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Where were you in '77?
The Visual Effects Society Unveils “50 Most Influential Visual Effects Films of All Time”
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Anyone see a PT film in that list.....
didn't think so.
And to add....I can't believe I've seen every movie on that list. Made me wonder how many movies a person watches in an entire life. (Goes to Google...)
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
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"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
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He was very good in Shaun of the Dead.
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
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Not sure what THE TERMINATOR brought to the table that wasn't already there.
Can't think of any really interesting visual effects in AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON - unless, of course, they're talking about the make-up. But then if effects make-up is included, they're making alot of ommissions - notably THE THING (1982).
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"King Kong ('33) is less influential than Tron?"
As awesome as Tron is to me, it is a very unique film in many regards. King Kong had effects that were used in many films afterwards. While Tron used a great deal of CGI, I don't think it was the first (for example, the "Genesis effect" in Star Trek II that same year.) The Last Starfighter came out two years later, but it was being worked on at that time (and Lucas turned down an offer from the company doing that animation to use some in the SW films.)
"as Jar-Jar's animation was pretty groundbreaking for 90's special effects work"
Not only was the animation of Jurassic Park (#5) sufficient, but the other reason why Ep. I isn't there for character animtion was actually answered by this question:
Not sure what THE TERMINATOR brought to the table that wasn't already there.
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
"Yeah, PHANTOM MENACE should definitely get a mention. It broke alot of new ground."
Not much more than variations on a theme. There were plenty of films with effects from plenty other effects houses (sometimes even better) coming out before and after the PT. Evolutionary vs. revolutionary.
BTW, I'm really grateful to see "A Trip to the Moon" there. That's awesome.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"All three OT films in the top 50. Good . . . good."
"Yeah, PHANTOM MENACE should definitely get a mention. It broke alot of new ground."
Not much more than variations on a theme. There were plenty of films with effects from plenty other effects houses (sometimes even better) coming out before and after the PT. Evolutionary vs. revolutionary.
BTW, I'm really grateful to see "A Trip to the Moon" there. That's awesome.
"All three OT films in the top 50. Good . . . good."
"Yeah, PHANTOM MENACE should definitely get a mention. It broke alot of new ground."
Not much more than variations on a theme. There were plenty of films with effects from plenty other effects houses (sometimes even better) coming out before and after the PT. Evolutionary vs. revolutionary.
BTW, I'm really grateful to see "A Trip to the Moon" there. That's awesome.
Honestly this list is pretty average at best, and if we are going to use "variations on a theme" as the criteria for inclusion on the list then Fellowship of the Ring has no business being on this list, nor does Jedi for that matter... I'll give you Empire because of the advent of "go-motion", but why is the Terminator on this list??? At best average makeup effects (even for the time), along with cheesy front projection work. How is Ghostbusters groundbreaking??? And I'm sorry you're going to include Jackson's Kong and not include ROTS? Give me a break.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
No doubt. But I think he was referring to T1, not T2.
TPM did a lot more than just build on the work of T2. Things like the texture modeling and clothing animation they did for the CG characters were new concepts for a live-action film. And VFX supervisor John Knoll was quoted as saying he had no idea how they were going to do a lot of the shots in the film when they started pre-production.
I guess in the end all I'm saying is that TPM is much more deserving of being on that list than ROTJ.
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Originally posted by: Zion
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
Yeah, I think T2 was pretty damned deserving of being on the list.
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Originally posted by: Zion
No doubt. But I think he was referring to T1, not T2.
TPM did a lot more than just build on the work of T2. Things like the texture modeling and clothing animation they did for the CG characters were new concepts for a live-action film. And VFX supervisor John Knoll was quoted as saying he had no idea how they were going to do a lot of the shots in the film when they started pre-production.
I guess in the end all I'm saying is that TPM is much more deserving of being on that list than ROTJ.
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
No doubt. But I think he was referring to T1, not T2.
TPM did a lot more than just build on the work of T2. Things like the texture modeling and clothing animation they did for the CG characters were new concepts for a live-action film. And VFX supervisor John Knoll was quoted as saying he had no idea how they were going to do a lot of the shots in the film when they started pre-production.
I guess in the end all I'm saying is that TPM is much more deserving of being on that list than ROTJ.
Agreed, TPM was also the first film to create "armies" of CG characters and was the first film to use rudimentary AI to give orders to those armies. It was the first movie to have a completely CG main character (Years before the Two Towers), and TPM was the first film to make extensive use of realistic virtual sets (sorry the 5th Element doesn't cut it here)... Sorry, I know this pains prequel bashers but TPM was not "variations on a theme"... and in fact I would go so far as to say TPM deserves to be in the Top 10 of that list. Most of today's movies owe a lot to ILM's accomplishments for Episode I.
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Originally posted by: gallandro
Agreed, TPM was also the first film to create "armies" of CG characters and was the first film to use rudimentary AI to give orders to those armies. It was the first movie to have a completely CG main character (Years before the Two Towers), and TPM was the first film to make extensive use of realistic virtual sets (sorry the 5th Element doesn't cut it here)... Sorry, I know this pains prequel bashers but TPM was not "variations on a theme"... and in fact I would go so far as to say TPM deserves to be in the Top 10 of that list. Most of today's movies owe a lot to ILM's accomplishments for Episode I.
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Originally posted by: Zion
No doubt. But I think he was referring to T1, not T2.
TPM did a lot more than just build on the work of T2. Things like the texture modeling and clothing animation they did for the CG characters were new concepts for a live-action film. And VFX supervisor John Knoll was quoted as saying he had no idea how they were going to do a lot of the shots in the film when they started pre-production.
I guess in the end all I'm saying is that TPM is much more deserving of being on that list than ROTJ.
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
I know it seems old to us now, but this was the shit back in the day.
No doubt. But I think he was referring to T1, not T2.
TPM did a lot more than just build on the work of T2. Things like the texture modeling and clothing animation they did for the CG characters were new concepts for a live-action film. And VFX supervisor John Knoll was quoted as saying he had no idea how they were going to do a lot of the shots in the film when they started pre-production.
I guess in the end all I'm saying is that TPM is much more deserving of being on that list than ROTJ.
Agreed, TPM was also the first film to create "armies" of CG characters and was the first film to use rudimentary AI to give orders to those armies. It was the first movie to have a completely CG main character (Years before the Two Towers), and TPM was the first film to make extensive use of realistic virtual sets (sorry the 5th Element doesn't cut it here)... Sorry, I know this pains prequel bashers but TPM was not "variations on a theme"... and in fact I would go so far as to say TPM deserves to be in the Top 10 of that list. Most of today's movies owe a lot to ILM's accomplishments for Episode I.
Yancy
Not disagreeing, but I think that it's difficult to deny the accomplishments of the Rings films (or their flaws; I can see both). The Massive Engine took the armies in intriguing new directions. Not to take anything away from Star Wars.
I'm going out on a limb here to theorize that you are not fond of Jackson and LOTR?
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Not disagreeing, but I think that it's difficult to deny the accomplishments of the Rings films (or their flaws; I can see both). The Massive Engine took the armies in intriguing new directions. Not to take anything away from Star Wars.
I'm going out on a limb here to theorize that you are not fond of Jackson and LOTR?
Not disagreeing, but I think that it's difficult to deny the accomplishments of the Rings films (or their flaws; I can see both). The Massive Engine took the armies in intriguing new directions. Not to take anything away from Star Wars.
I'm going out on a limb here to theorize that you are not fond of Jackson and LOTR?
No actually I think Jackson is a good director and I thoroughly enjoyed Fellowship and Two Towers (really disliked ROTK and felt by the end it was collapsing under it's own weight). Frankly. Fellowship's effects are a very mixed bag. Now if you want to put Two Towers on that list I have no problems at all. Two Tower's use of the Massive Engine was revolutionary and Gollum was a huge evolution in fully realized digital characters. But for this "society" to snub TPM like that is just seriously misguided.
EDIT: I had to add a couple of things after going over that list... actually I will retract my statement that the list was average at best... this list is horrid due to a number of huge omissions on this list. Where is Young Sherlock Holmes??? with it's first ever CG character (the stained-glass knight). Where's Dragonslayer??? with ILM's major evolution of go-motion for the dragon which was a technique used throughout the 80s and into the 90s. Why is the Matrix on this list??? and if you're going to use "bullet-time" as the reason for it's inclusion, well bullet-time was being used in commercials almost a year before the Matrix and Lost In Space (not the Matrix) was first feature film to use the effect.
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Originally posted by: gallandro It was the first movie to have a completely CG main character (Years before the Two Towers)
Wrong. The first movie featuring a completely CG main character is Dragonheart which came out 3 years earlier than Phantom Menace.
If I would be picky, I could also refer to the MCP from Tron.
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Dragonheart is missing! It featured the first full CGI main character along a real life actor in a real environment! Idiots...
Blade Runner being before 2001: A Space Odyssey. 2001 was a gigantic milestone in special effects, which may indeed having been a much bigger influence than Star Wars..
Metropolis was also a major breakthrough in special effects, and doesn't deserve a place behind films like Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Alien...
Forrest Gump also deserves a higher place, since it is the first movie which incorporated realistic CGI special effects to tell a story, which is very common nowadays.
I wouldn't rank the special effects of "The Terminator" influential at all. T2 however, was also a major breakthrough.
Their problem is, they don't seem to distinguish between most influential special effects and most influential movies. For example, I wouldn't consider Alien a classic because of its special effects, which were standard in 1979. Star Trek: TMP had much more sophisticated special effects. Blade Runner had great Special effects, but the movie was most influential because of its complex theme, cinematography, and atmosphere. 2001 however, is both known for its breakthrough special effects and its complex story.
There are other choices of films which I would consider for this list:
Flowers and Trees (1932) being the first released piece of cinema in full 3 strip Technicolor.
Willow (1987) had the first CGI morphs, which a lot of movies and TV series copied.
Howard the Duck (1986) had the first CGI wire removal (no joke!), which is basically a standard practice today in movies. It is not on the list because hardly anyone knows this fact, or the movie.
Battleship Potemkin (1925) for one of the first demonatrations of the power of cutting.