Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Okay, cool.
And I vote (again) for episode III. I think it will be more satisfying than Episode I. Episode I is a tough one, and I'd prefer to check out lth's Episode I edit before thinking more about it.
ROTJ has a lot of room for improvement. But I think we should handle the prequels first.
I wonder if we can get Adywan to insert the Starkiller Ranch logo at the beginning of his Episode IV.
Originally posted by: musicman
The only thing is, if Palps really is able to bring someone to life, then if Anakin knows that this is what happened, then he's going to say that they have to go bring Padme back.
Quite true. But there's nothing in ROTS that stops Anakin/Vader from turning to Palpatine after his big "NO" and asking "Now about that stopping people from dying stuff". This is a big plot hole. You would think it might come up at some point, and that Vader would find out about Palpatine's bluff. So having Vader die doesn't really change much, in my opinion.
Well, if the Dark Side is keeping him alive, then that's a step in the right direction. But then, why live? Well, he was already talking to Padme about overthrowing Palpatine, so that could be sort of his mission--only at this point it's coming out of revenge and anger, and he doesn't care who he has to kill to make his submission really convincing. Along the way, he's going to end up getting even more peeved to find out that Padme was still alive when he left her. (And, by the way, have we totally discarded the idea of making it seem like Padme's still alive at the end?) So he's plotting and scheming the whole time--in the Sith fashion. Now, Vader doesn't know when she's going to be buried, but in the film, Palpatine basically said, "Weeeell, I don't exactly know how to bring people to life, but if you and I put our heads together, we'll figure it out!" So in the film, I guess Vader just loses hope in the whole thing. But if Palps brings him back to life, and Anakin knows about it, then he'll know that it's still possible to bring her back if they hurry, which would make it so we would need more dialogue with Palpatine B.S.ing his way out of it. Either way, you're kind of pushing it, but at least there's kind of an explanation in there if he doesn't die. So, it seems the easiest way to solve this is to go with C3PX's variation where Anakin is alive, but he seems dead to Obi-Wan and the audience. However, if we can find a way to do your version, I'm all for it.
C3PX, as far as filling out the end, we can at least have the Dagobah arrival. It's not much, but it's more there. On the other hand, I'm wondering what the effect would be, after seeing that scene in the movie, once you get to ESB.
I'm neutral to the Dagobah scene. It's not bad, but it just doesn't do that much for me. Yoda's identity in ESB won't be a secret to the viewer, so the arrival scene doesn't break anything.
True. Really, the Qui-Gon dialogue would be the biggest part of the scene.
And that brings me to another thought--do we want to have the Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda stuff, a la ADM? I thought that was pretty cool, and the dialogue during the spinning shot addresses Yoda's guilt over the situation effectively.
I think the Qui Gon dialog is a must have, but IMHO I haven't seen an edit that pulled it off right yet.
In dialogue selection, audio quality/mixing, or both? I thought ADM's dialogue was pretty good, but the voice could've been a bit quieter. It stood out just a bit.
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
Pretty much. Except I might move Padme's funeral before Yoda's arrival.
The only thing is, if Palps really is able to bring someone to life, then if Anakin knows that this is what happened, then he's going to say that they have to go bring Padme back.
Quite true. But there's nothing in ROTS that stops Anakin/Vader from turning to Palpatine after his big "NO" and asking "Now about that stopping people from dying stuff". This is a big plot hole. You would think it might come up at some point, and that Vader would find out about Palpatine's bluff. So having Vader die doesn't really change much, in my opinion.
Well, if the Dark Side is keeping him alive, then that's a step in the right direction. But then, why live? Well, he was already talking to Padme about overthrowing Palpatine, so that could be sort of his mission--only at this point it's coming out of revenge and anger, and he doesn't care who he has to kill to make his submission really convincing. Along the way, he's going to end up getting even more peeved to find out that Padme was still alive when he left her. (And, by the way, have we totally discarded the idea of making it seem like Padme's still alive at the end?) So he's plotting and scheming the whole time--in the Sith fashion. Now, Vader doesn't know when she's going to be buried, but in the film, Palpatine basically said, "Weeeell, I don't exactly know how to bring people to life, but if you and I put our heads together, we'll figure it out!" So in the film, I guess Vader just loses hope in the whole thing. But if Palps brings him back to life, and Anakin knows about it, then he'll know that it's still possible to bring her back if they hurry, which would make it so we would need more dialogue with Palpatine B.S.ing his way out of it. Either way, you're kind of pushing it, but at least there's kind of an explanation in there if he doesn't die. So, it seems the easiest way to solve this is to go with C3PX's variation where Anakin is alive, but he seems dead to Obi-Wan and the audience. However, if we can find a way to do your version, I'm all for it.
C3PX, as far as filling out the end, we can at least have the Dagobah arrival. It's not much, but it's more there. On the other hand, I'm wondering what the effect would be, after seeing that scene in the movie, once you get to ESB.
I'm neutral to the Dagobah scene. It's not bad, but it just doesn't do that much for me. Yoda's identity in ESB won't be a secret to the viewer, so the arrival scene doesn't break anything.
True. Really, the Qui-Gon dialogue would be the biggest part of the scene.
And that brings me to another thought--do we want to have the Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda stuff, a la ADM? I thought that was pretty cool, and the dialogue during the spinning shot addresses Yoda's guilt over the situation effectively.
I think the Qui Gon dialog is a must have, but IMHO I haven't seen an edit that pulled it off right yet.
In dialogue selection, audio quality/mixing, or both? I thought ADM's dialogue was pretty good, but the voice could've been a bit quieter. It stood out just a bit.
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
Pretty much. Except I might move Padme's funeral before Yoda's arrival.
Okay, cool.
And I vote (again) for episode III. I think it will be more satisfying than Episode I. Episode I is a tough one, and I'd prefer to check out lth's Episode I edit before thinking more about it.
ROTJ has a lot of room for improvement. But I think we should handle the prequels first.
I wonder if we can get Adywan to insert the Starkiller Ranch logo at the beginning of his Episode IV.
As I read the reasonings, as well as getting in the ROTS discussions, I'm thinking that, yeah, it would be a good idea to start there. And, yes, the prequels should definitely be finished first.
And, I think the dubbings will really help Episode I. As I watched ADM's edit of Episode I recently, I was surprised at how, although certainly not on the same level as the OT or anything like that, I was actually enjoying it. There's some charm there, definitely. Part of it may have been my enjoyment in seeing a PT movie shot on film, but...
