Originally posted by: sean wookie

Originally posted by: Arnie.d
32 people killed by the same person is indeed a lot, but isn't 32 about the average number of people that are killed every single day by guns in the US?

Americans sure are irresponsible with guns, one reason why I support gun control. Why does any one watch Fox News? It is just about the most baised of news channels.

Riiight, that'll fix it. So the person is irresponsible, yet we should ban the gun? Why not jail the person? When someone is caught with a DUI, they don't ban the car, they fine the person or send them to jail. Why are guns different? More people die each year in drunk driving related accidents than by guns. That's a fact.

You know what else is a fact? The punishment for a felon to even touch a firearm is an automatic 25 years to life prison sentence. That means that if you're a felon and you even handle a gun, you're suppose to go to jail. So you'd think that if a felon walks into a gun store, handles some firearms, and then fills out the background check that they'd prosecute them. You'd be wrong. In states that have waiting periods, the buyer is simply turned down. In states that have instant checks, I don't even think there's been a case of a known criminal trying to purchase a gun (at least none I've read about). It would be pretty stupid for a felon to walk into a gun store in Arizona and attempt to buy a gun, especially since all the employees are usually armed.

Arnie: It depends on how you define killed. Yes, there are a lot of gun deaths each day. There are suicides, murders, accidents, self defense, and others. Millions of lives are saved each year through self defense uses of firearms. Hundreds or thousands are killed each year by suicide and murder. But if they didn't have a gun, they'd just use a different weapon, like a bat, crowbar, knife, or whatever else they could get their hands on.

Fox News is no less biased than CNN or any other local news channel. I sometimes find I have to get my news from 3 or 4 different places in order to get all the facts. Local news and CNN both have a tendency to leave out key details. Fox News does it as well sometimes, which is why I get news from other sources as well.

Just because you don't want to use your rights to defend yourself and your family, don't remove mine. If you don't like guns and don't want them around or want to be around them, fine. But don't try to take mine away.

EDIT: Regarding laws in Germany, even I agree with most of those laws. This is a country that tried to take over the world twice. Therefore a lot of things people can do in other countries are outright banned there. It's not because they're a "police state", it's because they don't even want to take a chance of history repeating itself...again.