could to tug on our heart stings. I did, however, like the mirror image he created in AOTC.
But, again, that's just my one and only opinion. Thanks for reading.
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About Anakin dying in the lava waterfall, I think this is a good solution continuity-wise, and removes a lot of awkward moments later in the duel. But because of a few drawbacks, it just doesn't work for me:
- emotional impact: without any discussion between Anakin and Obi-Wan, the scene feels a little empty. Anakin is the main character of the PT (like it or not), and we deserve a little emotional payoff for his supposed death. Losing him over the falls feels abrupt.
- that pesky lightsaber: yes, this bothers me. Since a big deal is made out of the scene in ANH where Luke gets his father's saber, we should at least see how Obi Wan gets it. At least the immolation scene gives us that.
For my imaginary own edit of ROTS, here's what I would do:
The duel goes pretty much as normal (editing out the outrageous parts, of course, like GoodMusician did) until Anakin catches on fire. Obi Wan looks away as Anakin burns. He then turns around and picks up Anakin's saber. He then ignites the saber (hello rotoscoping) and looks like he will take a step toward Anakin, as if to finish him off. Just then, the sound of the Emperor's shuttle is heard, as its shadow flies across the ground. Obi Wan then turns off the saber and walks off. We then see the trailer shot of Padme's ship flying toward the camera, and this is followed by a shot (hello Adywan
) of the ship going into hyperspace. Then Obi Wan talks to Padme, and walks toward the cockpit. The scene where the emperor comes to get Anakin can go here. Then we cut back to the ship, where Obi Wan sits in the cockpit with 3PO, with a rotoscoped hyperspace field in the window. You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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All you would have to do to achieve this to cut the scene of Yoda meditating, and Bail informing him Obi-Wan is arriving.
And later on the Tantive 4, after Bail stands up in the conference room on the Tantive 4 and Yoda says "and now into hiding we must go" cut to Bail walking up to Antilles to give the droids to him.
There is no need to explain anything about the force ghost or mention Qui-gon. It dumbs down the Force for the audience, and makes it less mysterious. Let the audience draw their own conclusion as to why Jedi can come back as force ghosts.
This would remove the need to insert and mix dialogue from other films that does not sound good and stands out very badly.
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It doesn't explain it at all, just that there is more to know. The conversation I'm adding doesn't explain that much... it simply hints to the reality that Qui-Gon is back and there is more to know... and you're right that it does seem to slow down the action of the film, but In a way it feels kinda nice to have a little exposition and be able to place Qui-Gon in the film.
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Well, I suppose the problem started with Qui-Gon.
The question becomes "Why doesn't Qui-Gon come back in the same way that the Obi does in ESB and ROTJ?"
In fact, why doesn't ANY Jedi show up later in ANY of the films?
"There is no need to explain anything about the force ghost or mention Qui-gon. It dumbs down the Force for the audience, and makes it less mysterious."
I guess I disagree here. Midichlorians dumbed the force down. Returning in qhost form is interesting.
"Let the audience draw their own conclusion as to why Jedi can come back as force ghosts."
But that's the problem. Out of hundreds of Jedi we see in the saga, only 3 return? The questions is "why?"
I personally think that is something that needs to be explained.
"This would remove the need to insert and mix dialogue from other films that does not sound good and stands out very badly."
Ouch. The clip Good Musician posted was (he said so in the same post) raw and unfinshed.
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Just wanted to comment on the great work being done here. It inspired me to end my lurking and return to posting. Anyway, this is a rough edit of the end duels of Episode III. I did it a while back, but only now posted it online. I don't know how to compress video for YouTube uploads, so I had to break this into 3 parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYTPFkMBSWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFacxLBy9qE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaawXXldGg8
There's been much discussion about Anakin's end in the duel, and I just wanted to share what I'd come up with. I think it works really well, especially with the music carrying it along. Let me know what you think.
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some interesting edits. Was there a method to this? With the edits I'm doing, I'm trying to remove Vader... and Leia... but I wasn't sure where you were going with yours?
The music is a bit loud, but these arn't the final mixes obviously. I wasn't sure I liked all you're choices of music (most from the OT) but that's ok... to each his own. I did see, however, where you were going with this... and what you were trying to say and show through the music... and I liked the idea, especially, of the Emperors theme Playing while Yoda and Palp. battle... makes so much more sense than Vader's theme... especially seeing as, in most of our edits, we remove it totally from the fight... so I feel dumb having not thought of that myself lol
Interesting ideas heh...
Anyways, I actually have taken a lot of what you all have said into consideration...
I decided that I still want some sort of psychic viewing in Yoda's head. I removed a lot of the juxtaposition between seeing Yoda and seeing his visions.
I played with the visions as, unlike film, they don't work like cameras and don't just cut between shots, they fade in and warp and stuff. I'm gonna see if I don't have any better things I can do to play with the video but these are the videos I have right now. Any recommendations?
Also, I did remove that one shot of the skiff leaving Mustafar. I really like that shot though
I also including music and played with the Yoda/Qui-Gon dialogue so it was more... thought like.
I'm pleased with it. Any thoughts (and by thoughts I don't mean your personal beliefs, but rather recommendations and thoughts on ways to make it better lol... there has seemed to have been some confusion on the idea of the difference between how I can make this better and "why do you think I should do instead" lol...
Anyways, let me all know your thoughts...
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I watched you videos and commented on them on youtube heh...
some interesting edits. Was there a method to this? With the edits I'm doing, I'm trying to remove Vader... and Leia... but I wasn't sure where you were going with yours?
The music is a bit loud, but these arn't the final mixes obviously. I wasn't sure I liked all you're choices of music (most from the OT) but that's ok... to each his own. I did see, however, where you were going with this... and what you were trying to say and show through the music... and I liked the idea, especially, of the Emperors theme Playing while Yoda and Palp. battle... makes so much more sense than Vader's theme... especially seeing as, in most of our edits, we remove it totally from the fight... so I feel dumb having not thought of that myself lol
Interesting ideas heh...
I watched you videos and commented on them on youtube heh...
some interesting edits. Was there a method to this? With the edits I'm doing, I'm trying to remove Vader... and Leia... but I wasn't sure where you were going with yours?
The music is a bit loud, but these arn't the final mixes obviously. I wasn't sure I liked all you're choices of music (most from the OT) but that's ok... to each his own. I did see, however, where you were going with this... and what you were trying to say and show through the music... and I liked the idea, especially, of the Emperors theme Playing while Yoda and Palp. battle... makes so much more sense than Vader's theme... especially seeing as, in most of our edits, we remove it totally from the fight... so I feel dumb having not thought of that myself lol
Interesting ideas heh...
Thanks for the Feedback, GM. As for a "method" I was just trying to improve on a mediocre sequence. I hadn't really intended to conceal Vader or Leia's identity or anything like that. Based on these and your YouTube comments, I see that you "get where I'm coming from" with a lot of the music choices. That's how I try to edit scenes, because music can really tie things together (especially when you're piecing together scenes for fan edits!). Check out the Starkiller Ranch thread for a full breakdown on the whats and whys of my edits.
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One thing I realized is why exactly I love that shot of the Naboo Star Skiff leaving Mustafar... it's because it really helps the scene along. You have that whole sequence with Padme, then you have this long shot of the skiff taking off (really fast compared to how it lands I might add) and flying away...
then this long shot of Obi-Wan sitting in the cockpit...thinking. You need something to break that up.
I toyed around with a few versions. In the one I have here, you'll see that I chose to have the shot of the ship flying away, a backwards shot of a slight pull in to mustafar (making it a slow pull out) then a slight fade shot to Obi-Wan thinking.
I thought of maybe breaking up the long take off shot with the slight pull out... if anyone knows of a quick way to insert a pic of the skiff let me know... I tried finding a good HQ pic of the skiff maybe on a white background ( that I coudl then paint green and separate the image) but I couldn't find anything...
Then I'd finish the shot of it flying away... and by then, I'd have used up some of the time of Obi-Wan thinking... (if I simply leave the audio track alone) which then fixes it all... but I couldn't find a pic of the skiff so I decided on what I have here for now.
One of the things I've been doing is really paying attention to the little moments that the actors create with their expressions. For instance, after Padme asks "Is Anakin alright?," you se a shot of Obi-Wan looking at her... then he almost winces away... realizing what he's done.
I decided to highlight this by adding in a little bit of dialogue of just padme, almost breathlessly saying "Anakin"...then some small breaths.... I have to play with her line a bit. This is a rough edit. I'm trying to find a good take of her saying it... once I do, I'm going to isolate it, rip it from the dvd as a wav (as right now the audio isn't that high in quality) and then edit it... the artifacts you're hearing are because of the slightly lower quality.
I also played with the visions, trying to make them a little bit better on their disolves and such.
Also, If I want the line "You still have much to learn my apprentice" where I put it, I decided I needed to extend the shot of Yoda opening his eyes, so I did that by stretching out that part of the shot and after the line, letting it go back to its original speed.
Let me know what you all think. I'm about to begin work on the actual birth itself... so that's coming up soon... phew...so much to do! lol
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Cool ideas, here, GM. The vision idea is interesting. Two things on the audio end of it: 1) The way you've mixed and reverbed Qui-Gon and Yoda's lines thus far makes it sound more like Yoda is remembering these things. I think a bit of a balance between what ADM did and what you have would probably make it more clear that that's what's going on. (I love that "You doubt the prophecy?" line, although I also like ADM's line selection as well--it would be nice to see both aspects of Yoda's current state addressed by Qui-Gon: guilt, like in ADM's, and doubt, like in yours).
The second thing is: would it be possible to edit Yoda's line to be "A prophecy could have been misread"?
That and "Around the survivors, a perimeter create" are probably the most annoying lines from Yoda. In fact, if it could be done, I think some un-inversion throughout the PT would be good. It just got to be overkill. I'm amazed when I look back at the OT, and how normally Yoda speaks so much of the time.I love your idea for Obi-Wan checking on Padme in the ship!
I did notice an improvement in having Bail's line more prominent here; that's good, in that it's supposed to disrupt Yoda's meditation and vision.
That's about all I have for now. Good work, GM! Keep going!
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jedi_jra: I didn't sequence the Chancellor's dialogue as suggested since the tone of his voice didn't make sense, but the dialogue is all in there.
cbaka: I trimmed the beheading a little further, eliminating Anakin looking to the Chancellor before he kills Dooku.
Also, I'm eager to hear whether or not people like the intensified duel as I eliminated some dialogue and lucked into some good audio.
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Episode III is split into three discernible acts.
Act I: Most reminiscent of Episode I.
This is the more playful, childish act that shows the characters in how they were allowing for a dichotomy against what would become of them and heightening the tragedy that will befall them with the destruction of Obi-Wan and Anakin's friendship.
Act II: Most reminiscent of Episode II.
This shows Anakin and Padme, showing their love for eachother, their lives together, their short lived family life, and the lengths to which Anakin is willing to go to save the one he loves.
Act III: The Climactic ending to Episode III.
This shows the fall of the Jedi, the turning of Anakin, the destruction of a friendship, and the placing of the pieces to be ready for the next film.
The problem I most have with your edit is that in killing Dooku so quickly, and without remorse, it does two things:
Firstly, It stands out, alone, as quite possibly the darkest moment ever. Anakin is neither visibly angry with Dooku, nor does he seem to shaken by what he's done afterwards (only apologetic to the extent which he can be with the Chancellor.)
And secondly, it removes that which becomes a very prevelent theme in this film: Palpatine's Seduction. Perhaps one of the greatest themes in the film, also the underlying theme of the series, is Palpatine's ability to seduce actions out of people. In Palpatine being able to get Anakin to kill Dooku, he proves to himself that not only is Anakin a worthy apprentice in his ability of mastering the force, but also that he has control over Anakin...to the extent that he can make Anakin do something he KNOWS is wrong and he KNOWS he shouldn't have done.
When Anakin tells him all this, Palpatine teaches Anakin the trick that allows all evil people to be evil: compliance. By teaching Anakin how to rationalize what he's just done, he becomes compliant to it and through the rest of the film, learns how to rationalize everything he's done and feel no guilt for it and be able to bold-face LIE to Padme.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with the film edit as it was. Yes there were a few shots that could have been tightened, and it did have a slightly childlike attitude (fully intentional) but it also did what it needed to. If anything is to blame for the sequence being strange it is the performances themselves. Christopher Lee did all his parts in about 20 minutes. The rest was another stand in.
I dunno, I guess I'm curious what you were trying for and what your reasoning is for this heh...
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