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My feelings exactly - but if they do choose to remove it, wouldn't the best thing be to just paint it out of the LD capture?
I think that's not the only difference between the two crawls, the original had a different word alingment.
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Originally posted by: corellian77
For what it's worth, I think the X0 team should leave the "Episode IV: A New Hope" in the crawl. I've literally been watching Star Wars for as long as I can remember (I was born in '77), and having grown up watching ANH on home video, that's the opening crawl I (and presumably many other people) have grown up with and love.
I saw SW 7 or 8 times in theaters in the late-70s and early 80s. Then I didn't see it again for about 10 years - needless to say I was shocked when I saw the Episode IV A New Hope in the title. Having said that, since the X0 is fundamentally a preservation of the laserdisc, I think it should include ANH in the crawl. Maybe offer it without, as an option. For what it's worth, I think the X0 team should leave the "Episode IV: A New Hope" in the crawl. I've literally been watching Star Wars for as long as I can remember (I was born in '77), and having grown up watching ANH on home video, that's the opening crawl I (and presumably many other people) have grown up with and love.
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Originally posted by: Puggo - Jar Jar's "Yoda"Having said that, since the X0 is fundamentally a preservation of the laserdisc, I think it should include ANH in the crawl. Maybe offer it without, as an option.
I think that's about how I feel as well.
It's great to see this thread on the front page where it belongs....the only thing that could be better would be a new screen shot or two....
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Because the film has judder, the "blank space" might still be visible, and distracting. It's not impossible to overcome, but very tedious (much like everything else we've been doing with this transfer.
)"I think that's not the only difference between the two crawls, the original had a different word alingment."
Correct.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"but if they do choose to remove it, wouldn't the best thing be to just paint it out of the LD capture?"
Because the film has judder, the "blank space" might still be visible, and distracting. It's not impossible to overcome, but very tedious (much like everything else we've been doing with this transfer. )
"but if they do choose to remove it, wouldn't the best thing be to just paint it out of the LD capture?"
Because the film has judder, the "blank space" might still be visible, and distracting. It's not impossible to overcome, but very tedious (much like everything else we've been doing with this transfer.
) I'd happily take a stab at it for you - I'm good with judder
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I hope the XØ team will keep the "A New Hope" crawl (and maybe offer the option of the original one from the GOUT).
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I don't think it would be jarring combining the GOUT crawl with the X0 since the GOUT crawl is already much better quality than the rest of the GOUT transfer as it's clearly taken from a higher quality source.
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But I "support" the X0 team, and you should too....
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Artoo in the canyon:
First, let me say that I had SW burned into my head in its theatrical run, so that has always been my reference. It is also quite understandable that those whose were first initiated with any one of the video issues would tend to feel more at home with that.
That said, it has always been my impression that about the only thing they DID get right in the more recent transfers was the proper exposure. All of the earlier transfers were probably done by the in house transfer departments at FOX Video (Domestic, Japanese, whatever). I am reasonably confident that they did not have the benefit of the filmmaker’s or DP’s input or a timed print to reference. Without any specific guidance, I imagine it was a matter of getting it to look acceptable overall and moving on to the next job.
Although all the exteriors from Artoo in the canyon up to the longshot of the sandcrawler coming over the dune were shot “day for night” (shot in daylight but several stops underexposed with filters to simulate various shades of night), I believe the intent was always to convey a gradual transition from twilight of the first day into the morning of the second. Furthermore, it’s doubtful that any production stills of these scenes would reflect the exposure offsets or filtering applied to the actual camera footage.
I can offer a couple of examples to support this – shot off a theater screen in ’77.
I don’t mean to suggest that the still images of these frames represent any sort of definitive reference. I present it only to illustrate that when compared to shots of daylight scenes taken with the same camera settings, the two of Artoo in the canyon appear quite dark in comparison.
For the record, this is not at all uncommon in video transfers of scenes that were shot “day for night”. Another good example is the Mount Rushmore sequence in North by Northwest, which in the story’s timeline takes place at night. This was botched on transfer after transfer to appear as if shot on a sunny afternoon until the most recent one where they finally got it right.
Opening crawl:
Again, considering my reference of choice, my vote would be for the original. If you listen to the music against the original crawl, you may notice that as each of the 3 paragraphs unfolds on the screen, it is in sync with the downbeat of three distinct musical statements, as well as the previously mentioned sting that syncs with the reveal of Tatooine. I always thought this happened by design (a notion I have more recently come to doubt) and was always bothered by how the inclusion of “A New Hope” destroyed the rhythm of this sequence.
Lastly, one more frame from ’77, just to further corroborate the authenticity of the GOUT crawl:
If you look at the position of the few stars that were bright enough to register on the photo, they clearly match that of the same frame from the GOUT.
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What I know is that for the 1986 laserdisc release of Star Wars, these scenes shot "day for night" look more like daytime shots, and in 1993 they look like nighttime shots. Were these shots adjusted in 1993 to match the original print or was this another "deliberate creative decision"? I don't know the answer to that question, but here are a couple other things I've noticed that differ in between the JSC and the DC/Faces/GOUT:
SC-DC Comparison
The '93 versions have a different fade out and fade in from the part where 3PO says, "Why I should stick my neck out for you..." to "Thank the Maker!". The fade out beginning at 01:19:28:18 (X0 TC Print time) happens about 30 frames sooner on the SC. Why does this happen? Your guess is as good as mine.
Additionally, in the shot of 3PO being lowered into the oil bath, the lights on the back wall actually change color on the '93 versions, but not on the SC. This is the exact same shot though, so there was obviously some sort of additional color timing done to this shot. It makes one wonder if the color changes to the canyon shots were done after the fact as well - as in these were not present on the original film print.
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I contacted them recently to see if they have any plans to screen this again for the 30th anniversary and i was told that they had got into a lot of trouble showing this version and it was recalled immediately after. When our old main cinema was closed down and demolished they found a copy of the print in the vaults which they shouldn't have had. So it looks like lucasfilm really doesn't want the original ever to be shown again. Pity but it was well worth the £2 admission fee.
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Originally posted by: Zion
The '93 versions have a different fade out and fade in from the part where 3PO says, "Why I should stick my neck out for you..." to "Thank the Maker!". The fade out beginning at 01:19:28:18 (X0 TC Print time) happens about 30 frames sooner on the SC. Why does this happen? Your guess is as good as mine.
The '93 versions have a different fade out and fade in from the part where 3PO says, "Why I should stick my neck out for you..." to "Thank the Maker!". The fade out beginning at 01:19:28:18 (X0 TC Print time) happens about 30 frames sooner on the SC. Why does this happen? Your guess is as good as mine.
In the film, there is a reel change at that point (the new reel starts with the scene where 3PO says "Thank the Maker!")... not sure if that may have influenced the difference in fade out. Maybe the print master used to create the SC was rough around the edges at the end of that reel, and so the fade was bumped forward to compensate? Just speculation on my part...
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I contacted them recently to see if they have any plans to screen this again for the 30th anniversary and i was told that they had got into a lot of trouble showing this version and it was recalled immediately after. When our old main cinema was closed down and demolished they found a copy of the print in the vaults which they shouldn't have had. So it looks like lucasfilm really doesn't want the original ever to be shown again.
That's the third example I've heard of. Fucking LFL.
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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
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Originally posted by: Zion
SC-DC Comparison
The '93 versions have a different fade out and fade in from the part where 3PO says, "Why I should stick my neck out for you..." to "Thank the Maker!". The fade out beginning at 01:19:28:18 (X0 TC Print time) happens about 30 frames sooner on the SC. Why does this happen? Your guess is as good as mine.
Additionally, in the shot of 3PO being lowered into the oil bath, the lights on the back wall actually change color on the '93 versions, but not on the SC. This is the exact same shot though, so there was obviously some sort of additional color timing done to this shot. It makes one wonder if the color changes to the canyon shots were done after the fact as well - as in these were not present on the original film print.
SC-DC Comparison
The '93 versions have a different fade out and fade in from the part where 3PO says, "Why I should stick my neck out for you..." to "Thank the Maker!". The fade out beginning at 01:19:28:18 (X0 TC Print time) happens about 30 frames sooner on the SC. Why does this happen? Your guess is as good as mine.
Additionally, in the shot of 3PO being lowered into the oil bath, the lights on the back wall actually change color on the '93 versions, but not on the SC. This is the exact same shot though, so there was obviously some sort of additional color timing done to this shot. It makes one wonder if the color changes to the canyon shots were done after the fact as well - as in these were not present on the original film print.
In the 1995 PAL release there's a few frames missing at every reel change including this point, but the fadein is not much different from the DC, but anyway, I think the release containing the most frames must be closest to the original.
The changing lights on the wall must be an optical glitch in the DC transfer, you can see that there's an abrupt change in brightness behind 3P0 just as the greenish lights changes to red. And in the 1995 PAL THX release which was done two years after the DC, the lights are the same as in the 1986 JSC.
If you look at Moth3r's 1977 WS bootleg which is overall brownish/yellowish in color, the greenish lights on the wall should actually be much more bluish, so maybe the blue colors on the print was fading to green aready in 1986.
In the bootleg the canyon scenes also appear darker, but this being a several generation video copy it's very difficult to judge.
In the 1995 PAL THX the canyon scenes appear slightly brighter than the DC but clearly not as bright as the JSC.
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WHEN are we going to see the X0 transfer complete?
I know you guys don't know for sure, but how about a guess? How much is done so far? 20%? 50%
Can you ballpark a release? 6 months? 12 months?
It really would be nice to have an idea... I'm holding off an getting any of the previous LD preservations because clearly this one will best them all.
How about a guess?
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This is a request to the X0 team if there is anything we can do to help, you guys need to make it known.... I think a while back MeBeJedi was in need of a bigger hard drive or something....stuff like that we could easily take care of if we knew the need existed....
And just a friendly reminder Zion, anytime you could get the tee-shirts up and running, I'm sure there would be quite a few orders for them....wink wink
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(I haven't had time to do my own home videos......fucking X0 Project.
) <span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
As I said before, I got a 1 TB external hard drive........and it's almost full.
(I haven't had time to do my own home videos......fucking X0 Project. )
As I said before, I got a 1 TB external hard drive........and it's almost full.
(I haven't had time to do my own home videos......fucking X0 Project.
) Could everyone who follows this thread get over the X0 site and donate what they can? If just 30 to 40 people would just donate what they can I'm sure it would go a long way to getting another HD for MeBeJedi......
I just think we need to show some support and give back to these guys....because as far as I can tell the X0 project is the best option to one day show my kids what the trilogy was like BEFORE GL fucked it all up.....
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If you donate to my car fund, I'll let you all have one ride each!
That's fair, yeah?
Cool...
I'll start a new thread
The "HotRods new HotRod fund" thread
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Originally posted by: HotRod
I need a new car.
If you donate to my car fund, I'll let you all have one ride each!
That's fair, yeah?
Cool...
I'll start a new thread
The "HotRods new HotRod fund" thread
I need a new car.
If you donate to my car fund, I'll let you all have one ride each!
That's fair, yeah?
Cool...
I'll start a new thread
The "HotRods new HotRod fund" thread
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