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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine
Hard for the characters, as in Obi-Wan explaining to Luke? Well, nothing has to change otherwise. When Obi-Wan tells Luke his father's history, Obi-Wan doesn't know that Vader's his father; he assumed the entire time that Anakin was. (In my scenario, Vader didn't reveal his impending fatherhood because he didn't know about it himself, nor did he care - he was just fulfilling his role as the Emperor's mole)
So how does Vader know that Luke is his son? Inductive reasoning. Last name Skywalker, considers the possibility that he may have impregnated Padme during his "mole time", he can sense Luke's midichlorian count, uh, I mean, strength in the Force. Presumably, Vader's own strength in the Force permits him to put all of that evidence together - after all, he located the Rebels after a quick viewing of the powr generators on Hoth.
The only thing lacking with this storyline is Obi-Wan's explanatin to Luke - the content is more consistent than before, but not entirely consistent.
"A young Jedi named Darth Vader - who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil - helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father...now the Jedi are all but extinct."
In the Anakin-clone scenario, Vader didn't betray; in a betrayal you first earn the confidence of the victim. The Episode III dialogue explaining that away would have been very...contrived.
Plus, in this scenario, the POV scene would have needed to be redone with Ewan McGregor giving all-new dialogue. I liked McGregor as Obi-Wan a lot, but the last thing ROTJ needs is the insertion of one of the PT actors as a Force ghost to...oh, that's been done already. Disregard.
Originally posted by: Tiptup
Pretty sweet idea. A little hard to explain though.
Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine
Well, Obi-Wan still would have lied, since he claimed Vader murdered his father...UNLESS...
During the Clone Wars, Anakin was cloned without his knowledge - that clone, subservient to Palpatine, would become Darth Vader. He would have killed Anakin, infiltrated the Jedi Order, impregnated Padme (who assumed it was Anakin the entire time), and when the destruction of the Jedi was nearly complete, reveal everything to Obi-Wan in a Bond-villainesque kind of way. The one thing Darth Vader didn't plan on, in this scenario, was Obi-Wan beating him down in a duel near a volcano.
How does that twist work?
Well, Obi-Wan still would have lied, since he claimed Vader murdered his father...UNLESS...
During the Clone Wars, Anakin was cloned without his knowledge - that clone, subservient to Palpatine, would become Darth Vader. He would have killed Anakin, infiltrated the Jedi Order, impregnated Padme (who assumed it was Anakin the entire time), and when the destruction of the Jedi was nearly complete, reveal everything to Obi-Wan in a Bond-villainesque kind of way. The one thing Darth Vader didn't plan on, in this scenario, was Obi-Wan beating him down in a duel near a volcano.
How does that twist work?
Pretty sweet idea. A little hard to explain though.
Hard for the characters, as in Obi-Wan explaining to Luke? Well, nothing has to change otherwise. When Obi-Wan tells Luke his father's history, Obi-Wan doesn't know that Vader's his father; he assumed the entire time that Anakin was. (In my scenario, Vader didn't reveal his impending fatherhood because he didn't know about it himself, nor did he care - he was just fulfilling his role as the Emperor's mole)
So how does Vader know that Luke is his son? Inductive reasoning. Last name Skywalker, considers the possibility that he may have impregnated Padme during his "mole time", he can sense Luke's midichlorian count, uh, I mean, strength in the Force. Presumably, Vader's own strength in the Force permits him to put all of that evidence together - after all, he located the Rebels after a quick viewing of the powr generators on Hoth.
The only thing lacking with this storyline is Obi-Wan's explanatin to Luke - the content is more consistent than before, but not entirely consistent.
"A young Jedi named Darth Vader - who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil - helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father...now the Jedi are all but extinct."
In the Anakin-clone scenario, Vader didn't betray; in a betrayal you first earn the confidence of the victim. The Episode III dialogue explaining that away would have been very...contrived.
Plus, in this scenario, the POV scene would have needed to be redone with Ewan McGregor giving all-new dialogue. I liked McGregor as Obi-Wan a lot, but the last thing ROTJ needs is the insertion of one of the PT actors as a Force ghost to...oh, that's been done already. Disregard.
Now that you mention it, it is very surprising Lucas hasn't made Ewan do all of Obi-Wan's force ghost appearances and replaced all of Alec Guinness' work.