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And I have to say I love it!!! If you work it out well, this will be a better version as the movie!!!!!!!
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Obi-wan see's they are close to the waterfall, he jumps off the Pylon just in time, Anakin see's him, he tries to jump as well, but.....oops, he doesn't make it and goes over the fall. Let me know what you all think.
Waterfall Death http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GX9AW4WD
GoodMusician,
Regarding your Duel, I LOVED IT. If yoda and Palpatine must be included (I really wish there was a way to take them out, but I doubt there is), this is the way it needs to be done. The energy is the best I've seen yet and makes the duel feel longer than it actually was. You took what George gave us and really made it flow better than he ever did. You even made the balancing act over the lava work perfectly, primarily as a cut between yoda and palps, The musical score and DOTF fit VERY well and I think it is what actually made the biggest difference. You deserve awesome credit for that.
The ONLY thing I didn't like was the cut back and forth starting at the balancing act, yoda and palpatine lightning battle, back to anakin and obi, then yoda slipping, and back to the duel. This is the part of the duel where I feel the music should be at it's height, and we see the Climax of the duel without the inturruption of the yoda and palps fight. Other small complaint would be the music "Heroes collide" (I think that's what it is) it is when they are battling on the pylon after jumping down from the balancing beam... the "clink clack clink clack" music at marker 3:38 annoys me. It takes all the energy out of the scene.
Here is my re-edit of the sequence I was talking about, I left a short black segment in where I believe my above waterfall death, would fit perfectly. Way to go GoodMusician, with these small, and may I add, VERY SMALL changes, this is the duel I wanted from the beginning (minus yoda and palpatine of course). The death is still up in the air for me, but it would be nice to have both on a lovely DVD in the near future! Thank you.
GoodMusician Altered Duel http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EMG106WZ
Please forgive all burned logos, and rough cuts, I'm still learning these editing programs.
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As far as the jumping back and fourth you mentioned, Jedi_jra, I have fixed that. I decided against cutting around so much and simply let the sequence finish out... mostly because there wasn't a place to put some of the footage. I'm still tempted to cut out Yoda climbing through the tubes and escaping. I've thought about actually completely removing that sequence but it would be near impossible to jump from them struggling with their arms holding each-others arms... and then somehow jump to them fighting. I thought about inserting that punch that Anakin does to Obi-Wan, but then you'd see it twice and I didn't like that.
However, I have taken all you have said and gone back and done this edit of my ideas (not the anakin over the waterfall. I'm still not 100% convinced, but again, i haven't been able to watch most of the videos.)
Anyways, you can download my video here:
Part II version 2
The list of the changes:
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This picks up right were Part I finishes. It includes the dialog between Padme and Anakin and Obi-Wan. I'm tempted to remove the dialog from my video because I'd like to put it on YouTube, but Its over 10 minutes just of the battle so... but it would be left as is in the film... I don't see too much wrong with it.
I'm also tempted to remove some of the battle on the landing area because if you look, there is an error. They start battling and Padme is clearly lying on the ground. There are some close ups, then it's as if they start over and Padme is now missing... they move away to the edge and so fourth... So I'm considering editing some of this to fix this
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01) It cuts early from the battle on the mustafar landing pad to Yoda and Palpatine still battling in the Senate Chambers.
02) After Palpatine strugles it cuts to Mustafar again
03) As they move into the main Separatist War Room, I cut from them entering the room, to the sequence of them fighting in the middle of the room.
04) I replace the shot of them destroying the console with the same from a different angle used earlier when they first enter the room.
05) It cuts early from Mustafar to Coruscant after Obi-Wan gets kicked in the face
06) I cut from Yoda falling on one of the senate pods, to Palpatine pulling another one out to hurl at him.
07) It quick cuts back to Yoda looking up.
08) Then back to Palpatine who throws the pod. Yoda stopping the pod is the same, the close up of his face is the same.
09) I remove the shot of Palpatine laughing and wiping his face and instead stay on Yoda, cutting to a slightly further out shot of yoda spinning the pod.
(In an ironic twist of fate, when I made my complete score, I had a choirless Duel of the Fates, but in Episode III, they recorded new vocals and in order to capture/use the vocals, i had to layer the choirless instrumental with the DVD rip. IN doing so, I introduced slight SFX that you don't really notice on the album, but since I used them here to re-sync the music, they actually add to the scene and sound natural this way rather than being pure music)
10) It cuts from Palpatine looking around for Yoda to the Mustafar high-wire battle. This has DOTF layered over the SFX only rip from the starwars.com mashups.
11) As Obi-Wan leaps down away from Anakin, it cuts back to Coruscant and Yoda leaps up to the pod to battle Palpatine.
12) I change the sequence of the shots of Yoda Falling and also shorten the overall length. I cut from Yoda on the ground to his cape falling.
13) I then cut to Palpatine dangling in the air.
14) Then to Yoda looking up at the coat
15) We jump back now to Mustafar. Since Obi-Wan jumping down onto the arm is where we left off, the rest of the "Heroes Collide" sequence is really short. I lengthen this by taking some from before the arm has the large lava explosion.
I take a few of the shots in sequence and put them here, layering the SFX only from starwars.com mashups with the cue "Heroes Collide."
16) The cut back into the true heroes collide sequence starts when Anakin hits Obi-Wan
17) I extend this by looping and flipping an early angle of the two struggling (I may need to shorten the beginning of this a bit).
18) I cut to an exterior shot of the Senate Chambers at night from Episode II, with new raw Coruscant audio of speeders flying from a deleted scene from Episode III, with the correct Episode III music layered underneath to lead into--
19) Cut to interior senate chamber of the troops reporting they cannot find Yoda's body.
20) I cut out Palpatines line that "Vader is in Danger," and cut directly to him looking off in the distance.
21) Cut to Yoda crawling in the tube. I shorten this by only having him say "Hurry."
22) Cut to Senator Organa in his speeder saying his line.
23) Cut to yoda getting to the junction from which he can escape. This plays out as it does in the film.
24) Cut back to mustafar. Mustafar exterior shot from earlier in the film when we see it for the first time as the separatists speak to sidious.
Raw Mustafar SFX replace the film ones with correct music playing underneath.
25) Cut to a few unused shots of them fighting from the "Heroes Collide" sequence, with raw SFX underneath from the mashups.
26) Cut to the two fighting and getting their sabers pushed onto the arm from the Volcano Explosion sequence. (Correct music layered over it.)
27) Cut to a shot of a volcanic eruption normally used in a few moments with raw SFX from the trailer, music layered over it
28) Cut to the lava falling onto the arm and the two running for Cover.
--normal placement of eruption
29) Cut to the long shot of the arm breaking free. The next few shots remain the same until
30) Cut to a shot from latter of the arm floating in the river with the music resynced to fit the transition.
31) Removal of a few seconds of Obi-Wan looking on as the arm falls over the cliff (music resynced)
32) Removal of a few seconds of Anakin standing on the droid as it freaks out confused. (Music resynced)
33) Removal of a few seconds of dead air time to cut to Obi-wan's line "I have Failed you."
34) Removal of a few seconds and a bit of dialogue from Anakin so he just says "The Jedi Are Evil" instead of "From my point of view the Jedi are evil" because it's OBVIOUSLY his point of view.
35) Removal of a few seconds to get to anakins line "This is the end for you my master"
36) I cut the shot (a few seconds) between Obi-Wan's line "I have the high ground," and Anakin's line "You underestimate my power."
37) I cut the shot between of Obi-wan flinching between the shots of Anakin Jumping and Anakin flying, right before Obi-wan cuts anakin down.
38) I restructure this sequence. The first cut adds a shot of Anakin looking up to Obi-Wan and then back to Obi-Wan as he says "You were my brother anakin. I loved you." (The music has been resynced)
39) This cuts to Anakin saying "I hate you." (The music has been resynced)
40) This cuts to Obi-Wan walking away, and picking up the lightsaber and turning back around.
41) This then cuts to Anakin catching on fire as obi-wan watches. (The music has been resynced)
End of Part II
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I just watched your edit, Marvolo, and I'm liking the idea better. There's not much changed but enough that the continuity is there...the problem is finding the correct climax musically and stylistically. I like that you kept the erruption at the end and then cut to him leaving. I liked that idea and when I did it on my video, I thought it was cool myself hehe...
Anyways, I'm going to have a go at it, using your idea as a framework.
Is it not sad that in this time, we are more surprised by acts of love than acts of hate?
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we can "assume" he left the lightsaber with Padme, "assuming" he wanted his child to have it, when he was old enough... yeah I know
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The anakin/"waterfall" has potential...so here is my very very rough version of it.
I quickly grabbed Battle of the Heros and placed it on top so there is at least *something* to listen too!
AnakinFalls_SSWR
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Part of the problem I guess is that Lucas rigged it all up at the end as though the next film kicks of straight away and not 17 odd years later, Making sure everyone winds up where they will later be.
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I liked the way you had done it the first time, more so than the second version, the only thing I didn't like about the first one was breaking up the fight with Obiwan and Anakin on the pylon with the Yoda Slippage. I like it even less with the cut to the senate, it REALLY kills the excitement and build-up. I know there is a cut there where you feel the need to place something, check out my cut of your duel for a way past it. I believe this should be the climax of the saber fight, and to inturrupt it feels wrong, IMHO.
SSWR,
Very nice, I felt bad leaving Obi-wan floating in the middle of the lava, I like how you incorporated the backflip onto the land. I liked it so much I incorporated into my Lava Death Version 2, I've also borrowed your music clip, It fit my edit extremely well, thanks. Please check out my LavaFall Death, V2 and let me know what you think, the music couldn't fit more perfectly!
LavaFall Death V2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8PFZ0991
(I will replace with consistant quality footage, once I have it completed! let me know what you all think!
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Final Duel and LavaFall Death, 106 MB http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IUVGFB0L
What I like about this, is Obi-Wan's face says it all, with three different poses and faces. He expects Anakin to be right behind him after he jumps, surprised and scared when he realizes he isn't and he sees the pylon going over the edge, and then when Anakin doesn't make it, you can almost see him crying and saying, "oh anakin. How could you have allowed it to come to this"
"He betrayed and murdered your Father" Vader inside of Anakin allowed Anakin to murder/destory himself, so it's true, from a certain point of view. Obi-wan doesn't kill him, and therefore he doesn't lie to Luke.
(Disclaimer: I don't have a preference between this ending and the original limbs getting cut off, this was just really fun to try and make work. Still doesn't explain the Lightsaber, unless 1) Obi lied about it in the first place to get Luke off that Rock, possible 2) He gave an extra lightsaber to Padme, not likely 3) someone can rotoscope Anakin's saber to Red, and earlier in the movie Anakin gave his saber to Padme for his unborn child, most likely, but more work involved)
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Personally I prefer Anakin going over the waterfall but yes the issue of the lightsabre is a stickler. You know, it might be possible to still have a trimmed down version of the river bank scene with Obi-Wan and Anakin after the bridge goes over and perhaps cut around the Yoda fight. But anyway, at least the seed is planted and anyone/everyone can have a play around with the idea.
Cheers.
Dantha.
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what is before we cut to Obi-Wan traveling to the ship... we cut back to coruscant, and then when we come back... try to edit some of the shots and make it look like Obi-Wan went to the base of the lava-fall to look for anakin, and finds the lightsaber...and then walks away with it...?
You could incorporate the shot of the base of the lava-fall, then the shot of the bugs walking along the bank... and then show Obi-Wan standing near the lava's edge, picking up the lightsaber, looking out, and walking away?
Maybe incorporate some of the Lament music (Immolation) and then also incorporate some of the shots of Palpatine's arrival...
So then it cuts to him walking to Padme's ship... more time has elapsed... and it really would help change the pace of the film.. not to mention solve the lightsaber problem.
EDIT
So I've finished part II and part III. I decided, becuase of youtube's time requirements, to separate the talking from the beinning of this and make that part II and the fighting part III.
Interestingly enough, I found a few things worth editing from the conversation and it works really well, you almost don't notice the changes.
You can download it here:
Part II version 4
You can view it on youtube here:
Part II version 4 On Youtube
List of changes from Part II
(This picks up directly where the last one left off)
01) The reaction that Anakin gives when Padme says that Obi-Wan wants to help them after telling him that "He knows" is best described as... sheepish and girly. Watching it, I couldn't help but wonder what the fuck Haydn was thinking and why it was left in there lol...
It's such a strange reaction "He wants to help you." Anakin smiles almost like he's just been told Obi-Wan loves him lol... and his head kinda bobs, he looks down, then his eyes look back up... it's just a HORRIBLE reaction. So I replace it with a shot from earlier of him simply looking down. I also shorten the amount of time on the shot.
02) I remove the extended close up of Padme lying lifeless on the ground and instead cut from Obi-Wan glancing down at her body to the shot of Anakin saying his line "You turned her against me!"
03) I remove Anakin saying "If you're not with me-" and simply leave "Then you're my enemy.
04) I remove the ironic line "Only a sith deals in absolutes" and leave "I will do what I must."
End of Part II
Part III, I had a bit of trouble with. I'm still tweaking bits and pieces so let me know what you all think.
You can download it here:
Part III version 1
You can view it on YouTube here:
(Not yet)
Changes made to Part III
(This jumps in right where part II leaves off)
01) I remove some of the redundant and faulty shots of Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting showing Padme' not where she is.
02) Cut to Yoda and Palpatine fighting
03) Cut back to Obi-Wan and anakin fighting on mustafar after Sidious snarl
04) I changed where this cut to the fighting in the middle of the room sequence begins so the musical change isn't so quick.
05) I replace the shot of them destroying the console
06) I cut from right after Obi-Wan gets kicked in the face to Yoda jumping down to fight sidious
07) I cut early from when yoda falls on a senator pod.
08) Cut to Sidious pulling a pod from the housing
09) Cut to the second half of the yoda shot showing yoda looking up at the pod
10) Cut to the pod being thrown and yoda stopping it
11) I remove the show of sidious laughing this goes to sidious jumping and looking around for yoda
12) CUt to Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting on the balancing part with the raw sfx from the mixups on starwars.com, and the DOTF from my complete score. Cut early as Obi-Wan jumps down
13) Cut to Yoda jumping up to fightin Sidious.
14) I decided to move Yoda falling back to the original placement.
I change the order of the shots though, showing Yoda's coat falling.
15) Cut to Palpatine dangling and laughing
16) Cut to Yoda looking up at the coat
17) Cut back to mustafar with some of the footage from the volcano explosion sequence to add more to this. (Heroes Collide music layered with raw sfx from mashups)
18) CUt to Anakin hitting obi-wan and the rest of the "Heroes Collide" sequence finishes.
19) I repeat a shot of Obi-wan and anakin struggling (but flipped) with just sfx playing
20) Cut to an exterior Senate chambers shot from Episode II with sfx from a deleted scene in Episode III the apropriate music playing to go into
21) Interior shot of Palpatine being told that yoda is mising.
22) Cut some of Palps lines to show him looking off in the distance.
23) Cut to Yoda crawling and only saying "Hurry"
24) Bail saying his lines
25) cut to yoda opening the hatch and jumping into Bails ship.
26) Cut to an exterior shot of mustfar from when the planet is first shown with the apropo music playing and sfx layared.
27) cut to Obi-Wan and anakin fighting and their lightsabers being forced down onto the arm
28) cut to a shot of the volcano erupting.
29) Cut to the shot of the lava flowing ontop of the arm.
30) splice the two shots of the arm failing together (because of the removal of the volcano shot)
31) movement of the two sequences together of the arm floating in the lava. The music is also fixed for this.
32) Shortening of a shot of Obi-Wan watching the arm go over the falls.
33) Shortening of a shot of the droid that Anakin lands on being confused.
34) cutting earlier to Obi-Wans line saying "I have failed you."
35) Cutting early to Anakins line "The Jedi are Evil"
37) Cutting early to Anakin's line "This is the end for you my master."
38) Removal of a shot of anakin floating and cutting early to his line "You underestimate my power."
39) removal of a shot of Obi-Wan reacting to Anakin's jump.
40) adding a shot of Anakin looking up at OBi-Wan
41) Cut to Obi-Wan saying "You were my brother Anakin."
42) Cut to Anakin saying "I hate you."
43) Cut to Obi-Wan walking away and picking up the lightsaber.
44) CUt to Anakin catching on Fire
ENd of Part III... there was a small error I have to fix... but I got the fight to just under 10 minutes...not bad... I cut out something like...5 minutes if I remember right...
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Originally posted by: GoodMusician
I was thinking...
what is before we cut to Obi-Wan traveling to the ship... we cut back to coruscant, and then when we come back... try to edit some of the shots and make it look like Obi-Wan went to the base of the lava-fall to look for anakin, and finds the lightsaber...and then walks away with it...?
You could incorporate the shot of the base of the lava-fall, then the shot of the bugs walking along the bank... and then show Obi-Wan standing near the lava's edge, picking up the lightsaber, looking out, and walking away?
Maybe incorporate some of the Lament music (Immolation) and then also incorporate some of the shots of Palpatine's arrival...
So then it cuts to him walking to Padme's ship... more time has elapsed... and it really would help change the pace of the film.. not to mention solve the lightsaber problem.
I was thinking...
what is before we cut to Obi-Wan traveling to the ship... we cut back to coruscant, and then when we come back... try to edit some of the shots and make it look like Obi-Wan went to the base of the lava-fall to look for anakin, and finds the lightsaber...and then walks away with it...?
You could incorporate the shot of the base of the lava-fall, then the shot of the bugs walking along the bank... and then show Obi-Wan standing near the lava's edge, picking up the lightsaber, looking out, and walking away?
Maybe incorporate some of the Lament music (Immolation) and then also incorporate some of the shots of Palpatine's arrival...
So then it cuts to him walking to Padme's ship... more time has elapsed... and it really would help change the pace of the film.. not to mention solve the lightsaber problem.
Yes that could work nicely.
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jedi_jra,
I'm glad you were able to make use of my edit...and the music...
I'm still wondering if there is enough footage to really make this thing work...
Oh! Just had a thought: It would be nice to maybe have Obi yelling "Anakin!" (from the line: Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil!) as if he's trying to tell him to hurry or something.
Maybe we only hear "Ana-" and then you start to hear the big falling arm off screen.
The shot would have to be flipped (screen direction, you know) but you wouldn't be able to tell...
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If it's possible to give the impression that obi was was scouring around and found only the saber, I say go for it. and having Obi wan yell out as Ani goes over the fall could be quite good if it works. That way it all still kinda works in context with a new hope. Obviously Obi Wan had to think Vader was dead or dying when he fled Mustafar. To have that NOT by by Obi Wans hand is a better way to go in my opinion.
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My idea is this:
Idea
What do you all think?
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I hope you can firgure something out with the lightsaber sound fx...
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Maybe you have got one of the Jedi Knight games. I take some of the sound effects for my edits from these games. The sound effects can be found in the assets.pk3 files.
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Again, it's very very rough...in fact, the second half with Obi picking up the saber is extremely rough. There needs to be a few more shots incorperated into it. I wish there were some shots of the lava bank without Anakin smoldering. That would be ideal.
Then, you could make it seem as though Obi came down to the bank to see if he could find Anakin, but all he found was his saber.
That is what I'm trying to get across in this edit......
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Why not. Here's my take using SSWR's idea: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2MUPBDUH
Turn the volume down, I looped the audio and it sounds terrible, Threepio shows up as Anakin is going over the falls...kind of kills the excitement.
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One of the things I did do though with the transition was I found a portion of Battle of the Heroes where the choir sings the melody line... I layered it under the first statement as thay battle (I had to shorten it and such to match up musically) but in doing so, it gives a sort of... better continuation with the choir singing so it's not just jumping straight into a choir like it was before. I hope you all like it.
I also played with the transition of them in the Mustafar War Room. Before the musical change was too blatant. Here it seems much more natural.
This,I believe, will be my final edit of this sequence. I'd like to move on to the next sequence lol...
You can download it here:
Part III (Final)
I had to re-save it because the file size was too big, but I'm going to upload it to YouTube now.. it'll take a little while but I'll put the link up when that happens.
I'd still like to get some raw SFX however, even though I don't think I'll be needing them for this part anymore, but It would still be nice to have.
EDIT:
I had to resave it but here it is on youtube:
Part III on YouTube
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Did you give any thought to moving the senate scene until after the Obi-wan and Anikan duel as opposed to breaking up the duel on the pylon?
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I'd be tempted to remove the entire thing completely, which would do what you are saying, and keep it from interrupting what I'm saying, but I think there needs to be some mention of what happens...
I had put some thought into it, and as much as I like the edit you did, cutting to the explosion, then back to them running for cover...it works well... I'm just not entirely sure if I'd want that because then it would push the cut back to latter...and as I said, it's not something I really want to do.
I dunno... I guess if I could come up with a compromise I liked, I'd do it.
I can see how it would be both ways... and as much as I like your way... I'm kinda want it to be this way... I might try editing it the way you are saying just to give the option...
Let me know what you all think (sorry it took a while to upload. It's ready now)
Is it not sad that in this time, we are more surprised by acts of love than acts of hate?
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