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And, as far as the whole "should Anakin be able to appear" issue, I just figure Obi-Wan and Yoda brought him into it and I blissfully go my way.
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And, as far as the whole "should Anakin be able to appear" issue, I just figure Obi-Wan and Yoda brought him into it and I blissfully go my way.
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
You don't seem to get it, no Hayden or anyone that looks like him. Only Shaw.
You don't seem to get it, no Hayden or anyone that looks like him. Only Shaw.
Okay. This hasn't effected me, so I would still like a Hayden double. Yet, I propably should have the option to view Shaw instead of Hayden on the disc. Now we should shift our focus to fleshing out the Endor space battle with Clone Wars and Pirate tech. This is 1-6 after all. No offense is ment.
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Here's another one of my wacky ideas: Make Leia's identity as Luke's sister ambiguous.
This involves removing the following:
-naming the babies in ROTS
-talking about the babies' fates aboard the Tantive IV in ROTS
-dropping off the babies in ROTS
-the "last hope" "no, there is another" exchange in ESB
-Obi Wan naming Leia as Luke's sister in ROTJ
-Luke mentioning to Leia in ROTJ that she's his sister (he will still mention to her that he has a sister, just not that it's her)
Then we get to the end of ROTJ, where Leia kisses Han. Now this is the tricky bit. There are two ways you can go with this:
1) Leia is NOT Luke's sister - This scene needs to be tweaked in a way that still allows Han and Leia to have some kind of resolution. This has the advantage of leaving the identity ambiguous. I personally like a few loose ends in my Star Wars movies.
2) Leia IS Luke's sister - This scene stands as it is, and it now becomes a revelation scene. This is not as satisfying as option 1, but the viewer at least gets to think back and put all the pieces together for him/herself. And the viewer gets to share in Han's WTF expression.
Discuss!
Here's another one of my wacky ideas: Make Leia's identity as Luke's sister ambiguous.
This involves removing the following:
-naming the babies in ROTS
-talking about the babies' fates aboard the Tantive IV in ROTS
-dropping off the babies in ROTS
-the "last hope" "no, there is another" exchange in ESB
-Obi Wan naming Leia as Luke's sister in ROTJ
-Luke mentioning to Leia in ROTJ that she's his sister (he will still mention to her that he has a sister, just not that it's her)
Then we get to the end of ROTJ, where Leia kisses Han. Now this is the tricky bit. There are two ways you can go with this:
1) Leia is NOT Luke's sister - This scene needs to be tweaked in a way that still allows Han and Leia to have some kind of resolution. This has the advantage of leaving the identity ambiguous. I personally like a few loose ends in my Star Wars movies.
2) Leia IS Luke's sister - This scene stands as it is, and it now becomes a revelation scene. This is not as satisfying as option 1, but the viewer at least gets to think back and put all the pieces together for him/herself. And the viewer gets to share in Han's WTF expression.
Discuss!
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How to reveal all of this info is another matter.
It feels good to be back on track! The idea of more EU in these movies makes me nauseated.
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I do think it would be cool for Leia not to turn out to be Luke's sister, and then we don't have to cut out that hilarious shot with Threepio walking up to see Leia giving Luke a kiss in ESB. And, for the record, I was one who always rooted for Luke to end up with Leia. It does seem more in the spirit of the original, you know? That whole, old-school, serial thing. The main protagonist gets the girl. And it is also in keeping with Kurtz and Ford's wishes--that Han dies. I think it would have been cool if Han died saving the team on the sail barge, and then Luke goes nuts on the criminals. It's a shame there isn't the kind of footage to accomplish that...or is there? I don't suppose there would be. Han's pretty integral to the rest of the story. Oh, well. There's my little mini-rant about how things turned out.
But at least if we can make it so Luke and Leia aren't related, then that's a help.
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C3PX, I'm not sure if you've read it in this thread, but I've had a similar idea about Episode III and the lava scene. Except I take it one step further, and have Anakin actually die, and Obi Wan sees it happen. Then the Emperor retrieves his body and brings him back to life as Vader (with heavy modification of the construction of Vader scenes so that Anakin's body is motionless). This goes along with my "Power of the Dark Side" idea: it's Vader's loyalty to the Dark Side that keeps him alive. If he betrays his master, he ceases to live. If you think about how Obi Wan talks about Anakin in the OT, and how Vader says he must obey his master, this starts to make a lot of sense.
About the birth scenes in Episode III, I think the entire scene should stand as it is, with the exception of Padme naming both the twins. It makes no sense to have her name Luke but not Leia. The scene aboard Tantive IV is weak anyway ("Yeah, let's hide him with his family and let him keep his last name. Great plan!), so the entire discussion of the twins' fate should go, including "My wife and I have always wanted a daughter." (Maybe the tail end of this scene can be saved, where Yoda tells Obi Wan about his training on Tatooine.) Luke can be dropped off (it is a beautiful scene, and a good one to close on), but not Leia.
Musicman, I'm not positive, but I don't think Leia is referred to as Organa in ANH.
I would love it if Leia could not be Luke's sister (sorry to step on your EU, people). But I think it will be very hard to pull off. I don't see how Leia and Han can have any kind of reolution without it. Han should have died, but he didn't. We have to deal with that and work with what we have. So Han needs some kind of resolution.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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Erik, you could have Padme die right after naming Luke so Leia wouldn't have to be named. Still, Luke wouldn't have to be named either, as it is obvious who this kid is anyway. I do like the idea of a dead Anakin. Could be a cool twist.
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Originally posted by: musicman
Well, you still have the issue of Leia appearing in the OT as an Organa--it is explicitly referred to as Bail as her father in ANH, right, not just one of the people Obi-Wan worked with? I could've sworn she said Organa. That would take some editing to not have people putting two and two together pretty quick. Because in ROTS, the other baby gets taken with Bail--but, hmm...perhaps you could cut out Bail's line of "My wife and I have always wanted a daughter." If you leave out the naming of Leia, then it's very ambiguous.
I do think it would be cool for Leia not to turn out to be Luke's sister, and then we don't have to cut out that hilarious shot with Threepio walking up to see Leia giving Luke a kiss in ESB. And, for the record, I was one who always rooted for Luke to end up with Leia. It does seem more in the spirit of the original, you know? That whole, old-school, serial thing. The main protagonist gets the girl. And it is also in keeping with Kurtz and Ford's wishes--that Han dies. I think it would have been cool if Han died saving the team on the sail barge, and then Luke goes nuts on the criminals. It's a shame there isn't the kind of footage to accomplish that...or is there? I don't suppose there would be. Han's pretty integral to the rest of the story. Oh, well. There's my little mini-rant about how things turned out.
But at least if we can make it so Luke and Leia aren't related, then that's a help.
Well, you still have the issue of Leia appearing in the OT as an Organa--it is explicitly referred to as Bail as her father in ANH, right, not just one of the people Obi-Wan worked with? I could've sworn she said Organa. That would take some editing to not have people putting two and two together pretty quick. Because in ROTS, the other baby gets taken with Bail--but, hmm...perhaps you could cut out Bail's line of "My wife and I have always wanted a daughter." If you leave out the naming of Leia, then it's very ambiguous.
I do think it would be cool for Leia not to turn out to be Luke's sister, and then we don't have to cut out that hilarious shot with Threepio walking up to see Leia giving Luke a kiss in ESB. And, for the record, I was one who always rooted for Luke to end up with Leia. It does seem more in the spirit of the original, you know? That whole, old-school, serial thing. The main protagonist gets the girl. And it is also in keeping with Kurtz and Ford's wishes--that Han dies. I think it would have been cool if Han died saving the team on the sail barge, and then Luke goes nuts on the criminals. It's a shame there isn't the kind of footage to accomplish that...or is there? I don't suppose there would be. Han's pretty integral to the rest of the story. Oh, well. There's my little mini-rant about how things turned out.
But at least if we can make it so Luke and Leia aren't related, then that's a help.
Hmmm, Harrison Ford was all for the death of Han thing. Maybe we could convince him to film a few new scenes.
Isn't it kind of silly that they are shocked when Padme has twins? With our modern technology nobody gets shocks like this anymore right? Twins are very easily detected by ultrasound, so why would a civilization with faster than light space travel and creepy "ooba"ing robots to deliver your baby not be able to find this out? I mean it was clear Padme was pregnant so she had no reason to hid it and not go to the doctor, she lived on the weathliest planet in the galaxy and was filthy rich (do you have any idea how much an apartment like that costs in Coruscant the days!), so why wouldn't she know that she was having twins? And why wouldn't she tell her husband that she was going to have twins?
I think it might work just to lop off the scene after the birth of Luke, maybe even end with her scream and then somehow establish that she died. Since it is a robot maybe a sythezised female voice saying that we are loosing her, sir we need you to leave the room. With this Leia could potientially be Luke's sister, or not, depending on how ROTJ was edited (I don't see how Han-Leia-Luke triangle could be solved with out it though). It is easy enough to say after the fact that they were twins. Maybe after Luke's birth the next scene could be the funeral and Obi-Wan dropping Luke off at the Lars farm. It is a pretty abrupt end though. If the birth of Vader stuff was left in then I guess it would add the extra screen time needed to slow the pace of the ending to a reasonable speed. Even Lucas' ending is pretty rushed. Everything we have waited over 20 years to see happens in a tacked on blink of an eye at the end of three long and mostly pointless films.
I still think all these things should have happened in Ep. II and the closure of Padme dying, Luke being raised by Moisture Farmers, the birth of Darth Vader and the exile of Yoda and Obi should have been the premise of Ep.3. I think two confrontations between Anakin and Obi-Wan should have been made. The first was as a shock to Obi who could hardly bring himself to fight, this battle could have ended abruptly for some reason, maybe with Anakin loosing an apendage then escaping (mirroring ESB perhaps). In the next film, after Obi-Wan see what his old friend is capable of realizes that Anakin no longer exists, at the climax of the film Obi and Darth fight it out, with Anakin loosing and falling to his death, but unknown to Obi-Wan being saved by the Emperor. Of course none of this matters because that is not how it happened, I just like to dream sometimes.
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
C3PX, I'm not sure if you've read it in this thread, but I've had a similar idea about Episode III and the lava scene. Except I take it one step further, and have Anakin actually die, and Obi Wan sees it happen. Then the Emperor retrieves his body and brings him back to life as Vader (with heavy modification of the construction of Vader scenes so that Anakin's body is motionless). This goes along with my "Power of the Dark Side" idea: it's Vader's loyalty to the Dark Side that keeps him alive. If he betrays his master, he ceases to live. If you think about how Obi Wan talks about Anakin in the OT, and how Vader says he must obey his master, this starts to make a lot of sense.
About the birth scenes in Episode III, I think the entire scene should stand as it is, with the exception of Padme naming both the twins. It makes no sense to have her name Luke but not Leia. The scene aboard Tantive IV is weak anyway ("Yeah, let's hide him with his family and let him keep his last name. Great plan!), so the entire discussion of the twins' fate should go, including "My wife and I have always wanted a daughter." (Maybe the tail end of this scene can be saved, where Yoda tells Obi Wan about his training on Tatooine.) Luke can be dropped off (it is a beautiful scene, and a good one to close on), but not Leia.
Musicman, I'm not positive, but I don't think Leia is referred to as Organa in ANH.
I would love it if Leia could not be Luke's sister (sorry to step on your EU, people). But I think it will be very hard to pull off. I don't see how Leia and Han can have any kind of reolution without it. Han should have died, but he didn't. We have to deal with that and work with what we have. So Han needs some kind of resolution.
C3PX, I'm not sure if you've read it in this thread, but I've had a similar idea about Episode III and the lava scene. Except I take it one step further, and have Anakin actually die, and Obi Wan sees it happen. Then the Emperor retrieves his body and brings him back to life as Vader (with heavy modification of the construction of Vader scenes so that Anakin's body is motionless). This goes along with my "Power of the Dark Side" idea: it's Vader's loyalty to the Dark Side that keeps him alive. If he betrays his master, he ceases to live. If you think about how Obi Wan talks about Anakin in the OT, and how Vader says he must obey his master, this starts to make a lot of sense.
About the birth scenes in Episode III, I think the entire scene should stand as it is, with the exception of Padme naming both the twins. It makes no sense to have her name Luke but not Leia. The scene aboard Tantive IV is weak anyway ("Yeah, let's hide him with his family and let him keep his last name. Great plan!), so the entire discussion of the twins' fate should go, including "My wife and I have always wanted a daughter." (Maybe the tail end of this scene can be saved, where Yoda tells Obi Wan about his training on Tatooine.) Luke can be dropped off (it is a beautiful scene, and a good one to close on), but not Leia.
Musicman, I'm not positive, but I don't think Leia is referred to as Organa in ANH.
I would love it if Leia could not be Luke's sister (sorry to step on your EU, people). But I think it will be very hard to pull off. I don't see how Leia and Han can have any kind of reolution without it. Han should have died, but he didn't. We have to deal with that and work with what we have. So Han needs some kind of resolution.
Hmm...the Anakin dying thing is interesting, and gets rid of Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to die--it's more like he just kind of freezes, unable to come to a decision, only able to stand and watch in horror. The only thing is, if Palps really is able to bring someone to life, then if Anakin knows that this is what happened, then he's going to say that they have to go bring Padme back. So the only way you can work that is that it's at least fairly clearly that Anakin wasn't cognizent of his death--that he doesn't realize that's what happened. Otherwise we'll have to do some serious dubbing. I like the idea, but we do need to make sure we can execute it well.
Yeah, if you can save the end of the Tantive IV discussion, then that would be good. C3PX, as far as filling out the end, we can at least have the Dagobah arrival. It's not much, but it's more there. On the other hand, I'm wondering what the effect would be, after seeing that scene in the movie, once you get to ESB. And that brings me to another thought--do we want to have the Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda stuff, a la ADM? I thought that was pretty cool, and the dialogue during the spinning shot addresses Yoda's guilt over the situation effectively.
If the name Organa isn't mentioned, then you're safe. And, yes, it's true, I can't think of a way to resolve the triangle without the brother-sister thing... *sigh* maybe in twenty years when they've got perfect CG and voice duplication, we can do this thing right!
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
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If the name Organa isn't mentioned, then you're safe. And, yes, it's true, I can't think of a way to resolve the triangle without the brother-sister thing... *sigh* maybe in twenty years when they've got perfect CG and voice duplication, we can do this thing right!
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
Well, the flow works on paper at least. We ought to see a rough draft before we finalize everything.
The beauty of this direction for Episode III is that it can be done independantly of what we do for ROTJ. It seems like this is the right direction to take Episode III and what we end up doing for Jedi needs to fit Sith and not the other way around.
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Originally posted by: musicman
The only thing is, if Palps really is able to bring someone to life, then if Anakin knows that this is what happened, then he's going to say that they have to go bring Padme back.
Quite true. But there's nothing in ROTS that stops Anakin/Vader from turning to Palpatine after his big "NO" and asking "Now about that stopping people from dying stuff". This is a big plot hole. You would think it might come up at some point, and that Vader would find out about Palpatine's bluff. So having Vader die doesn't really change much, in my opinion.
C3PX, as far as filling out the end, we can at least have the Dagobah arrival. It's not much, but it's more there. On the other hand, I'm wondering what the effect would be, after seeing that scene in the movie, once you get to ESB.
I'm neutral to the Dagobah scene. It's not bad, but it just doesn't do that much for me. Yoda's identity in ESB won't be a secret to the viewer, so the arrival scene doesn't break anything.
And that brings me to another thought--do we want to have the Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda stuff, a la ADM? I thought that was pretty cool, and the dialogue during the spinning shot addresses Yoda's guilt over the situation effectively.
I think the Qui Gon dialog is a must have, but IMHO I haven't seen an edit that pulled it off right yet.
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
The only thing is, if Palps really is able to bring someone to life, then if Anakin knows that this is what happened, then he's going to say that they have to go bring Padme back.
Quite true. But there's nothing in ROTS that stops Anakin/Vader from turning to Palpatine after his big "NO" and asking "Now about that stopping people from dying stuff". This is a big plot hole. You would think it might come up at some point, and that Vader would find out about Palpatine's bluff. So having Vader die doesn't really change much, in my opinion.
C3PX, as far as filling out the end, we can at least have the Dagobah arrival. It's not much, but it's more there. On the other hand, I'm wondering what the effect would be, after seeing that scene in the movie, once you get to ESB.
I'm neutral to the Dagobah scene. It's not bad, but it just doesn't do that much for me. Yoda's identity in ESB won't be a secret to the viewer, so the arrival scene doesn't break anything.
And that brings me to another thought--do we want to have the Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda stuff, a la ADM? I thought that was pretty cool, and the dialogue during the spinning shot addresses Yoda's guilt over the situation effectively.
I think the Qui Gon dialog is a must have, but IMHO I haven't seen an edit that pulled it off right yet.
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
Pretty much. Except I might move Padme's funeral before Yoda's arrival.
And I vote (again) for episode III. I think it will be more satisfying than Episode I. Episode I is a tough one, and I'd prefer to check out lth's Episode I edit before thinking more about it.
ROTJ has a lot of room for improvement. But I think we should handle the prequels first.
I wonder if we can get Adywan to insert the Starkiller Ranch logo at the beginning of his Episode IV.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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Originally posted by: Marvolo
Honestly, I hate the idea of working on I, because it is such a horrible film in its current state. I hadn't thought about Jedi but now that you mention it, I like the idea of doing Jedi more than III. Its up to you all, but I liked the discussions and ideas that were brought up a while back about Jedi, and since Jedi has already been discussed some, I vote for Jedi.
Honestly, I hate the idea of working on I, because it is such a horrible film in its current state. I hadn't thought about Jedi but now that you mention it, I like the idea of doing Jedi more than III. Its up to you all, but I liked the discussions and ideas that were brought up a while back about Jedi, and since Jedi has already been discussed some, I vote for Jedi.
I think III would be the way to go. TM's SOTDS will still be the ranch Episode II right? So this is the logical place to continue. I honestly think it would be a big mistake to do them so out of order. If you work from the beginning to the end I think it will be easier to make them all snap together. If you do Jedi first, then you have to make Sith fit whatever changes were made in both II and VI. Episode I is nearly an impossible one to tackle, it would be good to get it out of the way, but it is in fact very minorly connected to the rest of the films and so there are not as many continuty problems to worry about but rather story problems, I think the difficulty of the edit would potentially be discouraging to the editors. Also since it is not as closely connected to the other five I don't think it is as important that this one be done in order as I think the others are.
Also as far as the ending, I agree with Erik, I don't feel the Yoda scene is that important. I kind of like the idea of not know what happened to him after ROTS until we get to ESB. Also while having Anakin literally die is an interesting idea, if the decision is not to go that way, the scene could still work with Obi-Wan watching in horror as his friend dies, Anakin could go limp and Obi and the audience assume he is dead, Obi turns and leaves to go save Padme. As their ship flies away we see another shot of Anakin's body, then a close up of his robotic hand and the fingers grasping the dirt letting us know that he is still alive. Fade to black. Next scene.
For my part I think it would be really cool to have that the very last we ever see of Anakin Skywalker until ROTJ. The audience will piece everything together when they hear about him being more machine than man and when they see his charred head in ESB. You get that he survived and was rescued, you don't get the details but from a story telling standpoint you do not need to.
Also the issue of Leia being called Organa won't give anything away. We meet Bail in ROTS so we will just connect the dots and realize that Leia is his daughter. If we only show Luke's birth and nothing of Leia at the end of ROTS. Then in ROTJ it does not matter if they are made to be twins or not, if they are to be twins then Obi-Wan's explaining that they were separated and hidden at birth will be the only explaination needed. We will figure that she had her right after Luke then died, then it is very easy to realize that Bail adopted her. He had loyalty to Padme and her cause, why not take care of and protect her daughter and raise her as his own. The editing out of the "Do you remember your mother, your real mother?" being clipped from Jedi will also fill a huge plot hole.
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Anakin could go limp and Obi and the audience assume he is dead, Obi turns and leaves to go save Padme. As their ship flies away we see another shot of Anakin's body, then a close up of his robotic hand and the fingers grasping the dirt letting us know that he is still alive. Fade to black. Next scene.
I don't think we could pull it off, but it would be interesting to see Anakin actually dead, but the creepy, robotic hand pull Anakin out of danger on it's own.
Back to reality, who's in charge of the Ranch these days? Could we get some decisions on this set in stone? I know we are waiting for SOTDS to be finished, but it shouldn't stop us from at least getting the pre-production done.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Anakin could go limp and Obi and the audience assume he is dead, Obi turns and leaves to go save Padme. As their ship flies away we see another shot of Anakin's body, then a close up of his robotic hand and the fingers grasping the dirt letting us know that he is still alive. Fade to black. Next scene.
Anakin could go limp and Obi and the audience assume he is dead, Obi turns and leaves to go save Padme. As their ship flies away we see another shot of Anakin's body, then a close up of his robotic hand and the fingers grasping the dirt letting us know that he is still alive. Fade to black. Next scene.
That would be so freakin cool! And when it cuts to the shot of his robotic hand, right when it grasps at the dirt I can think of one piece of the imperial march that would fit over that perfectly.
Edit:Here is a video showing C3PX's idea (sorta) and my idea with the piece of music I was talking about. Please comment on it, and remember it is rough cut. Fate of Anikan
P.S. The Yoda exchange isn't my work.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
I don't think we could pull it off, but it would be interesting to see Anakin actually dead, but the creepy, robotic hand pull Anakin out of danger on it's own.
Back to reality, who's in charge of the Ranch these days? Could we get some decisions on this set in stone? I know we are waiting for SOTDS to be finished, but it shouldn't stop us from at least getting the pre-production done.
Anakin could go limp and Obi and the audience assume he is dead, Obi turns and leaves to go save Padme. As their ship flies away we see another shot of Anakin's body, then a close up of his robotic hand and the fingers grasping the dirt letting us know that he is still alive. Fade to black. Next scene.
I don't think we could pull it off, but it would be interesting to see Anakin actually dead, but the creepy, robotic hand pull Anakin out of danger on it's own.
Back to reality, who's in charge of the Ranch these days? Could we get some decisions on this set in stone? I know we are waiting for SOTDS to be finished, but it shouldn't stop us from at least getting the pre-production done.
No, no, I don't mean his robot hand is acting of its own accord. This is the shot that actually exists, it is Anakin's robot hand, the only one left on his body and it is griping the ground in pain. I mean for the to be the close up shot. The only thing you would have to alter for my cut to work would be to make still fram Anakin but keep the lava in the background moving. It is beyond my ability, but I think it is easily enough done for someone with the know how.
I had considered making a mockup edit of my idea, thank Marvolo you saved me the trouble. Though I have not seen your clip yet, so I am not sure how it looks or how close it is to my idea. I like your idea of the imperial march bit in there. I am not sure which would fit the piece there better there, eerie music/silence or the imperial march.
EDIT: Just watched Marvolo's clip. That is very much what I had in mind, only I find a fade to black on that hand to transition to the next scene really add to it. And I really didnt think the imperial march fit. To upbeat. Maybe the next second of it would work better, the bit that is playing when Yoda first come on screen. Imagine if you edited out the groans of Anakin and made it so he wasn't moving in the distance shot, maybe even a shot of his still body burning to establish that he is dead, or at least that we and Obi are sure he is dead and not just leaving him to die, which is how it seem in the film.. I wish there was a slower shot of Obi watching in dispair. I still feel he leaves to quickly.
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"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)
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No, no, I don't mean his robot hand is acting of its own accord.
I was kidding around.
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Who are the current members of the ranch? - and what are their roles?
What is the current state of development?
Who is the project leader?
I wonder if we can get Adywan to insert the Starkiller Ranch logo at the beginning of his Episode IV.
Are you guys actually doing all 6 films or rather tagging other works as 'ranch aproved'?
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Okay, cool.
And I vote (again) for episode III. I think it will be more satisfying than Episode I. Episode I is a tough one, and I'd prefer to check out lth's Episode I edit before thinking more about it.
ROTJ has a lot of room for improvement. But I think we should handle the prequels first.
I wonder if we can get Adywan to insert the Starkiller Ranch logo at the beginning of his Episode IV.
Originally posted by: musicman
The only thing is, if Palps really is able to bring someone to life, then if Anakin knows that this is what happened, then he's going to say that they have to go bring Padme back.
Quite true. But there's nothing in ROTS that stops Anakin/Vader from turning to Palpatine after his big "NO" and asking "Now about that stopping people from dying stuff". This is a big plot hole. You would think it might come up at some point, and that Vader would find out about Palpatine's bluff. So having Vader die doesn't really change much, in my opinion.
Well, if the Dark Side is keeping him alive, then that's a step in the right direction. But then, why live? Well, he was already talking to Padme about overthrowing Palpatine, so that could be sort of his mission--only at this point it's coming out of revenge and anger, and he doesn't care who he has to kill to make his submission really convincing. Along the way, he's going to end up getting even more peeved to find out that Padme was still alive when he left her. (And, by the way, have we totally discarded the idea of making it seem like Padme's still alive at the end?) So he's plotting and scheming the whole time--in the Sith fashion. Now, Vader doesn't know when she's going to be buried, but in the film, Palpatine basically said, "Weeeell, I don't exactly know how to bring people to life, but if you and I put our heads together, we'll figure it out!" So in the film, I guess Vader just loses hope in the whole thing. But if Palps brings him back to life, and Anakin knows about it, then he'll know that it's still possible to bring her back if they hurry, which would make it so we would need more dialogue with Palpatine B.S.ing his way out of it. Either way, you're kind of pushing it, but at least there's kind of an explanation in there if he doesn't die. So, it seems the easiest way to solve this is to go with C3PX's variation where Anakin is alive, but he seems dead to Obi-Wan and the audience. However, if we can find a way to do your version, I'm all for it.
C3PX, as far as filling out the end, we can at least have the Dagobah arrival. It's not much, but it's more there. On the other hand, I'm wondering what the effect would be, after seeing that scene in the movie, once you get to ESB.
I'm neutral to the Dagobah scene. It's not bad, but it just doesn't do that much for me. Yoda's identity in ESB won't be a secret to the viewer, so the arrival scene doesn't break anything.
True. Really, the Qui-Gon dialogue would be the biggest part of the scene.
And that brings me to another thought--do we want to have the Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda stuff, a la ADM? I thought that was pretty cool, and the dialogue during the spinning shot addresses Yoda's guilt over the situation effectively.
I think the Qui Gon dialog is a must have, but IMHO I haven't seen an edit that pulled it off right yet.
In dialogue selection, audio quality/mixing, or both? I thought ADM's dialogue was pretty good, but the voice could've been a bit quieter. It stood out just a bit.
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
Pretty much. Except I might move Padme's funeral before Yoda's arrival.
The only thing is, if Palps really is able to bring someone to life, then if Anakin knows that this is what happened, then he's going to say that they have to go bring Padme back.
Quite true. But there's nothing in ROTS that stops Anakin/Vader from turning to Palpatine after his big "NO" and asking "Now about that stopping people from dying stuff". This is a big plot hole. You would think it might come up at some point, and that Vader would find out about Palpatine's bluff. So having Vader die doesn't really change much, in my opinion.
Well, if the Dark Side is keeping him alive, then that's a step in the right direction. But then, why live? Well, he was already talking to Padme about overthrowing Palpatine, so that could be sort of his mission--only at this point it's coming out of revenge and anger, and he doesn't care who he has to kill to make his submission really convincing. Along the way, he's going to end up getting even more peeved to find out that Padme was still alive when he left her. (And, by the way, have we totally discarded the idea of making it seem like Padme's still alive at the end?) So he's plotting and scheming the whole time--in the Sith fashion. Now, Vader doesn't know when she's going to be buried, but in the film, Palpatine basically said, "Weeeell, I don't exactly know how to bring people to life, but if you and I put our heads together, we'll figure it out!" So in the film, I guess Vader just loses hope in the whole thing. But if Palps brings him back to life, and Anakin knows about it, then he'll know that it's still possible to bring her back if they hurry, which would make it so we would need more dialogue with Palpatine B.S.ing his way out of it. Either way, you're kind of pushing it, but at least there's kind of an explanation in there if he doesn't die. So, it seems the easiest way to solve this is to go with C3PX's variation where Anakin is alive, but he seems dead to Obi-Wan and the audience. However, if we can find a way to do your version, I'm all for it.
C3PX, as far as filling out the end, we can at least have the Dagobah arrival. It's not much, but it's more there. On the other hand, I'm wondering what the effect would be, after seeing that scene in the movie, once you get to ESB.
I'm neutral to the Dagobah scene. It's not bad, but it just doesn't do that much for me. Yoda's identity in ESB won't be a secret to the viewer, so the arrival scene doesn't break anything.
True. Really, the Qui-Gon dialogue would be the biggest part of the scene.
And that brings me to another thought--do we want to have the Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda stuff, a la ADM? I thought that was pretty cool, and the dialogue during the spinning shot addresses Yoda's guilt over the situation effectively.
I think the Qui Gon dialog is a must have, but IMHO I haven't seen an edit that pulled it off right yet.
In dialogue selection, audio quality/mixing, or both? I thought ADM's dialogue was pretty good, but the voice could've been a bit quieter. It stood out just a bit.
So, basically the flow would be birth/masking sequence, Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about Qui-Gon, Yoda goes to Dagobah, funeral, Tatooine, and credits?
Pretty much. Except I might move Padme's funeral before Yoda's arrival.
Okay, cool.
And I vote (again) for episode III. I think it will be more satisfying than Episode I. Episode I is a tough one, and I'd prefer to check out lth's Episode I edit before thinking more about it.
ROTJ has a lot of room for improvement. But I think we should handle the prequels first.
I wonder if we can get Adywan to insert the Starkiller Ranch logo at the beginning of his Episode IV.
As I read the reasonings, as well as getting in the ROTS discussions, I'm thinking that, yeah, it would be a good idea to start there. And, yes, the prequels should definitely be finished first.
And, I think the dubbings will really help Episode I. As I watched ADM's edit of Episode I recently, I was surprised at how, although certainly not on the same level as the OT or anything like that, I was actually enjoying it. There's some charm there, definitely. Part of it may have been my enjoyment in seeing a PT movie shot on film, but...