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Damn, I love it when episodes end at horrible points! This one was quite a ride getting there too. Season three is shaping up to be very good it seems. My hopes are increasing for the show as well.

Originally posted by: C3PX
I am really not seeing any similiarity between Hanso and Mikhail (Kelvin was Desmond's room mate at the hatch, not the eye patch guy). I am sure they are not the same actor, and I am pretty certain they don't intend them to be the same guy. Also I think Ben would know who Hanso is, and he seemed to regard Mikhail as a crazy ex-soviet communications officer who would shoot him if he didn't give warning before approaching his house. I imagine if we are ever going to learn anything of Hanso on the show, tonight may be the night for that.


Ahh, sorry about the name mixup. I read a blog by searching for "eye patch guy lost" in Google and read about that name for the eye patch guy. I forgot that there were two eye-patch fellows.

In fact, now that you mention it, I bet Hanso (if he's Mikhail) came to the island with Kelvin in an effort to save the island from Ben and his "hostile" followers. They made a deal for peace and cooperation with Ben (pretending to be surviving Darma workers) and were allowed to do their Darma duties unhindered as a result (like pushing the button). Of course, that all assumes Mikhail was being truthful when he mistook the plane-crash victims as the "hostiles" and wasn't merely pretending to mistake them at that time.

About identifying Hanso with Andrew Divoff's face, I pride myself on my skills when it comes to noticing small, visual similarities and I'm almost certain they're the same person. You can look at the nose and where they meet the eyebrows and many other small features and see them completely represented in the other photograph. Sure, the overall look is very different, but it's the details and the general shapes that match (as far as I can tell anyways).


As for the island, I've been guessing for quite a while now, based on the "fate" motif of the Island and Ben's early words that God couldn't see them, that the Island is actually an alternate version of the earth where this island actually does exist in the pacific due to a different evolution of the earth (and perhaps even a different evolution for the earth's inhabitants). It's the theory that I'm sticking to since it's the one I came up with on my own.

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Tonight's episode was....wow....just wow. This is Lost at its best. Whenever the creators throw in the stuff that connects dozens of episodes, my jaw just drops. It's almost too intricate to believe. I gasped when Locke was shot---that was riveting and shocking. When Ben started mutering about being smart enough to stay out of that ditch, I knew something was coming, but that was still very, very shocking. And seeing the Dharma Initiative in its prime was amazing. Who's this Jacob, too? Whatever the case, this is shaping up to be one hell of a finale. I love it when this show does that; uses the last few episodes before the finale to shape up to something really, really big, and then actually pays it off. Let's hope season 3 can do the same.
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Yeah, that episode was amazing. Tiptup, Kelvin never had an eye patch, probably what you read was an old blog. When we first saw Mikhail (eye patch guy) on the video monitors in the pearl station it was only for a brief glimpse and there was a lot of speculation that maybe he was Kelvin and Desmond didn't actually kill hm after all. That is probably what the blog you read was talking about. Kelvin was also the US soldier who worked with Syid. He tells Desmond that after he got out of the army he joined Dharma. From this last episode it is pretty clear that when the "Hostiles" took out the Dharma camp they neglected to take out the two button pushers in The Swan station. Kelvin told Desmond that they were suppose to be relieved and replaced by two other guys, but that they never showed up, and that Kelvin's partner eventually killed himself. The reason Kelvin told Desmond the whole place was contaminated and that you couldn't leave without the biohazard suit was so he did not discover the boat that Kelvin intended to use to escape the island (a boat Ben did not even know about). Kelvin probably returned to the camp sometime in the beginning and found it abandoned and never went back. Not sure why Ben and his present company never bothered to check up on them or to make sure the button continued to be pressed, it seems they did not believe it was real either.

Anyway, this show is getting back to being as awesome as it used to be. Can't wait for the next two weeks! Then we will have a whole painful wait until next season. I was lucky enough to start watching the show on DVD, and I had just finished seeing all of season two merely a month or so before the start of season three. This is one of those shows I really wish I had not discovered until it was completely over and had all season on DVD. But then again, the speculation and discussion are half the fun

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Would that make Ben and Kyp cousins?
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Tiptup, Kelvin never had an eye patch, probably what you read was an old blog. When we first saw Mikhail (eye patch guy) on the video monitors in the pearl station it was only for a brief glimpse and there was a lot of speculation that maybe he was Kelvin and Desmond didn't actually kill hm after all. That is probably what the blog you read was talking about.


Yeah, you're right again. I wonder how I got the weird idea that he had an eye patch. Probably because the blog connected the eye patch to him as you said and therefore I made that connection as well.

You're also probably right that he didn't come to the island at a post-Ben-massacre time with Mikhail. But, that doesn't mean Mikhail didn't! So, a part of my theory could still work!


Otherwise, Zion, I thought the Jacob part was perhaps the neatest portion of the episode (before Locke got shot). I'm guessing, at the moment, that Ben was lying when he said that Jacob doesn't like technology (also, they way he "talked" to Jacob showed that he didn't have much respect for him). Maybe whatever's up with Jacob doesn't mix well with electrical devices and that's what caused the strange disturbance?

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Yeah, I really liked the Jacob thing too. That was IMHO the coolest scene all season. Unfortunatly don't expect any answers on the Jacob front for a very long time. I heard that ABC has ordered 48 more episodes of Lost, that are going to be broken up into 3 season of 16 episodes each. These will run from 2008-2010 each Feburary - May. When I heard 48 more episodes I was excited because that is approx. two season and I thought that would be just the perfect amount. Kind of disappointed they decided to break it into three. That means longer waiting between seasons, and less episodes to be rewarded with after the wait.

Anyway, with that Jacob scene we did get to see him for a brief second. He has long shaggy hair and possibly a bear, and looks very old. Before Ben opened the door to the little hut, I was half expecting to see an old mumuified corps sitting in a rocking chair (like Mrs. Bate's from Physcho), so it was funny when I found I was half right with the rocking chair thing and found the next best thing to a mumified corps, nothing. I really wasn't expecting that scene to pan out how it did though, I thought Locke would pull out his gun and shoot at the chair and that Ben would go nuts screaming "You killed Jacob!"

Honestly though, how weird was the Jacob thing when we have been subjected to smoke monsters and visions of dead people for the duration of the entire series? It was no shocker to me, in fact, I would not be surprised if Jacob turns out to be the smoke monster. I am sure there is some connection there. Remember when the writter said that in the end it would turn out there was nothing supernatural about the show, and that everything would be scientifically explainable. I wonder if they threw that out the window, or if they are going to pull at the strings of some pretty off the wall theoretical science. I am thinking the later. Especially with the book The Third Policeman in mind.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Remember when the writter said that in the end it would turn out there was nothing supernatural about the show, and that everything would be scientifically explainable.


There is no way they're going to accomplish that without tapping into sci-fi and questionable metaphysics. They've depicted too many things that could not be reproduced with our everyday modern technology.

For one small instance, if the whispers in the jungle turns out to merely be "others" hiding in the trees (as one episode tried to suggest), that will be a lame explanation for the way those whispers were portrayed.

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Nah man....all the trees have speakers in them.

Hey look, a bear!

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http://www.thetailsection.com/Image/jacob-revealed.jpg

Jacob^^

He could be Locke, an older version. Locke does seem to be the key in all of this (locke = lock // unlock the secrets on the island an' all that shit!)) and time travel has already been explored with Desmond, so who knows. I mean, he could just be sitting there cos he's paralyzed again. He does ask for help.

Remember when Makhail was talking to Sayid, Kate, and Locke in the woods....and he was telling how horrible Sayid and Kate really where.... then stopped at Locke and said "the John Locke I knew..." and then got cut off......Mmmm

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Major scoopage on LOST


Kind of spoilerish....but not really!!
















"Through the Looking Glass" - Jack and the castaways begin their efforts to make contact with Naomi's rescue ship, on the season finale of "Lost.”



What ABC is not telling us:

* We do not get a lot more information this season about Richard Alpert and the island’s other natives.

* We do not get a lot more information this season on the Dharma Initiative or the Hanso Foundation.

* We do not learn a lot more this season about Jacob.

* We don’t learn more about the four-toed statue.

* Christian Shepherd is not discovered alive.

* Libby does not appear.

* We will learn something huge about Kate.

* We get a major clue related to the “other” Oceanic 815 that boasted no survivors.

* We’ll be meeting new characters, not all of them in flashbacks.

* Rousseau’s original Frenchy broadcast from the pilot plays a role this week.

* There is much death in the finale.

* Yet another original cast member goes the way of Boone and Shannon.

* A long-absent regular returns. And that regular is not listed among ABC’s cast list.

* We will see Terry O’Quinn at least one more time before the season ends.

* We see a new side of Hurley.

* Desmond does not sacrifice himself to save Charlie.

* There’s a big reveal involving Naomi and Penelope.

* The huge huge huge HUGE season-ending reveal resides in Jack’s very dark flashbacks, so watch them very carefully.

* Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering how this show is going to continue next season.

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No, the Wednesday of next week. Three more hours of Lost left for 2007, this Wednesdays, then the two hour final next Wednesday.

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Not sure exactly where this is going, but it's leading up to something cool. It almost seems like everyone is against Ben at this point. Can't wait to see how that develops. Charlie finding more hatch people underwater was an interesting twist as well. My guess is the "long-absent regular" who returns will be either Michael or Eko.

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Well at least now we know what Danielle wanted that dynamite for

I'm guessing

the "long-absent regular" who returns will be Walt.
Penny doesn't know anyone named Naomi
Charlie will be the one who dies

I've also heard rumours that

POSSIBLE SPOILER

Jacks flashes are set in the future not the past.
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A long-absent regular returns? I bet it will be someone who's dead.

Today's episode was very good. I'm glad Charlie isn't dead, but I'm guessing he's still probably going to die.

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Ringo, I read those spoilers/foilers too. I am really thinking they are completely false. They were dead on for Greatest Hits, but I am still really thinking that the finale spoilers are false. If they are true, then this show is really going downhill. Some of the things mentioned in that spoiler would be just retarded. Also a lot of things said in that spoiler contradict things the producers told us would happen next season. For example, they said Naomi would play a big role in season 4, but the spoiler said she is going to be killed. There are other contradictions too. Anyway, I hope it is false. It leaked the very day after the editing of the finale was completed, it would be really retarded if ABCs security is that bad.

At anyrate, I don't think it is so good to post spoilers here, I think a good deal of the people here that watch like the surprises. If the bit you posted turns out to be true, it could be very annoying for them.

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I generally glance over anything that seems like a spoiler. I like hearing speculation, but supposed inside info or words from the writers are not anything I want to see. Hell, I purposely skip commercials for the next episode to avoid what they would reveal too.

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It's pure speculation as you say, Some of it my own and some from others. I only say "possible spoilers" for the very reason you mention
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Oh, the spoiler you mentioned isn't even speculative, though you may have heard it that way through second or third hand information. A guy claiming to have seen both Greatest hits and the finale gave a review for both of them summerizing and highlighting what happens in them. So far his summery of Greatest hits was spot on. So it stands to reason that he might very well have seen the finale as well. I just hope it is fake because many of the things he said happen, especially the thing Ringo named a possible spoiler, are just plain retarded. I am hoping he had only seen Greatest Hits (which is why he was spot on with it) and that he made up everything about the finale.

One way or another, next week will be interesting. Can you believe we have to wait until Feburary to see the next episode though?

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Ah, yeah well. I hadn't read that. Makes sense now. I guess we can only hope. I stand by what I'm guessing will happen, But i'm not stating that is what will happen or what I want to happen, Just the way things feel at the moment.

Either way we know something big is about to happen.

Season 4 is going to be a straight run with no breaks though, right?
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Yeah, no breaks, but only 16 episodes.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Yeah, no breaks, but only 16 episodes.


That will be the pattern for all remaining eps. 3, 16 episode seasons, no re-runs.
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I thought this last episode, "Greatest Hits," is the best of the season so far. I REALLY thought Charlie was going to die. The finale has been set up very, very well. I am bummed that we won't see the next episode until February though.
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