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Originally posted by: ESHBG
Originally posted by: Sluggo
It takes time and careful calculations to figure how best to screw over the fan base.

LOL

Here's my take on it all in another thread:

On a related note, I noticed that the prices on HD-DVD players have really dropped. With The Matrix trilogy now on the format, I'm sure LFL won't be too far behind. Since Fox is with Blu-ray (correct?) imagine how big of a push that format would get if the SW movies were released on it! Knowing Lucas, he's not going to let this opportunity slide...


Yeah, it's a foregone conclusion that Lucas will release the films in HD, but not the OOT.

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Originally posted by: pittrek
Guys, remember we still have christmas before us, so I hope the boxset WILL be released - for the x-mas market. But also on the other side, if it won't include at least a "STANDARD" transfer of all 6 theatrical movies and / or deleted scenes to all movies, I see no reason for buing it

Yeah looking back over the years, Lucas never let the Christmas season go to waste. He has a habit of releasing stuff in Sept. it seems, so we'll see in about 4 months I guess...

And like someone else said, if there isn't going to be a cleaned up OOT, then I'd rather there be no boxed-set at all and I won't be broken up if one doesn't come out this year (or ever).

But I still have this sneaking suspicion that it is all about the next format...
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The problem with a release now is that it is usually announced by Lucas at this time of the year or earlier. The 2004 OT was announced in Feb 04 for a Sept Release, and the 2006 GOUT was announced in May for a Sept. Release. I know they like to give the distributors atleast 3 months beforehand for any major release for advertising, inventory, etc. I think nothing will happen this year, and I believe www.thedigitalbits.com that Lucas fears the market got flooded and that is why they are stepping back for a year or so and not releasing anything, although the real reason it didn't sell well last year cause it was crap quality.

I will say that the masses, or the casual fan will probably not buy an boxset in the future, cause most people unless they are diehards just don't like to double dip. The only fans that will be buying the Saga boxset will be OOT fans like us if it is remastered, and Saga fans who just eat up anything Lucas puts out. Now those are two pretty big fanbases, but I think Lucas knows the best selling DVD was always going to be the first one released, and I think he knows he is catering to the diehards now, and there isn't as much money in it as when you are selling to the masses.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
These forums were created out of discontent with LFL. It comes with the territory.

TFN has plenty of positive things to say about Lucas, if you're looking for some.
Yeh sunday256, it's entirely your choice to which broken record you prefer to listen to - praise or condemnation. Repeated complaints about either of those are dangerously close to qualifying themselves as sounding like a broken record. record. record. ...etc.
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Exactly. TFN is on one extreme, and it would seem over here it's the other extreme. I'm sitting somewhere in between.

Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
These forums were created out of discontent with LFL. It comes with the territory.

TFN has plenty of positive things to say about Lucas, if you're looking for some.
Yeh sunday256, it's entirely your choice to which broken record you prefer to listen to - praise or condemnation. Repeated complaints about either of those are dangerously close to qualifying themselves as sounding like a broken record. record. record. ...etc.


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Originally posted by: sunday256
Exactly. TFN is on one extreme, and it would seem over here it's the other extreme. I'm sitting somewhere in between.



I hear where you are coming from and I honestly believe most fans sit in the middle when it comes to the PT, they kinda like them, but don't love them nearly as much as the OT movies. The difference between TFN and OT.com is our name plainly states the point of the site, we love the OOT, and most people who despise the SE, probably despised the PT too. TFN are a bunch of posers cause they say they include everyone, but have banned most of the bashers, and now it is a bunch of Lucas-lackeys who see all 6 movies as the greatest thing in the world. Atleast we here are honest about our bias!

I think you should try www.outerrimsieges.com. I post there frequently cause they have a good mixture of bashers/gushers, but the gushers are pretty honest about their views, as they will say they love the movies but will admit that Jar Jar and the AOTC romance pretty much suck. Most of the PT gushers there think ANH/ESB are the best of the 6, but they enjoy all 6 movies, and they are pretty cool compared to TFN where you have to see the saga equally or they get the pitbulls on you.
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The harping here is repetitive and unfortunate, but it really is a must. Nothing gets done in home video without constant demand. It was the only reason the originals came out at all, and the only reason they made a completely new version of Superman 2. For example, 10 years in, there still isn't a proper dvd of a movie I love called Taking of Pelham 123. Why? cause nobody's asking for it!
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They are coming..


No they are not, if you rtalking about a good copy of the OOT. Lucas desire outweighs all demand
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
They are coming..


No they are not, if you rtalking about a good copy of the OOT. Lucas desire outweighs all demand


 

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Originally posted by: DGC General X
YES THEY ARE. WRITE LETTERS TO LUCASFILM

lol

I love everybody. Lets all smoke some reefer and chill. Hug and kisses for everybody.

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In this day and age? No one write a letter anymore unless it is an email. And, who knows if Lucasfilm will just ignore these letters and send them back? No, Lucas and Lucasfilm have trenched their feet in stone and refused to let the OOT be released ever agin to normal standards. It is his very goal to erase film history and make a propagandist version of the SW saga. Lucas considers the PT to be so superior to the OT that he gives just one film from the PT more or equal treatment to the entire OT, and the OT is now changed endlessly to conform to the BS found in the PT. If Lucas had done the PT right he would not continue the change the OT every few years and there would be an additional three films we would love. But he didn't. The only thing we can do now is how to cope with a dead dream and film history that has been erased forever. Bravo, Lucas.

(PS If we sound like a broken record, that's your perogative. We need to keep these comments alive to prove and solidify our points.)
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If your dream is dead you are the one who let it die.Shit I grew up watching these movies on crackly betamax and VHS tapes recorded from the TV so any version of the OOT I watch now is still better than that.What the hell does it really matter as long as you can still watch the films the way they were and you can-be it on VHS or the GOUT or through the sterling work of the many very talented people found here.Dont like the prequels?Damn man you have a choice not to watch them.I mean I can watch Star Wars and leave it there and be happy the Death Star explodes and get goosebumps at the award ceremony or when Luke finds the homestead burning and treat it as one film.I can watch the OOT and enjoy a great trilogy with some awesome and unforgettable cinematic moments.And while inferior in most ways there are things I like about the prequels and the six-movie story and I can enjoy that too.Nothing will ever take my enthusiasm for Star Wars away and it will never,ever die.That being said the films must always be open to criticism,all of them,or else they wil never stand the test of time as nothing blindly accepted is eventually worthwhile which is also why i am a member here and not one of the fawning tools at TFN.
However the whining and bitching can get a little old sometimes............

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Keep thet comments alive and solidify your points to the same people who have no control over what happens? You're preaching to the wrong choir if you think repeating the over and over in these forums is going to do any good.

(PS If we sound like a broken record, that's your perogative. We need to keep these comments alive to prove and solidify our points.)


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sunday256, sorry for being arrogant about that comment.

And you are right, Bigdaddyvader. I do not accept that PT as canon and I have decided that. My problem is that I am not willing let the dream die, but it's Lucas who overrides all our dreams, honest to god.
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Fuck yes, the complaining is old. So, don't read it. I hear there's a whole internet out there. What exactly IS the right thing to do anyway? A sit-in at The Ranch? If you happen to prefer the original versions, and spent hard earned money on a modern TV, I only see these choices: 1. Complain here and maybe Home Theater Forum 2. Force yourself to prefer the new version 3. Don't watch any version, get into Star Trek. 4. Watch the 06 dvds and pretend you don't notice what they look like.
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Originally posted by: bigbaddaddyvader
If your dream is dead you are the one who let it die.Shit I grew up watching these movies on crackly betamax and VHS tapes recorded from the TV so any version of the OOT I watch now is still better than that.What the hell does it really matter as long as you can still watch the films the way they were and you can-be it on VHS or the GOUT or through the sterling work of the many very talented people found here.


Bigbadaddyvader, I do agree with ya that the OOT movies in any form is enjoyable, but the problem is that home video, or home DVD now is an envolving process and it is very tough to watch something on a dated format.

I have a HighDefinition Widescreen TV, and EVERY DVD I watch now is anamorphically enhanced, as I laugh at the quality of the early DVDs that were taken from a laserdisk master. Can I still enjoy the movies in non-anamorphic? Of course so cause the movie is still #1, but you can't turn your head to bad quality.

I mean why were DVD players invented? Why were Big Screen TV's invented? Why were HD-DVD Players invented? Heck, why were TV's colorized in the late 60's from black and white? Would you want to watch an episode of Seinfeld in Black and White? Sure it would be just as funny, but EVERY TV show these days is in color, why would someone want to go backwards?

If you are happy with VHS or Laserdisk quality, I will give you your props, but I bought a DVD player in 1998 for one huge reason: SW in DVD quality! When I buy an HD-DVD player in a couple of years, and let me tell you I have seen it over friends houses, the picture quality is incredible in 1080i, I will want it for one reason: SW in HD!

I think Lucas has won as I have pretty much conceded this OOT will never be remastered and I will be stuck with shitty laserdisk quality for years on end. I mean does anyone hear really want to watch some crappy laserdisk masters of our favorite movies in 2015 while HD-DVD is swallowing the market share, and now we are 2 home video generations off from what is current?

As I said, if the GOUT works for you, thats great, but I can't remember the last time I sat down and watched my old 13" TV I had in high school and popped in the VHS SW version when I have a 52" Widescreen TV sitting there in the other room that could put out great quality of the OOT if it were done right. A matter of fact, why don't I throw away my remote control to my TV tonight, and just get up and change every channel like I did in the early 80's.



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Well, can you explain why they decided to do laserdisc quality on a DVD in 2006? It's an absolute mystery; and that's why we are so dissapointed with the news that the 30th anniversary boxset is crushing because we built it up as an end-all-be-all release to reconcile the GOUT. Too bad the GOUT is going to be the last release of the OOT forever, so just wait until they invent the 64:27 television, then the GOUT will make you pine for seeing it on the 52" screen. Lucas put us into this insane situation and we just have to accept the GOUT as the best as were going to get, unless the mythical x0 project comes out.

You know, I fucking wished I died in 1996
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There are certainly a lot more reasons to live other than Star Wars you know, and lot of other great movies to get into. I know you're being sarcastic, but that's still a bit dramatic of a statement.

You know, I fucking wished I died in 1996


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Well, I have bigdaddyvader cheering me up, and then CO telling me we are in SW hell, so I got frustrated. How bad does the GOUT look on a 52" TV, and how much did this TV cost CO?
(screenshots would help)
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Dont get me wrong guys I do share your frustration at the lack of a remastered DVD release-one of the reasons I found this place.I just cant share the downbeat attitude that seems to be so pervasive around the fanbase these days.Personally I will always try to focus on the positives that SW has given me down the years and see the best in all the films as I want to pass that enthusiasm and love for Star Wars onto my boys untainted.My sons will never live in world where the SE's and updated versions dont exist but I will always let them know and see the versions that I fell in love with.They are still there one way or the other so viva SW.
And we only have a 28" TV so it may not bother me as much as some!

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I bought a HDTV in 2005 for about $1,200 dollars. It is an RCA 52" Widescreen. You can get a 50" HDTV at Bestbuy in the range of $1,000-$2,000 depending on if you want DLP & LCD or just a picture tube that I have which it much thicker in the back and takes up more room. Now if you want a Plasma, they are nice as hell, but very expensive, as you can hang them on your wall.

If I didn't have an HDTV I probably wouldn't have a problem with the GOUT, cause it is not that noticeble on a 4 x 3 TV, but on an HDTV you have to zoom the picture to get whats called a fake anamorphic picture so you don't have black bars on all 4 sides. But what happens is you are losing more resolution everytime you zoom so it makes any defects in the picture quality worse! By watching just 5 minutes of the GOUT you can see grain on almost every frame especially the Hoth & Tatooine parts, and the colors are very dull too compared to the SE cause the picture has been untouched for 13 years. The other problem is the movie has that blurry feel to it because you are zooming the picture so you don't get that crisp image.

Now don't get me wrong there are parts of the movies that are pretty good quality, but they are so inconsistent cause they just didn't go back and clean the film frame to frame like the SE. Are they are unbearable? Not at all, as I have watched them many times. Are they are inferior compared to the SE quality, YES!!!! And that is the problem for anyone who watches great quality movies on an HDTV, you pop in the GOUT and the quality sticks out, where as on a 27" 4 x 3 TV, it is harder to notice any quality issues so it is more of a level playing field.

I don't want to ruin anyones love for SW, but I honestly wish I never bought an HDTV and never saw the SE quality on them, cause if I still had my 36" 4 x 3 TV, I think I would be able to enjoy the GOUT more, and probably would resist even jumping in the HD-DVD market for many years in fear that the SE would only be released in BlueRay. But that gets to my whole point, I have to resist great technology to enjoy the inferior quality of the OOT. That makes me sad.
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
They are coming..


No they are not, if you rtalking about a good copy of the OOT. Lucas desire outweighs all demand


I'm just staying positive unlike a lot of you.

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Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: ESHBG
Originally posted by: Sluggo
It takes time and careful calculations to figure how best to screw over the fan base.

LOL

Here's my take on it all in another thread:

On a related note, I noticed that the prices on HD-DVD players have really dropped. With The Matrix trilogy now on the format, I'm sure LFL won't be too far behind. Since Fox is with Blu-ray (correct?) imagine how big of a push that format would get if the SW movies were released on it! Knowing Lucas, he's not going to let this opportunity slide...


Yeah, it's a foregone conclusion that Lucas will release the films in HD, but not the OOT.

And the problem is that Lucas knows that if he releases the OOT and Theatrical Cuts of the PT the "boxset" would sell twice as much, but he can't get over his damn pride!