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Waterworld ABC Cut? A ton of info - see McFly's posts for details (Released) — Page 11

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I don't plan to apply any filters if I vobcap.

Even if I go xvid-only, it'll still be only ivtc/deint, crop, scale, nothing else. I only use heavy filtering on videos that REALLY need it.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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The noise I'm getting is clearly not film grain; it's analog video noise from the coaxial cable. The FFTD3D filter (the one RidgeShark is using on his Army of Darkness TV caps) does a great job of filtering out this noise while maintaining detail. Take a look.

Before:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/AtollGuys-BeforeProcessing.jpg

After:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/AtollGuys-AfterProcessing.jpg

I'm currently searching for a similar solution for my audio noise woes.
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So Saturday afternoon...

My current setup:

Digital cable -> Cable converter (via Coax) -> Settop DVD recorder (via S-Video and Composite Audio)

The DVD recorder's cheap but it produces good enough results for me. I suppose I could snail someone the rws I cap off, I'm running out of room and will probably make for pulling up to the computer just an AVI. (I'm a fairly experienced xvid user )

I suppose the other possibility would be to send the vobs one-by-one over irc, I don't really want to torrent this in raw format :/ ...I'll be capping with commercials, prolly at my settop's top quality. 4 hours -> 4 DVD-RWs

And while I don't know or care about this movie, preservation is preservation! And I'm damn willing to do just about anything within my ability for preservation.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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I'm capping. Thank ghed for digital cable, eh?

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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I'm making an xvid right now, keeping the rws handy in case someone else has a better use than this (I'm limited on disk space).

http://www.usotsuki.info/waterworld_everest.jpg

This has to be the extended cut, doesn't it?

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Holy crap. Yes that is. And it looks good. Actually, I've read that that ending scene is cut out of some versions of the extended version. Exxxxxcellent.
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I used my dvb card to capture this from sat. for you if it would help. I would think this would be the highest quality source possible from this broadcast.

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If anyone wants just an xvid I can torrent it I suppose (and prolly will later) ...it's 2 hours 50 minutes, 1.9 GB...

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Sorry, I've missed something here. Is this project just to preserve the extended edit? Or is it going to be matted to fit the dvd and then create the ultimate extended edition. I ask because won't the sci-fi channel version be edited for violence and swearing? I know the UK version normally is.
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Originally posted by: Jabbitt
Sorry, I've missed something here. Is this project just to preserve the extended edit? Or is it going to be matted to fit the dvd and then create the ultimate extended edition. I ask because won't the sci-fi channel version be edited for violence and swearing? I know the UK version normally is.


I'm doing an extended cut which uses a number of broadcasts to include all deleted scenes and scenes which were censored or edited out for content. I'm not using the video from the DVD because it's cropped, and this edit will be 4:3. I'm doing a good deal of cleanup work to get my footage looking as close to the DVD quality as possible.

The Sci-Fi capture looks and sounds great, though I haven't gone through every bit of it yet. It's a little more noisy than the USA and less noisy than the Bravo, with Telemundo (theatrical cut) still being the clear winner in the quality department. We'll see how they compare after noise reduction and color correction, but I'll probably end up using whichever Telemundo shots I have available.

Here's the raw of the everest shot:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/MountEverest.jpg

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Okay I'm with you now, good luck with the project and I can't wait to see the results.
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shepp74--We'd love to see some screens from your capture to compare. In particular, I have a shot that's partially covered by a Sci-Fi ad on the bottom. The shot takes place when we come back from a commercial and Helen wakes up on the Atol right before the smokers attack. Does anyone have that shot, sans ad? For most of the "Sci-Fi ad" shots I have alternates from other sources, but not so with this scene.

I may have other corrupted shots (I haven't gone through the whole thing yet, not even close) that I can post later. Worst-case scenario, ReverendBeastly's VHS should be able to fill in audio and picture gaps. There is a LOT of editing going into this version--besides the deleted scenes you've read about, there are a number of one-shot additions that nobody ever noticed. In fact, it seems like I don't move more than 60 SECONDS DOWN in the timeline before I need to add another random clip. Lots of future-slang and stuff establishing the environment that ended up on the cutting room floor. In the interest of completeness, I'm including everything I can to make this the longest version of Waterworld. That means anybody who wants to make their own "Definitive Cut" can take out what they don't like.
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A "Restored International Cut", so to speak

(sorry, got Superman on the brain)

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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I don't mind doing some screen captures. What software do you use? I've never done a screen capture before....
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I use Media Player Classic (File, Save Image) although for some reason it plays MPEGs too dark and saturated, unless I open the MPEG once, minimize it, and then open the same MPEG in another Media Player Classic window. So watch out for that. Any media player or editing software should be able to export stills.
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I just finished synching up the Sci-Fi cut with the Bravo, USA, and Telemundo. LOTS OF WORK. Now I'm waiting on ReverendBeastly's Encore version for uncensored audio and to fill in for the few shots that are over-logo-ed in the Sci-Fi version.

Also, does anyone have any old magazines with Waterworld articles? I'd love to include scans of pre-release articles and pictures with the DVD. Perhaps I'd make a good hi-res photo into a DVD cover.
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For those interested in my IVTC artifact woes:

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=7959&STARTPAGE=1
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Wow, it really shows up in those shots.

I'm really thinking that a DV->Mpeg AviSynth filter, like Reinterpolate411 is worth a try, for that problem.

Mpeg samples color between two lines, like this:

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But NTSC DV samples color along one line, like this:

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So an unfiltered conversion would look like horizontal lines (line segments), of color error - often blocky-ed across two lines (I don't know exactly what it'd look like, but those screencaps fit the theory).

It also looks like denoiser is getting confused by minor chroma noise, because of the DV. (Not sure if that's curable).


Don't know why it'd only show up after IVTC, though. But this doesn't look like IVTC errors, to me.

OTOH, maybe those line segments are screwing up the IVTC detection, and it's blending/averaging/interpolating every single field. Moth3r recommended manual settings, but I don't know if you can set it separately that for each source. Maybe you can tell decomb not to look at chroma when detecting telecine patterns.


Something they didn't mention: 24p is also kinda nessecary for editing together different telecined captures. The different telecines wouldn't be synced together, so without IVTC, you'd all kinds of stray-field problems showing up at a lot of edit points.


(Oh, and sorry, I gave you the wrong link, earlier. It mentioned some DV-Mpeg filters, but the main subject was about encoders. Sorry to give you the wrong impression. I'd promise to look up better threads, but I probably wouldn't, so I won't promise - I rarely get much forum stuff done lately).

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Jaiman Tuckuh,

I think you're on to something with the color sampling, but unfortunately Reinterpolate411 didn't work. You make a good point about needing to cut this in 24p--makes me glad I did all the extra work, even if I'm stuck with these artifacts. And no worries about the wrong link, it happens
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We're getting another Extended Version airing:
Thursday, Jun, 21 07:00 PM SCI-FI 68

Once again, it's four hours. Should be identical to my first capture, but we'll see. I've been trying to get in touch with shepp74 to get screenshots and a copy of the direct satellite capture, but if that doesn't work out, I'll do a second Sci-Fi capture and use the two to cancel out the analog noise from each other (see s7en's suggesstion here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=7959).

Also, ReverendBeastly is sending me his VHS to fill in a few holes.
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My system drive crashed, but I got a new one installed just in time for the second airing of the sci-fi extended version. I experimented with the averaging filter "Overlay" last night, mixing the two Sci-Fi cuts to reduce noise:

Original:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/HydroAddict-1.jpg

Original with Denoise:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/HydroAddict-1withNoiseFilter.jpg

Original averaged with Second Capture:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/HydroAddict-1and2Averaged.jpg

Original averaged with Second Capture then Denoised:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/HydroAddict-1and2AveragedwithNoiseF.jpg

The Denoise works best after averaging the two captures together, however I still wonder whether the Denoise is too much. It would help a lot come MPEG2 encoding time, but it does also offer a certain "plasticity" when placed next to the averaged clips. I wonder if an average of more sources might yield even better results.

The best source would probably be shepp74's satellite capture (potentially devoid of noise and thus, not needing noise filtering or averaging), but I'm having trouble getting in touch with Shepp74. In fact, I haven't recieved any captures from anyone yet. If anybody has ReverendBeastley's Encore capture (or a demon's invite so I can download it myself), I'm going to need that to finish my edit. I'd also love additional captures of the recent Sci-Fi airings to kill the noise.

HELP! THIS PROJECT IS HOGGING 454 GIGS!
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SCRATCH THAT!

I just recieved the Encore edition in the mail from ReverendBeastley! I can't wait to start chopping it up. Thanks again, Reverend.
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Originally posted by: mcfly89
SCRATCH THAT!

I just recieved the Encore edition in the mail from ReverendBeastley! I can't wait to start chopping it up. Thanks again, Reverend.
Good timing, Demonoid has been down for a few days.

The averaging looks pretty good.

Yeah, I see what you mean about Denoise. But, then again, the source may be a little plastic-y. All the stations's caps seem to have kind of an over-filtered, overenhanced look, and maybe a reduction in detail. Maybe from a lower-end broadcast-quality tape of some sort. Or the original tape was run through enhancer hardware that had the settings too high.


Averaging vs Denoise:

I can't tell, from a still, if the boat has more texture & detail, in the average-without-denoise, or if it's from the static.
Edit: The denoise seems to blur the wet(?) spots on the boat, though.

But I think the strands of hair look clearer, in the average-without-denoise.

Yeah, maybe it'd be better to leave off the denoise, whenever you can average.

I wonder if an average of more sources might yield even better results.
Absolutely.


3 copies is enough for "Toot", which should work wonders. But it probably won't be as efficient when mixing DV sources with MPEG2. And with all the noise, in each cap, there will probably be a loads of cases where the same pixel has noise in each of 3 caps.


I'd also love additional captures of the recent Sci-Fi airings to kill the noise.

I have about one-and-a-half HQ DVR caps of the SciFi. I don't know if Molly kept her RW's. I kept meaning to ask her for them. (In fact, I'd like to have copies of the Telemundo, and maybe the others, on the trillion-to-one chance that I'd someday try to zap the logos with compositing). Let us know if any of those other stations run Waterworld again!

shepp74 where arrre youuuu? (Sung to the tune of "Car 54 Where Are You?"... uh, never mind, ancient tv show).

In particular, I have a shot that's partially covered by a Sci-Fi ad on the bottom. The shot takes place when we come back from a commercial and Helen wakes up on the Atol right before the smokers attack.

I guess that's been taken care of on the re-airing, huh?

HELP! THIS PROJECT IS HOGGING 454 GIGS!

LOL!

Now that it's too late, Lagarinth might take up slightly less space than Huffy. (Huffyuv's speed is needed for capturing to lossless, but it supposedly compresses a little less well).


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I've just got the one copy here, pretty much ready to send out to someone, dunno who that someone'll be though...

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Jaiman Tuckuh, I appreciate your input on the average vs. denoise issue. I just got a really crazy idea: what if I averaged the average clip with the denoise clip? It gives me a solid mix between the two:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/snapshot20070629210114.jpg

I have about one-and-a-half HQ DVR caps of the SciFi. I don't know if Molly kept her RW's. I kept meaning to ask her for them.

Both captures would be most appreciated, assuming Shepp doesn't share his. I believe with averaging, the more caps the, merrier!

3 copies is enough for "Toot", which should work wonders. But it probably won't be as efficient when mixing DV sources with MPEG2.

I can't even find Toot! Nothing but broken links...

In particular, I have a shot that's partially covered by a Sci-Fi ad on the bottom. The shot takes place when we come back from a commercial and Helen wakes up on the Atol right before the smokers attack.

I guess that's been taken care of on the re-airing, huh?


Does this answer your question?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/Stargate.jpg

Unfortunately, all the same commercial breaks are present, with more annoying ads. ReverendBeastly's Encore cap will likely go a long way towards fixing that problem. And if compositing with the Encore is possible, I'll do it.