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Don Imus and the race issue thread.

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"I think what this world needs to be rid of the most is the "my ancestors went through a tragedy so that gives me permission to be a jackass" attitude."

Also Al Sharpton is a huge lying asshole and racist. I want to see him apologize to the Duke players.
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We're in a scary place right now. The thought police are here, and we're them. The "masses" have assumed a group-think mentality that will not tolerate things they don't want to hear. The government has killed individual speech without firing a shot.
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The media has spoken with their silence. It's okay for black people to be clearly racist; it's not even okay for white people to say something that can be construed as racist.

For example, whatever else you think of Rush Limbaugh, his Donovan McNabb remarks were crticical of sports media; yet they were said to be racist and Limbaugh was put through a verbal ringer on TV and the Web.

And yet you have people like that moron in MontCalm's post, or Ward Churchill, who can aparently say whatever they want with impunity from their bosses or contemporaries. The rules are made up as we go, it seems. Is it good Don Imus is gone? Maybe. But why do we crucify him for one remark when people like Rosie O. Donnel can spew hatred for Jews, Christians, Lions, Tigers, Bears, and everything else under the sun on "The View" and not get fired?

Simple. She didn't say anything racist against black people or bigoted towards homosexuals, which seem to be the only unforgivable sins in media.

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I predict that Don Imus we'll be reemployed in a month on satellite radio. There are plenty of examples of this happening before. One radio station in the Inland Empire has already started playing "The Best of Imus". Within a week he'll be forgotten. Within a month, he'll be on satellite and most of his 3 million listeners will follow. His firing has cost CBS 15 million dollars. Someone out there is surely ready and willing to bring him on in order to bring in that much revenue.

I could be wrong about all this, but judging from the average American's attention span, I think he'll have a job in no time.
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I perceive the Rutgers comment to be the straw that broke the camel's back. If this were his first offense (or second or third), I think he would've gotten a pass. One thing that I firmly believe though that nobody mentions in this whole thing is that while political correctness is at an all-time high, it's highest in the sports journalism world. This higher-than-usual political correctness probably has to do with the high level of racial diversity in sports, and the people that follow sports. My guess is that if he had called people who are not associated with major athletics "nappy headed hos" nobody would have even noticed. But sports journalists have this knack of pouncing on anyone who says anything politically incorrect or that could even be perceived as being offensive in some way. Look at Bob Ryan. An esteemed journalist who's been around forever, gets pummeled by his colleagues and suspended from his job because he makes a harmless off-color remark about an obnoxious woman who deserves to be criticized. It's all gay.
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Well how about all the people saying that what he said makes their accomplishments meaningless. How's that? How does what he said do anything to their accomplishments? I didn't even know who Imus was until he made those comments. Even the day he made them, I saw headlines on Google News referencing Imus and I completely ignored them. It wasn't until the next day watching Fox News that I even began to find out who he was or what he'd said. And again, how does it hurt their accomplishments? And if it does hurt their accomplishments, how does firing him repair that? All firing him did was let CBS and MSNBC distance themselves from him.

So unless they're losing a scholarship or their grades suddenly tumble from some kind of emotional stress, I fail to see how his comments did anything to hurt them. Since the girls themselves have said how stupid the comments were knowing what they've accomplished, I don't think its had any effect on them whatsoever.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Well how about all the people saying that what he said makes their accomplishments meaningless. How's that? How does what he said do anything to their accomplishments? I didn't even know who Imus was until he made those comments. Even the day he made them, I saw headlines on Google News referencing Imus and I completely ignored them. It wasn't until the next day watching Fox News that I even began to find out who he was or what he'd said. And again, how does it hurt their accomplishments? And if it does hurt their accomplishments, how does firing him repair that? All firing him did was let CBS and MSNBC distance themselves from him.

So unless they're losing a scholarship or their grades suddenly tumble from some kind of emotional stress, I fail to see how his comments did anything to hurt them. Since the girls themselves have said how stupid the comments were knowing what they've accomplished, I don't think its had any effect on them whatsoever.


It was the fact that Sharpten, Jesse Jackson, and the media made a big deal out if it that I feel it tainted their accomplishment. I am so sick of Sharpten and Jackson trying so hard to make an issue out of nothing in order to keep their picture on the news. Them two have set race relations back 20 years every time they get on the news and spout their white hatred filled propaganda. It is ashame these guys invoke the great name of Martin Luther King, whom I firmly believe wanted equality and not superiority, I am sure Mr. King would be greatly saddened at how bastardized his sermons have become in the hands of these glory seeking morons. I don't like Imus, but he did not say anything in a demeaning or ridiculing manner, he made a stupid and bad joke, he is a moron. However, he does have the right to be stupid. I am sure if Snoop Dog was on his radio show and commented that the Tennessee teams was full of "White trash bitches" not one thing would have been said. It is truly amazing that in just over 125 years, we have come from the immoral practice of slavery and treating humans as property to total equality, and some are still not happy. Disregarding a few, I firmly believe white against black racism is virtually dead. In this 2007 a black person can deservedly go to college, become a C.E.O., be the most powerful and richest TV personality to date, and achieve a legendary status in a particular sport why should they worry about a bad joke a washed up old radio jock states. It is completely ridiculous and menial.
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The one person you left out of that list is Condoleeza Rice. In this case, she's just as guilty as the rest of them for saying that this reduces their accomplishments. It does nothing of the sort.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Well how about all the people saying that what he said makes their accomplishments meaningless. How's that? How does what he said do anything to their accomplishments? I didn't even know who Imus was until he made those comments. Even the day he made them, I saw headlines on Google News referencing Imus and I completely ignored them. It wasn't until the next day watching Fox News that I even began to find out who he was or what he'd said. And again, how does it hurt their accomplishments? And if it does hurt their accomplishments, how does firing him repair that? All firing him did was let CBS and MSNBC distance themselves from him.

So unless they're losing a scholarship or their grades suddenly tumble from some kind of emotional stress, I fail to see how his comments did anything to hurt them. Since the girls themselves have said how stupid the comments were knowing what they've accomplished, I don't think its had any effect on them whatsoever.


It was the fact that Sharpten, Jesse Jackson, and the media made a big deal out if it that I feel it tainted their accomplishment. I am so sick of Sharpten and Jackson trying so hard to make an issue out of nothing in order to keep their picture on the news. Them two have set race relations back 20 years every time they get on the news and spout their white hatred filled propaganda. It is ashame these guys invoke the great name of Martin Luther King, whom I firmly believe wanted equality and not superiority, I am sure Mr. King would be greatly saddened at how bastardized his sermons have become in the hands of these glory seeking morons. I don't like Imus, but he did not say anything in a demeaning or ridiculing manner, he made a stupid and bad joke, he is a moron. However, he does have the right to be stupid. I am sure if Snoop Dog was on his radio show and commented that the Tennessee teams was full of "White trash bitches" not one thing would have been said. It is truly amazing that in just over 125 years, we have come from the immoral practice of slavery and treating humans as property to total equality, and some are still not happy. Disregarding a few, I firmly believe white against black racism is virtually dead. In this 2007 a black person can deservedly go to college, become a C.E.O., be the most powerful and richest TV personality to date, and achieve a legendary status in a particular sport why should they worry about a bad joke a washed up old radio jock states. It is completely ridiculous and menial.


Exactly. Imus is a dumbass for his comment but I too sense an overreaction coming from the people you mention.

It's because he's in a powerful position. If it was some security guard down the block or YES, a typical gangsta rapper saying something similar or the same, they'd be laughed at and people would go back to their daily lives.

I'm almost inclined to believe Imus was being completely facetious (maybe he meant it, but then again maybe rappers mean all their lyrics), but when the sharks smelt blood, they went after him.

And college girls are curly headed hos.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
The one person you left out of that list is Condoleeza Rice. In this case, she's just as guilty as the rest of them for saying that this reduces their accomplishments. It does nothing of the sort.


Yes, but it is a good excuse. It is the same thing as blaming public school teachers or bullies on the playground for your childrens failures in life. I was bulied, anybody here wasn't? We're doing okay right? We are not going around shooting people or blowing them up. I also played Doom a bit back in the day, and my dad owned a gun. Strangely I never took it to school and killed people. Fancy that. Oh, and there are countless movies I have not seen in the theater, and oddly this is not because I pirate them.

All these things are scape goats. Blame somebody else or something else for the probelms. We don't want to make good movies, but it is the pirates faults. My child is a phychotic killer, but that is id softwares fault, oh and the bullies at school are at fault for this too.

It is very sad that statistically African Americans accomplish less than cacasians. There are a lot of whites that don't go anywhere in life either. Success takes motivation. Motivated people succeed, unmotivated people fail. The parents have a massive amount of influence over their kids, I think it is their duty to motivate them and make sure they know what the world has to offer them, regardless of what others tell them. It is also the individuals responsibilty to push them selves to succeed. This should not be a color or a race issue, this should be a human issue. Going around saying it is the fault of white people that black children don't grow up and succeed as often and white kids do, is a fruitless accusation. You are only widening the gap between the two races. You would think by now that gap should be shrinking, but I think it is things like this recent radio incident is what keeps the wound from healing. It is like picking at the scab, reopening the wound and watching blood ooze out. If we tear down the barriers, things might get better (a little and slowly), but if it is not one side of the race it is the other who insists on keeping the wall fully erect. Of course, this is all totally the fault of white people, simply because they make a good scape goat.

It is ashame we all have to live down the sins of our fathers. I shall forever have to answer for the crusades because I am Christian, and for slavery because I am white, though I took part in and lived through neither.

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There are two Black Americans which I greatly admire, being the ever venerable Bill Cosby and the Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson. Those guys are great Black Americans and more people need to rally around their causes. I think Reverend Peterson is probably more how Dr. King would be if he had lived. I have great respect for Dr. King and I damn sure wished that he would have lived.
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Am I the only one who finds the irony in Imus calling ANYBODY "nappy-headed?" If anybody needed a new barber, it was Imus. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black (and he DID call the kettle black).
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Seriously. Welcome to the 21st century.
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Article on Sharpton

"1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent -- the crime never occurred -- but Sharpton taunts him: "If we're lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it." Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair.

1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin's funeral he rails against the "diamond merchants" -- code for Jews -- with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, "No justice, no peace." A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting "Kill the Jews!" and stabbed to death.

1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart, Freddy's white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. "We will not stand by," he warns malignantly, "and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy's are spat on and cursed as "traitors" and "Uncle Toms." Some protesters shout, "Burn down the Jew store!" and simulate striking a match. "We're going to see that this cracker suffers," says Sharpton's colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy's, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno."


I lived in New York City when two of these incidents took place. I'm sorry mainstream media and the rest of America don't realize who Sharpton really is. He's just a hate mongering racist who travels around starting racial fires and keeping black\white race relations stirred up. Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee are more of the same. There's plenty of money to be made and plenty of fame to be had if they keep race relations in a constant state of unrest.
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent -- the crime never occurred -- but Sharpton taunts him: "If we're lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it." Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair.

1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin's funeral he rails against the "diamond merchants" -- code for Jews -- with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, "No justice, no peace." A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting "Kill the Jews!" and stabbed to death.

1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart, Freddy's white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. "We will not stand by," he warns malignantly, "and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy's are spat on and cursed as "traitors" and "Uncle Toms." Some protesters shout, "Burn down the Jew store!" and simulate striking a match. "We're going to see that this cracker suffers," says Sharpton's colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy's, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.


Yep, ol' Al sure is helping society. His hatred of the whites, the jewish, and pretty much A.O.T.B. (Anybody Other Than Blacks) is unexcusible. I have a few black friends who absolutely hate Sharpten, one told me if their was a way to vote him out he would, but how do you get rid of someone who is self appointed to a position they made up.
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Addressing the “Race Issue” portion of the thread…

I personally am sick of this whole African-American, Mexican-American and Asian-American PC bullshit…

IF you were born in the United States of America and no matter if you’re black, red, yellow, brown or white and even if you have African, Mexican or Polish ancestry or you may even be a naturalized citizen from another country but the honest truth is you are in NO way an African, Mexican, Asian or whatever…

YOU are an AMERICAN (for better or worse that is) regardless of your color or ethnic heritage.

I propose that we get into an intergalactic war with a very ugly non-human alien species that way we (collectively) can move beyond our petty racism and indulge in speciesism!

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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Article on Sharpton

"1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent -- the crime never occurred -- but Sharpton taunts him: "If we're lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it." Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair.

1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin's funeral he rails against the "diamond merchants" -- code for Jews -- with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, "No justice, no peace." A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting "Kill the Jews!" and stabbed to death.

1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart, Freddy's white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. "We will not stand by," he warns malignantly, "and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy's are spat on and cursed as "traitors" and "Uncle Toms." Some protesters shout, "Burn down the Jew store!" and simulate striking a match. "We're going to see that this cracker suffers," says Sharpton's colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy's, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno."


I lived in New York City when two of these incidents took place. I'm sorry mainstream media and the rest of America don't realize who Sharpton really is. He's just a hate mongering racist who travels around starting racial fires and keeping black\white race relations stirred up. Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee are more of the same. There's plenty of money to be made and plenty of fame to be had if they keep race relations in a constant state of unrest.


We can only hope that 50 or 100 years from now, when those guys are dead, that no one will have stepped into place to replace them. Maybe then race relations can get back on track to moving forward instead of sitting at a standstill or moving backward.
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Can't remember if I saw this on another thread, another board, or in email, but I finally found it again via Google.

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That was awesome ADM.

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