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Just asking because I can't remember: what's Peter's reaction when he throws the bomb at Harry, knocking him out? Does he laugh it off and fly away, or does he suddenly become concerned and check that Harry's okay? I ask because if it's the latter, you could certainly do a convincing edit erasing the jazz club scene by cutting straight to Spidey in the church ripping off the symbiote, and have his regret over Harry's injury be the catalyst for that.

Or am I the only one dying to see Peter's Ron-Burgundyesque dancing - and now I think of it, basically all of Bryce Dallas Howard being wasted as a blonde bimbo - cut out completely?
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I saw the movie Friday night, and I'm don't know enough about the missing scenes to suggest anything, but I do look forward to people's attempts to salvage the film. It dragged; neither the Sandman nor Venom plots really "worked," and the Goblin/Spidey team up was just . . .

One of the other posters mentioned that Spiderman was effectively Superman in this movie: He just relied on his physical power. Except for the one scene with Venom, he never really used any of his other abilities--super hearing, brains, etc. That makes some sense when he's in the black suit, but not as much when he is in the red and blue.

I think the Eddie Brock character ahs the most potential for development. He's supposed to be the anti-Peter Parker. But the movie never brings that out. They're so concerned about making Eddie into a jerk that we can hate that they don't make him at all pitiable when Peter ruins his career and steals his girl.
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Originally posted by: djsmokingjam
Just asking because I can't remember: what's Peter's reaction when he throws the bomb at Harry, knocking him out? Does he laugh it off and fly away, or does he suddenly become concerned and check that Harry's okay? I ask because if it's the latter, you could certainly do a convincing edit erasing the jazz club scene by cutting straight to Spidey in the church ripping off the symbiote, and have his regret over Harry's injury be the catalyst for that.

Or am I the only one dying to see Peter's Ron-Burgundyesque dancing - and now I think of it, basically all of Bryce Dallas Howard being wasted as a blonde bimbo - cut out completely?


If I recall correctly, I think we see him just walking off. I don't think there's any room for using that, although it would be cool.

And, as I haven't seen Anchorman, any reference there was totally lost on me. I didn't have any problem with that or the Gwen Stacy character--although, I'm not familiar with the comics.

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Peter just walks away after the bomb goes off next to Harry (which is a problem in itself, since those things are so powerful, if one went off a foot away from Harry it would certainly kill him).

I agree, very few of his powers were used in this movie. All my friends and I were wondering what happened to his Spidey-Sense - it clearly would have "gone off" many times in this film but it was just ignored.

The asteroid "quietly" hitting the gound near Peter and MJ was dumb and too cooincidental - how the hell can a chunk of asteroid hit the earth 50 feet away from someone and NOT send you flying?? It would have made perfect sense for it to hit the ground further away, and out of natural curiosity they would have run over to check it out. THEN the black gunk could have secretly made it's way to them.

This movie was full of impossible cooincidences, which really was just sloppy writing.
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How about changing the motivation for Mary Jane's break up with Peter. In the movie she does it because Harry makes her but make is so she is upset with him, kisses Harry then breaks up with Peter for real. That to me would up his motivation to be angry and use the black suit. For me that Breakup was the Jump the Shark moment in the film because I was thinking why doesn't she just tell Peter. Anyway just an idea. Plus it kind of ties up the end where all three are there together since the major plot of the film is now all three of their relationships. You got to trim some of the over the top black suit stuff though please!
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Originally posted by: bomma
How about changing the motivation for Mary Jane's break up with Peter. In the movie she does it because Harry makes her but make is so she is upset with him, kisses Harry then breaks up with Peter for real. That to me would up his motivation to be angry and use the black suit. For me that Breakup was the Jump the Shark moment in the film because I was thinking why doesn't she just tell Peter. Anyway just an idea. Plus it kind of ties up the end where all three are there together since the major plot of the film is now all three of their relationships. You got to trim some of the over the top black suit stuff though please!

I don't like this idea. Then it looks like she breaks up because she likes Harry, and when Harry is dead, she will try it with Peter again. All the (general) Spider-Man fans know that MJ is supposed to be Peter meant-to-be girl.

No, it's my kind of idea I would like to see in a Spidey 3 fanedit.

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Originally posted by: maurice2029Also a lot of other scenes:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f40/omgyourretarded/Picture038.jpg


I believe that this scene is followed by a shot of Eddie entering the church solemnly and anointing himself with holy water, then sauntering down the centre aisle of the church. I have a snippet of this footage on a special I downloaded off Youtube (originally from the Starz Channel).
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
Originally posted by: maurice2029Also a lot of other scenes:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f40/omgyourretarded/Picture038.jpg


I believe that this scene is followed by a shot of Eddie entering the church solemnly and anointing himself with holy water, then sauntering down the centre aisle of the church. I have a snippet of this footage on a special I downloaded off Youtube (originally from the Starz Channel).

Snippet of footage was already posted:
http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/brockchurch01.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/brockchurch02.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/brockchurch03.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/brockchurch04.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/brockchurch05.jpg
http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/brockchurch06.jpg


Eddie anointing himself with holy water was in the movie.

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Eddie anointing himself with holy water was in the movie.


Just to verify, it was definitely 100% in the print of the movie I saw. I remember thinking it was an odd but neat character touch.

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Tons of stuff compiled here: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271711

Here's something to substantiate how Sandman and Venom teaming up would've went: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-f-MiF3_dM From the video game.

I've read that they shot so much they almost made 2 movies out of it, but they couldn't figure out what to use to make a bridging climax.

Here's a list compiled from that thread. Some stuff may or may not be accurate. Again, I don't know how much of this stuff is real or was shot:

- At the play, Peter tries to catch up to Harry, but there are people in his way. Since nobody’s looking, he hops up, bounces off the wall and continues. Nobody notices. Then, when he’s trying to talk to Harry and explain his side of the story, Harry almost considers it. Then Harry looks into the reflection of the car window and sees his father, telling him not to.

- Once back at the mansion, Harry’s butler insists he has some milk to help sleep. Harry freaks out and smacks the milk out of the butler’s hand, shattering the glass across the floor. Harry buries his head into his hands for a moment and looks up, to find his butler and the mess gone. Either the butler cleaned it up fast, or Harry’s going completely mental. In Harry’s mind, Norman walks into the room and they discuss the whole Goblin thing. Harry tries to defend Peter and points out all the horrible things Norman did to people, like the guys he murdered. Norman spins the argument to his advantage and keeps Harry on his side, ending the scene with a hug.

- The Sandman origin sequence is a lot more detailed, given enough padding to make it less random. The facility gets two extra scenes. One is before Flint breaks in, which has them explain what their experiment is and how important it is that they get it done that night. I can’t remember if it’s mentioned in dialogue or narration, but it ties in with the facility Green Goblin attacked early on in the first movie. The other scene is the aftermath, where the police explain to one of the scientists that Flint was snooping around. Despite the scent of the dogs, the police find no sign of Flint in the pit. The horrified and overwhelmed scientist keeps it to himself, but discusses with another scientist that if a human being had fallen into the pit during the experiment, he would have indeed died.

While some of Gwen’s modeling stuff had more dialogue, there was a rather funny scene as she’s hanging on by the phone receiver. Right as she grabbed the phone, she had received a call.

“Hello! Hello?!”

“You’ve got the rockin’ sound of WKRQ! If you can name our last two ‘Two for Tuesday’ songs, you could be our grand-prize winner!”

“Help! I can’t hold on!”

“Right you are! Help and I Can’t Hold On! Pack your bags, ‘cause you’re going on a trip!”

There’s also more stuff with Eddie Brock here. When he tells Captain Stacy that he’s dating his daughter, Stacy reacts with, “Huh. She’s never mentioned you.”

Once Spider-Man saves Gwen, he faces the malfunctioning crane, trying to figure out how he’s going to stop it. Suddenly, all the power in the block goes out and the situation is finally under control.

After swinging away from Eddie Brock, Spider-Man stands on top a building, looks at his stomach and says, “Chunky?”

- After getting fired and while feeling the envy of Spider-Man’s success, MJ is confronted by a stranger who asks if she’s famous, as she looks familiar. MJ just kind of dismisses him.

- Some of the Eddie/Jameson dialogue got cut, including a great exchange.

“What’s that smell?”

“Brock, sir.”

“What kind of cologne is ‘Brock’?”

“No, sir. My name is Brock.”

“Why are you named after a cologne?”

Eddie kisses up to Jameson and when asked how much he wants his photos for, he allows Jameson to give him what he considers fair. Hence the $50 at the end of the scene, which apparently is far lower than what Eddie was comfortable with.

- At the Spider-Man appreciation ceremony, Peter runs into a little boy with toy web-shooters. After getting sprayed on, Peter shoots a little webbing on the kid’s shoe as the boy’s walking away. The kid sees the webbing, turns around and points to his mother that he just met Spider-Man. The mother sees some guy in a ****py suit nearby and figures that’s what he was talking about.

- The symbiote has more of a presence throughout the story, even if subtle. At one point, MJ cleans the black goop off of Peter’s shoe and tosses it out. The symbiote sneaks into the closet and at times, Peter would swear he saw the shadows move.

- There’s a scene where Sandman sneaks into the home of a scientist he had been writing to from prison. The scientist has been doing research on whatever disease Penny Marko has and Flint’s been trying to raise enough money for him to cure it. The guy tries to make it clear how money alone won’t promise a cure, but Sandman intimidates him into shutting up.

- The first time Peter removes the black costume, it sticks to his skin, but he does get it off without too much effort. Later points of the story show that he has no problem removing it because the symbiote knows Peter will be back. The scene of Peter looking at the mirror with the black costume underneath briefly includes him seeing a lashing tongue in the reflection.

- After the Symbiote Peter vs. Harry fight, Harry gets up and sees his face in a reflection. As Peter leaves, he hears the scream and says, “He deserved worse.”

- A hilarious Jameson scene is cut, which gives resolution to both the stress bit and Ted Raimi’s idiotic marketing project.

- Following up on his firing, Eddie goes to see Gwen to ask her out. Gwen wants nothing to do with him and explains that they’ve only gone on one date, not counting the time they bumped into each other at a coffee place. Gwen admits that they did kiss, but is confused when Eddie insists she told him that she loves him. Captain Stacy threatens to arrest Eddie and forces him off the premises. Eddie tries to make it look like he’s optimistic as he waves to the Stacys and jokingly skips away. Captain Stacy tells his daughter that she needs to be careful with how friendly she is towards some people.

- Eddie’s speech in the church is a lot longer, showing that he holds absolutely no responsibility for his own actions.

“Eddie Brock, sir. I’ve been wronged, and the woman I worship will have none of me. I don’t qualify as the perfect boyfriend, but… who does? I ask you, why do I have to suffer for everyone else’s imperfections? Why can’t I ever have what I want? What about me? What about Eddie? I try to do what’s right. I follow your rules. I obey the ‘thou shalt nots.’ I’m a decent person. I’m a decent person! So I come to you today, humbled, humiliated, to ask of you but one thing. I want you to kill Peter Parker.”

- The scene of Venom aligning himself with the Sandman is very different. Sandman takes the form of a rather large sandcastle in a park, just as his ex-wife and daughter come by. Penny plays with the sandcastle briefly. When Penny and her mother aren’t looking for a moment, the sandcastle disappears. Venom talks to Sandman from the shadows, beneath a tree. He brings up Sandman’s family as conversation, not as a threat, but as a way to illustrate how bitter he is at what he feels Parker’s taken from him.

- Upon jumping on the taxi, Spider-Man’s first reaction to Mary Jane is to apologize for hitting her. She kind of laughs, considering how unimportant it is at the moment.

- As the news anchor explains that this may be the end of Spider-Man, we look back at the Osborn residence with the TV on. Zooming out, we see that the room is empty and I think the window is open.

- Harry goes up against Venom one-on-one for a round, not counting the impaling scene.

- Sandman is pulled out of the fight by his daughter Penny. She convinces him that there is no way to cure what she has, and therefore, there’s no reason to fight Spider-Man anymore. Sandman explains his role in the Ben murder, Peter forgives him and Sandman sneaks off to be with his family.

- The final scene of Peter dancing with Mary Jane is followed by a shot of
Spider-Man swinging through New York while carrying MJ.


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^^ Most of the scenes you describe are in the novel, but this doesn't mean they are actually filmed.

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Originally posted by: maurice2029
^^ Most of the scenes you describe are in the novel, but this doesn't mean they are actually filmed.

Yes, I mentioned that here:

Here's a list compiled from that thread. Some stuff may or may not be accurate. Again, I don't know how much of this stuff is real or was shot:


Though it does look like all the Sandman stuff, and Venom approaching Sandman did get shot according to photos. It's easy to imagine they could've shot the stuff which was just extentions of scenes, too.
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bumping an old thread...is anyone planning on making an edit?

there wasn't enough screen time on venom's side after brock turned into venom in the church.

has anyone thought of editing the entire venom storyline out altogether?
you can still have brock be brock IMO, and you could perhaps tease venom at the end with the meteorite shot in central park?

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We would need more footage.

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r said:

 

has anyone thought of editing the entire venom storyline out altogether?
you can still have brock be brock IMO, and you could perhaps tease venom at the end with the meteorite shot in central park?

 

That would be great, but pretty much impossible since the black spidy suit is such a centrial part of the story. It wouldn't make any sense for the meteorite to appear at the end of the film, when the suit is there from early on in the film.

I would really like to see somebody attempt a good edit of this film, but I am afraid there is not a lot to be done. It was pretty awful and beyond fixing IMHO, but I would love for someone to make me eat my words.

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