Thanks wookiegroomer, I mostly bought these because they were inkjet printable and I wanted to create a cool cover for them, I didn't know I would run into so many problems, yeah I was using UDF as it is the only way to burn files bigger than 2GB I think, I have the latest version of Nero, I guess it is the media, I will look for Verbatim since you are not the first one that recommends them, I guess that says alot. Again thank for your help and for the releases, you rock.