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Adding "the American way" would not be bad in my opinion because of the current administration, it has nothing to do with that.
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Excuse me? Are you saying, that based on your (in my opinion erroneous) view that Bush is somehow unjust and untruthful, that America no-longer stnads for truth and justice? That's incredibly near-sighted. Did anyone say America was inherently untruthful and unjust when Clinton was being impeached for lying under oath? Or was Nixon's sin somehow the fault of the American people?

No, that's honestly not at all what I meant. I meant the phrase has nothing to do with the government and linking it would be stupid. So Bush being President doesn't even matter.
And that whole Clinton thing was so blown out of proportion. Who gives a fuck who he fucks. Damn right he lied about it. It's a private matter, doesn't hurt anyone else and has nothing to do with his ability as President. And he admitted his mistake later.
Now, making up fake evidence for weapons of mass destruction that's something different. It got countless thousands killed, costs an enormous ammount of money and what not. And Bush got away with it. Didn't even admit he was wrong. Ofcourse he doesn't, he thinks he's carrying out Gods plan for the world.


Yes C3PX, it sounds a bit cheesy but I didn't realise he was so "American". So if the original phrase was "truth, justice and the American way" than that's what should have been in the movie. Could be a good fan-edit!
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
And that whole Clinton thing was so blown out of proportion. Who gives a fuck who he fucks. Damn right he lied about it. It's a private matter, doesn't hurt anyone else and has nothing to do with his ability as President. And he admitted his mistake later.

It wasn't about what he did! It's about lying under oath (ya know, perjury and all that other stuff).

Originally posted by: Arnie.d

Now, making up fake evidence for weapons of mass destruction that's something different. It got countless thousands killed, costs an enormous ammount of money and what not. And Bush got away with it. Didn't even admit he was wrong. Ofcourse he doesn't, he thinks he's carrying out Gods plan for the world.


Yep, he made up all that evidence and everyone else believed it too. The British government and plenty of Democratic Senators. He made it all up and everyone (including people who disagree with him on everything) believed it.

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It wasn't about what he did! It's about lying under oath (ya know, perjury and all that other stuff).

They shouldn't have asked him unimportant stuff like that under oath.

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Not really liking what was a pretty cool thread to turn so political, but I really feel like adding my two cents. If a democrat had "made up all that fake evidence" he would still be considered cool because the media would be on his side.

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Oh come on... Bush even won the elections because the media was on his side.
But I'll stop it now, back on topic. What about...

Thirteen Days
Born On The 4Th Of July
Pearl Harbor
Independance Day
The Deer Hunter
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Oh come on... Bush even won the elections because the media was on his side.
But I'll stop it now, back on topic. What about...


Hmm, I must have missed the part where the media was on his side. Would have been something to see too.


We calling those movies typically American, Republican or Democratic? I am not sure if I could divide any of those to place them on the Repubs or the Demos sides, but they all have extremely American themes straight from their names to their content. The Patriot would fit nicely in that list too.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I think The Patriot would fall into a strictly conservative category. I remember the outcry from the left when they showed the kids using guns. Oh the horror!

For the record, I have a son now. I'll be showing him how to safely handle firearms at a young age (he's 4 months old, as soon as he can hold things is when I start). Children shouldn't, imo, be taught to fear firearms. They at least need to be taught to get an adult if they find one. At best they should be taught how to use and/or disarm one. Even if you don't want your kids using guns, at least teach them to get an adult if they find one. Not knowing what a gun can do and not knowing to get an adult if one is found can be disastrous.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
...the media was on his side.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Good one!

Born On The 4Th Of July
Thirteen Days
The Deer Hunter


Not seen these.

Pearl Harbor
Independance Day


Pearl Harbor is pretty much neutral. It's just a love story set in the context of that War.

Independence Day has some conservative themes (fight to kill your enemies, don't show them kindness once they've proven hostile) and some traditionally liberal ones (the idea that America needs its enemies to help fight the alien threat, for example). Overall I'd say it's more patriotic than overtly political.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
...the media was on his side.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Good one!

Born On The 4Th Of July
Thirteen Days
The Deer Hunter


Not seen these.

Pearl Harbor
Independance Day


Pearl Harbor is pretty much neutral. It's just a love story set in the context of that War.

Independence Day has some conservative themes (fight to kill your enemies, don't show them kindness once they've proven hostile) and some traditionally liberal ones (the idea that America needs its enemies to help fight the alien threat, for example). Overall I'd say it's more patriotic than overtly political.


I remember people commenting on this one when it was theaters that people cheered when the White House was blown up, but they also cheered when the aliens were defeated, kind of reflected the attitude of the people then. They were aggravated with the President, but still proud of their country.
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
I think The Patriot would fall into a strictly conservative category. I remember the outcry from the left when they showed the kids using guns. Oh the horror!

For the record, I have a son now. I'll be showing him how to safely handle firearms at a young age (he's 4 months old, as soon as he can hold things is when I start). Children shouldn't, imo, be taught to fear firearms. They at least need to be taught to get an adult if they find one. At best they should be taught how to use and/or disarm one. Even if you don't want your kids using guns, at least teach them to get an adult if they find one. Not knowing what a gun can do and not knowing to get an adult if one is found can be disastrous.


They bitched about that? Incredible.

Showing children how to safely handle firearms seems good to me. But as soon as they can hold a gun? Seems a bit soon to me.

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Originally posted by: lordjedi
I think The Patriot would fall into a strictly conservative category. I remember the outcry from the left when they showed the kids using guns. Oh the horror!

For the record, I have a son now. I'll be showing him how to safely handle firearms at a young age (he's 4 months old, as soon as he can hold things is when I start). Children shouldn't, imo, be taught to fear firearms. They at least need to be taught to get an adult if they find one. At best they should be taught how to use and/or disarm one. Even if you don't want your kids using guns, at least teach them to get an adult if they find one. Not knowing what a gun can do and not knowing to get an adult if one is found can be disastrous.

Yeah, I'll teach my children how to you firearms too. I think it is better to understand them and know how they work than to fear them. Also if they have gun training by their dad, and have been allowed to touch and use the things under supervision, I think they are less likely to say "Whoa! A gun! Awesome." and start flashing the thing around if they ever stumble upon one by chance. That is actually a fairly common scenario in gun deaths by children. Fear and lack of understanding is a dangerous thing. This is where we are heading too. I am actually a bit afraid the government is going to get to a point where social services may have a case to look into taking you children away if it comes out that you are an irresponsible enough parent to teach your children how to use a gun.

Originally posted by: Arnie.d


They bitched about that? Incredible.

Showing children how to safely handle firearms seems good to me. But as soon as they can hold a gun? Seems a bit soon to me.


Yes, the "left" often has an outcry about things like this. One of the reason why those of us on the "right" are getting so fed up with it. We deal with this crap every day. Not to say every leftist is a fanatic about things like that, just that every fanatic like that is a leftist. Apparently, it is better to be less historically accurate in details like that than to show something as awful and unPC as children knowing how to safely handle and use fire arms.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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So is there only criticism when the movie is already in theatres or can it actually be blocked before something gets in theatres?
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No, they couldn't really ban a movie for something like that. Freedom of speech is still too important to us. They made a bigger deal about The Passion before it was released, but I think that actually helped boost ticket sales by having it constantly being discussed in the media. For a film to get banned in the states it would have to be really extreme. I think the more likely scenario would be the MPAA giving it a NC-17 or X rating then only getting released to cinemas that will show films with those ratings. Quite a few cinemas in America refuse to show anything above the R rating. But again, this would be for content such as extreme violence or sexual situations. Not for children using guns, all they can do is complain about things like that.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: lordjedi
I think The Patriot would fall into a strictly conservative category. I remember the outcry from the left when they showed the kids using guns. Oh the horror!

For the record, I have a son now. I'll be showing him how to safely handle firearms at a young age (he's 4 months old, as soon as he can hold things is when I start). Children shouldn't, imo, be taught to fear firearms. They at least need to be taught to get an adult if they find one. At best they should be taught how to use and/or disarm one. Even if you don't want your kids using guns, at least teach them to get an adult if they find one. Not knowing what a gun can do and not knowing to get an adult if one is found can be disastrous.


They bitched about that? Incredible.

Showing children how to safely handle firearms seems good to me. But as soon as they can hold a gun? Seems a bit soon to me.


I am a living testament that you need to teach your children about firearms if you plan to have one around. I am a cop now and my Dad has been for 36 years, whenever I was about 4 or 5 years old, my Dad took his really big and shiny .357 Magnum revolver from his duty belt, took all the ammo out of it, and handed it to me. He said, "Now, look at it, pull the trigger, see how it feels, but it is not a toy so you cannot play with it because it can hurt you and other people. But if you ever want to see it, just ask me anytime and I will let you see it." That whole experience pretty much crushed any curiosity I had about the gun and made it just another thing I saw that I'd already discovered. It no longer had the forbidden fruit aspect tied to it because I knew if I ever wanted to see it, I'd just ask Dad. I even had him show it to some of my friends, of course that was after my Dad had called their parents and got consent, but seeing as how my Dad was the Police Chief of the city, they all took his advice that it was better to explain guns to kids than hide it from them. Later on, whenever I was about 9 or 10, I asked him if I could shoot it because I was curious about what that felt like. Within hours, we were in the woods and he was showing me how to load, shoot, and safely handle the weapon. That had a profound effect on me and I carry on those principles today on the firing range it is also one of my many fond moments growing up and a cherished father/son moment that I often recall. I also learned that the gun is a one of the most elegant, powerful, and potentially disastrous things created by man and it had to be respected. I am now a Police Officer and have to carry a gun and have few around the house as well, and I know I will do the very same with my children whenever the time comes.
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Excellent post ferris! That is the way I feel exactly. Your dad seems a very wise man ferris.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Exactly Ferris. That's exactly how I plan to do it. Start with an empty weapon. Teach him the basics of how it works and how deadly it is. Move on to a loaded weapon once he's a little older.

The point is to remove any ignorance about the weapon. Give him an understanding of how they look, feel, and operate. Once the understanding is there, he'll stand a much better chance of handling things correctly if he comes across one in the wrong situation (like finding one randomly in someone elses house).

And Arnie, perhaps Clinton should learn to keep it in his pants, that way he won't have to answer questions like that.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Arnie.d
...the media was on his side.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Good one!

Born On The 4Th Of July
Thirteen Days
The Deer Hunter


Not seen these.

Pearl Harbor
Independance Day


Pearl Harbor is pretty much neutral. It's just a love story set in the context of that War.

Independence Day has some conservative themes (fight to kill your enemies, don't show them kindness once they've proven hostile) and some traditionally liberal ones (the idea that America needs its enemies to help fight the alien threat, for example). Overall I'd say it's more patriotic than overtly political.


I remember people commenting on this one when it was theaters that people cheered when the White House was blown up, but they also cheered when the aliens were defeated, kind of reflected the attitude of the people then. They were aggravated with the President, but still proud of their country.


You know, Clinton was in office at the time. The fact that people cheered then is both ammusing yet someone frightening to me.

But yeah, most Americans are proud of their country. It's the far-left nutjobs like Rosie O. Donnel and the far right religious fanataics like Fred Phelps that are ashamed of America.

The difference is that Phelps is a marginalized nobody who gets off to protesting at the funerals of Amish children and American soldiers while Rosie O. Donnel has a forum on a nationally syndicated and popular TV show.

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about Clinton being in office when Independance Day came out. You have got to love how America respects their leadership. Even more interesting is we elect our Presidents and they can only serve a max a eight years, and we can get rid of them at four. We get that fed up with a guy in just that short of time. Imagine monarchies of the past and how people would be stuck a lifetime with one ruler, sans the checks and balances. I guess when you have too much you tend to get pretty spoiled.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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4 years seems like a pretty long time to me. And remember that it hasn't always been limited to 8 years. It was only after FDR served 3 terms that congress limited the president to 2 terms max.

A lot can be done in 4 years, especially with the will of the people behind you.
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Wow, maybe we should take this to the politics thread. I'm already seeing advertisments for Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity books at the bottom of this page.

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You know what other movies that involved president characters which bug the **** out of me, and my wife likes these films, too...the first one, "American President" with Michael Douglas. I just want to throw things at the TV when it's on. Supposedly this "right wing president" suddenly sees the error of his way and he feels its his duty to "find every American a job!" Ugh! And the other is "Dave." Of course, it was semi-subtle way to get the public to associate these characters with Clinton. I guess since Clinton couldn't actually have a real presidential legacy, he had to have it fictionally created.
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Originally posted by: Dug
"American President" with Michael Douglas. I just want to throw things at the TV when it's on.


You too huh? You know, I broke a really good TV once because of that movie. In all seriousness, I really hate that movie. It is good to know I am not the only one who cringes uncontrollable at the mere mention of its title.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Another liberal movie, though it may not seem like it, is Jarhead. Yeah, I know it takes place during the first Gulf War, but it really looked like it was making fun of Marines. A guy basically wrote a book about his time over there and some Hollywood dork ripped it apart and made a movie out of it. I have two friends that have been in the Marines and both of them say that movie is nothing like being in the Marines. I think there's a couple of "real" depictions, one being when the shit was being burned (my Air Force brother has told me about those) and the other is at the end when the commander stops the sniper to watch the bad guy get bombed. Everything else in that movie was crap.

Star Trek IV: Save the Whales is another one. I'm having a real hard time coming up with titles that are either liberal or conservative. I tend to watch a lot of Action, Sci-Fi, and Fantasy, so unless there's an overt political message (there usually isn't), I don't notice it. Serenity could possibly be seen as conservative, though the backstory, I think, falls more in line with the Civil War than anything else.

EDIT: The thread title and mention of Clinton who knows how many times is what's making those ads show up. That and whoever mentioned those authors names.

Let's try this. Joss Whedon, Buffy, Angel, FireFly, Serenity, X-Men. Maybe that'll mix things up a bit.
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I've never heard of "American President" or "Dave"...
Why could Serenity be seen as conservative lordjedi? And do you think of X-men as conservative? I'm having a hard time comparing movies to political views. I never watch them in that way, searching for a political message. Especially sci-fi. Although Equilibrium got me thinking about government control a bit.
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Originally posted by: Dug
You know what other movies that involved president characters which bug the **** out of me, and my wife likes these films, too...the first one, "American President" with Michael Douglas. I just want to throw things at the TV when it's on. Supposedly this "right wing president" suddenly sees the error of his way and he feels its his duty to "find every American a job!" Ugh! And the other is "Dave." Of course, it was semi-subtle way to get the public to associate these characters with Clinton. I guess since Clinton couldn't actually have a real presidential legacy, he had to have it fictionally created.

I love "Dave" and I never associated it with dipicting a conservative turns liberal President. As a matter of fact, being a conservative, I was rather impressed with the fact the whole movie never ever mentions what party that President is with. I felt the stuff that Dave did was neither liberal nor conservative, just right. Which is what kind of President we need, one that sees past party affilations and just does what is right. Now "American President", yes, that was a liberal propaganda movie to me.

Originally posted by: C3PX
Excellent post ferris! That is the way I feel exactly. Your dad seems a very wise man ferris.


Thanks C3PX, yes my Dad is a great guy, I don't know what I'd ever do without him.